Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: So, friends, just a. Just a brief one this week, you know, just a little. Just a little one this week with whatever's on our minds and the places that your mind goes. Right. Just in. In context.
In context.
I am. I am finding that my thoughts tend. Are tending to skew towards the blue and gray at the minute, towards the negative, towards the kind of. I am. I am finding that I'm, I'm. My thoughts are resting a lot on what I think as an unknot that can't be untied with humanity. Right.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:00:41] Speaker A: And I know I, you know, this, this isn't the first time you would have gone down this conversational pathway with me, but I feel that at least Western society, at least capitalist society is. Is irrevocably fucked. Irrevocably tied. Cannot be it, cannot it. We can't extricate ourselves. We've gone too far down the pathway of self.
Kind of self caused extinction. Right, sure. It's. It's now inevitable. I feel it's now inevitable. Right, Right.
So that, that's kind of the frame of mind I'm in lately. Very preoccupied in, in that kind of.
In that kind of realm. Right?
[00:01:26] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:01:28] Speaker A: So tangentially related, you know how, you know how. Imagine if you were in hospital, right.
And the nurse wanted you to indicate to them how bad your pain was.
How would they ask you? How would you be asked to do that?
[00:01:54] Speaker B: Either point at the face on the wall that's most like you or a.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: Scale of 1 to 10, exactly this. You'd point to the sad face or the happy face or somewhere in between. Measure how bad your pain is. Show me how bad your pain is. Point to it.
We've got our good friend Dr. Schmidt, who dedicated his life to getting stung.
It hurt, right.
I wonder, is it possible to do the same? Or have there ever been any attempts or any rational kind of scientific way to gauge and measure.
Is there a maximum emotion that someone can feel? Is there a max level of joy that you can possibly feel?
Is there a max level of grief that you can possibly feel? Or max level of.
You know, let's take, I imagine, just.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Can I say for a real. For a second, this is a thing that I always think of when parents love to always say, you will never understand love until you've had a child. Right?
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: You've never, you'll never feel love like having a child. Right. And that always, to me, like, is a weird thing. So I'm like, what is. Like, how can there be like a secret level Right. That is somehow beyond anything the rest of us have. Right. And. And that makes me think of this idea of, like, is there like a peak, you know, level of emotion, a level of love, whatever you can have?
[00:03:38] Speaker A: That's what I mean.
Did you see the balloons?
[00:03:41] Speaker B: No.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: That's what.
That's what I'm struggling with. Right. Let's say, for example, some, you know, some. Some creepy bastard were to kidnap you and to bind you to a chair in a room. Right?
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:57] Speaker A: And in front of you, they were to march your dog and Kyo and everybody you love. Right.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: You just have to, like, go with, like, the worst possible.
Just.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: Just trust me. Trust me.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: Sure. Okay.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: And one by one, they were to execute all your loved ones before your eyes.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: Would. Would your grief rise each time, you know, depending on. On your. Your. Your. Your. The level of your love for each one.
Is there a peak by. After which you can't feel any more of a particular feeling?
[00:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah. This is also kind of funny that you put it that way too, because I was just talking with someone about.
They. Their dog died, like, in May, I think.
And, you know, so he was kind of talking through, like, the grief of that whole thing. And, you know, I said to him, I was like. Like, I kid you not. Like, when Gaucho died, like, I sobbed harder than I have ever sobbed, like, in my entire life. And I was like, and my dad is dead, you know, like. And he was like, oh, same. He's like, my dad died three years ago, and I cried harder about the dog. Realistically, you know, like, the idea of these, like, levels of these things.
I don't know, am I sadder about my dog than my father?
[00:05:20] Speaker A: That's what I'm grasping.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: Determined by something else.
[00:05:23] Speaker A: And by the, you know, on. On the same token, is there.
Is there a manner in which you could be so personally fulfilled, physically sated with all of your needs and loves and ambitions met so perfectly that you reach no more joy that you can.
And if. If there is. Has anyone ever fucking felt that?
[00:05:54] Speaker B: Well, and see, you are really hitting on things that I do think about a lot, actually, because, you know, I often think, like, in my current state, right. Like, I can't think of, like, ways to make my life better per se, aside from world things. Right. You know, like, that is very bad. But I often think, like, you know, I'm sitting on my porch and it's raining, and I'm reading a book, and my dog is curled up next to me, and then, you know, Keo comes out we watch some bears on a live stream and then, you know, I get on here and I talk to you and I go and I visit my friends and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't. You know, I could have more money. I guess I could, you know, not have work, but I don't think that would help because there's a balance. Like, if you, if there's nothing negative at all, it feels like then things feel stagnant. I don't know. Like, that you have to have some sort of grounds for comparison. But I. I just think this all the time of, like, I don't know how I could be happier.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: Than I am, you know?
[00:07:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: But what is, what would that feel like?
[00:07:06] Speaker A: But at the same time, you. You couldn't, with a straight face, claim to have reached the zenith of human physical happiness and pleasure. Your existence. There's. There's gotta be something just because you don't know it.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: Well, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. But like, we have.
I don't know, I feel like there's like almost like emotional orgasm. Right? Like, you go through, like, there are moments in your life where something is incredible. Right? Like, think, like, how happy we were when we met for the first time, you know? But like, if we.
Every interaction that we had with each other was at that level, like, ridiculous like that. Like. Yeah, like the guy who, like, has that disorder where he, like, orgasms all the time. Like, he's not. Like, I am having the best time every moment.
Yeah. It's like after a while. This sucks, dude. Like, this is too much stimulation.
So I don't know. There's a part of me that thinks that, like, maybe there's like a.
There's a. Like you have peaks that, like, your chemicals can do. Right? Like, and you hit those at certain times and then there's a contentedness that you can plateau. Yeah, it's.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: It's. It's that first part that I'm more. That I'm really, really interested in as I speak to you here and now.
And the, the smiley to happy, the sad to happy face scale has never really sat well with me. I don't really.
Because pain is subjective, surely. No, no. Surely people don't experience pain in the same way one person's.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: Someone with Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Yeah, well, yeah, quite.
[00:08:49] Speaker A: But I'd love, I'd love to know. And had I had, I had this. Had I had this thought earlier in the week, I would have come with a little bit more prep but this was literally as I was walking to the shop earlier. I'd love to know if there have been any studies, attempts to find the furthest possible reaches of emotional experience.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: I mean, you know, individuals do this. Like, there are plenty of people. And even, you know, at times, I think you're one of them. Right. Like, one of the things you always say is, like, you love sensations and that, like, whether it's a good one or a bad one. Like, there have been times, like, you've come back from vacation with, like, welts, from bug bites and sunburn like I have never seen before. And you're like, no, I love it. I'm like, why don't you wear sunscreen? And you're like, no, this is. This is feeling, you know, because it.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Was fascinating to me, the particular time you're talking about. I have never known an itching and a burning and a pain that was almost.
It transcended.
It was not of my body. It was incredible. I couldn't reach far enough. I couldn't scratch deep enough to touch it. It was incredible. And it was the most uncomfortable I can ever remember being, but it was remarkable.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: It was of real.
It was of some substance, this sensation.
Yeah.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: I think there's always people who are trying to do that, figure out, like, what's the most pain you can experience, what's the most pleasure that you can experience, and reach for those extremes. It would be interesting to know if they're like, can you make an objective measure of that? And if so, what would it be? Would it be chemicals? Like, would it be brain activity?
[00:10:45] Speaker A: Like, what would be the kind of the tangle I got myself in a couple of years back. That. That was absolutely an attempt, a sustained attempt at trying to fucking dial up.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:58] Speaker A: To try and break through to something new, you know what I mean? To try and discover something. Another musical note or color.
But I'd love to know, have there been any fringe science attempts at quantifying and classifying and replicating the very edges of our emotional capacity? There you go. That's what I'm fucking reaching out.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Is there such a thing as the fucking. The scientific feeling.
[00:11:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: The absolute zero of human emotion. Does that exist?
[00:11:37] Speaker B: Right.
Because. And it's. It's fascinating me too, too, because you think about people with the. Like, the absence of it is often a thing that we can look at. Right. So people like, we've talked about and, like, in a book that I read that we'll talk about, but people who don't feel fear.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: Right. People who can't feel pain. Yeah, of course, you know, like, we can to an extent, like, quantify that. We can look at brain activity. We can, you know, try to understand what that is. We can understand a lack. But what does it mean to reach the peak of any. Of anything and, and to kind of what you were saying, like, is it subjective or is there like an objective, most joyful it is possible to be, or most in pain it is possible.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: To be that, you know, a. If you were to take the mean, just the absolute control level, middle level of a human being.
Is there a maximum joy or a maximum pleasure or a maximum anger or grief that can physically be experienced?
You know, if every possible perfect circumstance is met?
What is the fucking tip of the dial emotionally? What is the absolute peak of. Of a particular feeling? And has. Has it ever been reached? Has it ever been felt?
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I imagine you have to be a certain kind of person to be able to even reach that. Right. Like, you can get. There are people who are depressed and can reach the lowest of lows and people who are, you know, monk like, and can reach a perfect, you know, contentness. And there's people who are always up here, you know, a bipolar person or something who can, like when.
When like, my brothers are in like, a mania or like, going to see Richard Dreyfus, when he kind of talked about, like, you know, oh, you know, I don't. I don't medicate my bipolar because there's like nothing better than this. I'm Superman. I'm, you know, all these. Like that. That is like a, you know, I'm a joyful person.
You know, me, like, I. You often point out my optimism and, you know, sunny disposition or whatever, but, like, I will never know what it feels like to be my brothers or Richard Dreyfus off their meds, you know, like, that's a whole other kind of thing that I could never reach.
I don't know. Yeah. How you.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: How you.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: Yes, like that.
And that's. That's the big question. That's what's fascinating me. How would you. How would you even begin to try to clin clean out to. To. To approach that from a clinical?
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah. My guess is that probably, like, Nazis have tried to figure out the pain one. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you are.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: Oh, and hellraiser. That's what this is about, right?
[00:14:35] Speaker B: Like, ultimately, that's what this comes down to. If you're listening and you're like, oh, yeah, no, I heard about a thing that they.
That they did Someone studied this or whatever. We would love to hear it, post it.
You know, Facebook, of course. Discord hopping more and more. Lots of good stuff in there. So, you know.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. I'm you. You will note that I am trying to be more Discord. I am showing up there a little more these days.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I often during the day just text Mark, like, Discord.
Look at Discord.
Because there's stuff that like, I know you're interested in, but like, you would just never open that app if I didn't tell you.
More and more people are using it.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Movies that I can think of. I'm just going back to our main topic. Sorry, I know you've moved us on, but I think Martyrs, the French horror film Martyrs is about this topic.
That at the very brink, at the very edge of human pain, is the connection with the divine.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I think the French are really into that kind of thing.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: Now who's a racist?
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Everyone knows that I am an anti French racist. This is not news, Corrigan.
Oh, wow.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Really talked about this. We have a big fan base in. In France.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Say this.
We're not extreme enough for France.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: Yeah, Martyrs is certainly about that. Hellraiser. Of course, I'm. I'm reminded of Egon's experiments with puppies in Ghostbusters 2. He. He releases a puppy into a little girl room and measures the joy and gives it to the slime.
Monsters Inc. Monsters, of course, Monsters Inc.
Capitalism built on screams. That's fucking fascinating, isn't it?
[00:16:22] Speaker B: Right?
That movie, it just gets more and more relevant, man. Listen, watching that now, like 20 years later or whatever, I'm like, yeah, 25.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: Years on the literal screams of children. I love it. I fucking love it.
Wasn't I. I also. I'm a big Monsters University enjoyer also.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: I've only seen that once in the theater, so I like. Memory of it is hazy.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: It is very good. But I'll have to go back to it. What it does to the timeline. Retcons a piece of storyline which I didn't enjoy, but that's fine.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Okay, well, I'll have to go back to it and. And give it a look, but Monsters Inc. As it is is pretty perfect.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: Yep. No arguments there.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: I gave away.
I gave away a great set of. I managed to get. I can't even remember where I found these. Oh, it was Walmart in Hilo, Hawaii that I found like Sully costumes. Essentially they were like pajamas, but they were Sully patterned.
And then I found elsewhere like a Sully like dog costume. And so we had, like, one year where we took, like, a Christmas photo of me and Keo and Gaucho all in, like, sully gear, and I was, like, pretty proud of that. And then last year, I gave it away for someone else to use, and people were stoked. It's like I posted it up on the community gifting. They were like, what?
[00:17:58] Speaker A: Please don't take this as a. As a. You know, as a jab. But put it like this. It would not shock me in the least if you were to post photos to your socials of you haven't put your dog in a costume. That seems like something you would do.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: Oh, yes, very much so. Oh, man. We. I gave away, like, six months ago, a dog bag, you know, to carry the dog around in. Just full of costumes that we accumulated. Accumulated for Coucho over the years. Yes. I think we kept his cowboy one or his pirate. We kept.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: But yeah, I know.
I know several other people with social media accounts for their dogs. Right.
And of all of them, you are the only one that I tolerate.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: You don't follow it, but you tolerate it. So I'll just say that it's because I. I don't do the thing that you. You don't like of talking as the dog.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: No, I hate that. Yeah.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: I find that weird and confusing. It's super confusing to me. Like, someone did this the other day. There was. I was watching a video on Instagram of some dog things. That's like 90% of my suggested reels on Instagram.
And in the, like, the comments, like, people were like, oh, my dog does this too. My dog does this too. And then someone was like, that's me. And I was like, what? And then I realized it was a dog account. It's like, that's a real weird thing for a person to do. What's going on here?
You don't need to stay in character as your dog. Like, we know it's not a dog. Instagramming.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just another footnote, isn't it? In all of the things that are wrong.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: But it is. It's impossible not to, like, talk as your dog at home, though. Like, that is you have to have conversations with your pet, and the dog, you know, has kind of the, you know, a deep, dumb voice that he gives back to us. A little sarcastic, you know, But I don't take it out of the house.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Would you maybe give us a little bit of that voice? How does Gaucho sound?
[00:20:08] Speaker B: This is Walter.
[00:20:10] Speaker A: Oh, of course not.
[00:20:10] Speaker B: Gaucho. Gaucho Sounded like Donald Trump. That was. That was his voice.
Walter.
Walter is.
I'm trying to think of, like, you know, something that I would have a conversation with him. Like, usually it's just something.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: Hello, Walter. What did you have for dinner?
[00:20:31] Speaker B: None of your business. You know what I eat.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: I'm.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: To.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Garfield esque, perhaps.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's got. He's like a little like, meh, you know. Fuck off.
S. Walters.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Love that.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: What else. What else is going on, Mark?
[00:20:52] Speaker A: Oh, not much. So look, I think I.
I'm. I'm me, man. Am I reading? I'm reading.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: Yeah, reading a lot of.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: A lot of books. A lot of books.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Tis the season if.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it is, isn't it? It is.
I. This. It was a long summer. I felt as though that summer took a long time on the way out the door.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: Yeah, listen, it was 80 degrees till yesterday, so I am still.
[00:21:22] Speaker A: It's still. It's still warm. It's still short weather here, but that does bring with it longer evenings. And because I am a creature of routine in 2025, you know, I'm a man who needs his fucking routines and the stability they provide. The nighttime routine is half an hour. News book, bed. News book, bed. Nbb, Right.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: And I've been. Yeah, I've been getting through a lot. One of which, the last one, I believe, was an old book club book, Maeve Fly. Did that make it through the Joag Book club?
[00:22:00] Speaker B: It did, yes. I was telling you that this one caused someone to immediately. Nope. Out of the book club was their first time in. They're like, no, absolutely not.
Yeah.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: It did massively land for me. I described it to Ryan as having big kind of first novel energy. It was. It was. It's the work of somebody. Oh, look, I can write anything I like.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. There's a lot I like about that book and then a lot I really don't, but enough that she's got. I think CJ Lead is her name. And she's got another book called American Rapture that just came out or it just came out in paperback. I'm just waiting for her to sign it at Gibson's and then it'll come to me. But wonderful. That was. The thing is, like, at the end of that, I was like, don't like where she went with this. But I like her enough that I will for sure keep reading.
[00:22:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep, yep. Listen, hey, nothing against her personally. I spoke last week, I think, about how much I love Devolution, and I'm currently on in the early stages of a book called this Wretched Valley. Another first novel.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: Just I think that's sitting here on my.
No, it's not on my desk right.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Now, but I do have that one really promising start.
Super mysterious.
[00:23:20] Speaker B: What's another book club book?
[00:23:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
If it weren't for the time bound nature of the book club, I feel as though I'd really enjoy it. But I got.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: If it weren't at midnight ear time.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: Yes, you could join in, but. Excellent. So that's Jenny Keefer, right? This Wretched Valley.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: I'm looking at it right now. Yes.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: Which I think also has a first bookiness to it as well and is someone that I'm like. I will.
I'll keep looking out for all of.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: My Christmas list so far is books.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: Next up because I. Because I. I made a solemn promise. I am starting the Expanse.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Yeah. The trade off is Marco is reading the Expanse and Richard, our dear pal Richard is watching Fringe.
Yes.
So that's a. It's a fun little, fun little friend trade off. I love this. I like that it's happening.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I do. I think it's a very, very productive and a very wholesome thing to do.
[00:24:21] Speaker B: Yes, exactly.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: I would, I would also love.
Because you and I. You and I have got TV Club on the go now.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Yes, we do. Yes, we do have TV Club because.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: You know, I'm way behind on movies and movies are tough because they're long.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: Well, and you've, you've kind of committed to an earlier bedtime.
So, you know, that makes it.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: And it's working out for me. It is working.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's working. So it's like it does make watching movies a little harder because, you know, you have children who are not like kids anymore, so, like they're awake longer.
[00:24:53] Speaker A: This is something else that occurred to me earlier today.
Five years is a long time.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: It is. Yeah.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: Isn't it? Not like cosmically, but sure.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: Not in the grand arc of time.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: You know, not a galactic level, but for two people on opposite sides of the planet doing a podcast, five years is a long time. A lot of things change.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: And lives have to evolve. Lives have to. Have to. You know, it, it takes effort to keep something going like this in the face of an evolving lifestyle and an evolving, you know, landscape of well being and, and routine.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely.
[00:25:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Yeah. We make it work, you know, but things are definitely, you know, when you had kids that were in bed by 6:30, certainly different than, you know, having a teenager and one almost there, but we find ways. And, yeah, the new schedule, but so we kind of shifted from movies to TV club, which we'll talk about in a sec. But I do want to mention I just finished from what you have called the rye brary books that we have gotten from Ryan.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: It's so good being good friends with a bookseller. I love it.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: It's the best.
And so I just finished Victorian Psycho, which she recommended on our. Not in the most recent thing that she did with the Halloween creepy reads, but the last time that she was on jog, she recommended Victorian Psycho, which is about a psychotic governess who kills her charges.
And it was awesome. It's only like 190 pages, so like a very quick read. Like Three Nights of Porch reading, you know, before bed. I've been kind of. My thing is like, I play Hades for an hour and then I read. That's my version of your news book, bed Thing.
And it's. It's disgusting. It's so gross. The violence, the descriptions of, you know, smells and things of that sort.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: And we really are seeing the children of American Psycho growing up now, aren't we?
[00:27:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I suppose so.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: It's a huge influence on Maeve Fly as well that we just spoke about.
[00:27:11] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Yeah. And to be clear, this one, I mean, what this has sort of in common with American Psycho is like a bit of the. Like never quite knowing what's in the.
I don't want to even say protagonist who's not really a good guy, but your main character's head, you know, like, is it. Is she imagining things? Where's the line between what's real and what's not happening here?
And the.
The book also, while not being written as like a horror comedy, is very funny. The point where, like, there's multiple lines in it where I just straight laughed out loud, like, she's just got this really wry wit, this dry way of saying things, you know, that made me laugh really hard.
And. Yeah, so it's like a really good, quick read. It goes hard if you, like, can't read things where children are murdered. You know, if you're sensitive to that kind of thing, don't read it because there is no sparing of kids, babies, anyone in this.
But yeah, if you. If you can stomach that kind of thing, it goes real hard, real fast. And I recommend Victorian Psycho. It was a fun read.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: It was. I went to see Brett Easton Ellis last year.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Recently, huh?
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At one of the buildings in Oxford Uni he was there publicizing the shards, which I got signed, and I've never read yet. I will.
And he spoke at length on, you know, the enduring influence American Psycho has and continues to have.
And he, he just seemed very bemused by it all and just enjoyed the, the income that it brought him. You know, just cash the check.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, he's become kind of like an old codger, hasn't he? Like, he's a little bit of a.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: Very much.
[00:29:10] Speaker B: A little bit of an.
[00:29:11] Speaker A: Yes.
Not, Certainly not someone who you would enjoy voluntarily spending a lot of time around, I get the impression.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: Right, yeah, yeah, that sounds about right.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: And yeah, the more I think of it, somebody who, in person, hearing him speak, seemed, you know, you know the old saying that if everybody is the twat, it's probably you. You know what I mean?
[00:29:39] Speaker B: Right. Wait.
[00:29:39] Speaker A: Or if everybody you come up against is a wanker.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. Yeah.
[00:29:45] Speaker A: I, I, he bemoaned all of the projects that, that had never quite taken flight, and the issues that he'd had with all of the projects were made from his work.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: And maybe you're the common denominator here. Yeah.
But anyway, TV Club.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: Before that, before that, if I. Oh, sorry, yeah, no, TV Club. Let's finish your thought, Mark. TV Club.
I would love us to get to Fringe.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: Yes. That was my, like, initial suggestion. I was like, you know, you're going to bed earlier. We're probably not going to have time for a ton of movies and stuff like that. Maybe we do tv. Maybe Fringe. Because I've actually never seen it. I think I've seen the first episode and, like, bits of it, you know, that were on at the time, but I've never actually, like, watched this show, so.
Yeah, that seems like a good one for TV Club.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: It is a fucking journey.
And I use that term a lot to describe kind of big works that are way deeper than they might appear. Sure. Right. So Richard said the same thing, and lots of other people I know I've heard say the same thing, that they kind of tapped out after the first kind of half a season because it seems, you know, it's a, it's, it's quite tough to get a, get an angle on.
It's it at first glance, it is very derivative of X Files.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. Which for me is not necessarily a bad thing because I love a Monster of the Week. You know, I'm always craving for a show that will just give me a Monster of the Week.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: But even in the last five years. Right.
So much marquee entertainment, you know, has had, like, multiverse themes and alternate realities and quantum this and, you know, AI that.
Fringe did it all decades ago, like, and just nobody noticed. Right. I.
There is nothing new under the sun that Fringe didn't do. First.
[00:31:59] Speaker B: It's like, you know, one of those things where it's like, it's your favorite showrunner's favorite show. Right. Like, well, you may not have watched it, but I bet the person who's making the thing you, like, watched it.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Well put.
You don't. Yeah, the. The mcu, Rick and Morty, Doctor who. Right. You know, Fringe.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah. All these people watched it. Yeah.
[00:32:20] Speaker A: Nobody even knew.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: So I want to get to that for sure. But before we get to that, we made a different decision.
Oh.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: Oh, God. Oh, no.
[00:32:35] Speaker B: Oh, no. Oh, no. Did we make a poor choice?
[00:32:42] Speaker A: No.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: We. We've been watching Monster.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: Oh, God.
[00:32:50] Speaker B: World's Greatest Lover, Ed Gein.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: Oh, I can't. Charlie Hunnam, you are. You will never work in this town again, mate. You are fucking dead to me. Get the. Off my set. Charlie Hunnam.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: What in the world? I. After the. The watching the first. Actually, I think it was like 10 minutes into watching the first one, I actually went and like, YouTubed Ed Gein's voice just because I was like, I don't remember him sounding like this. And he does not sound like Winnie the Pooh. It's not. It's simply not how Ed Keen sounds sounded. And I don't know why this. I mean, this is like near the bottom of the problems with this show, I guess. But why.
Why did Charlie Hunnam do this?
[00:33:39] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. This show is the absolute rat.
Rat ass, bottom of the barrel. It is terrible.
Which, you know, such a shame. Such a. Such a shame. Because look, say what you will about Dharma, I enjoyed the out of it, right. I thought Dharma was great.
[00:33:58] Speaker B: And even the Menendez brothers one like, it had its issues, but it, you.
[00:34:03] Speaker A: Know, it told the story that happened on exactly this. Exactly this. What. What got to the screen was great.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: Right?
[00:34:11] Speaker A: Okay, now way to begin. Firstly, I think the choice of subject is lazy as.
So there are. There are so many more interesting air quotes monsters right. To. To that you could probably get eight episodes out of and. And not, you know, shoot your shot by episode two and then have to around for six hours. Yeah.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: I mean, for. If you've, you know, watched or listened or read anything about Ed Gein. The thing about Ed Gein is he isn't that Interesting. Nope, it's just a dullard. You know, like, there's a reason that it was like he. They were like, this guy is too stupid to even put on trial. You know, it's simple to know is.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: That I don't think you're supposed to.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: Say any of these things. I. But like, I don't know. I mean, this is the thing about something that happened so long ago is that I don't know what his like, diagnosis was or anything like that. Like, yeah, like, they probably just called him an idiot or a. Or something like that because that what they put you in the mental institution for. But this was not a like super interesting guy by any stretch of the imagination. He just did stuff that like, we can't imagine.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: Just off the top of my head. Just off the fucking top of my head. I would. You could get a fantastic eight episode dramatization out of Dr. Harold Shipman. That would.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: Sure, yeah, yeah. I mean that. I feel like Ryan Murphy would never do that because most Americans don't know who Harold Shipman is. But come on. Like, as like the idea of this like, underhanded physician, like, parading around as a guy. Everyone out of this. Yeah. And then like just going and killing all these people.
Like, that's a. There's a story. Like double lives are a good story.
Yes.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: So good. So good. So good. And with lots of verifiable fucking fact that you could layer in there.
Just huge cultural cache, huge cultural impact. Living people who live to tell the story. Not. Not fucking simple Ed. Right, right. And there's.
[00:36:32] Speaker B: There's.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: I. I think I'm right in saying no capital E evidence of Ed Gein leaning remotely into transgender.
No identity, cross dressing. I don't believe any of that actually exists. And yet it is a.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: It feels like this show, like part of this show, if you haven't watched it, is that it sort of brings in the things that were influenced by Ed Gein. So Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Psycho and I'm sure Silence of the Lambs will come into it and things like that. But what it feels like it did, they do. And what it feels like they did is they reversed that and made him. They based him off of the things that had been based on him.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: Is it exactly. That is exactly it. They've got it all ass backwards and put the carpet for the horse.
It was always my understanding that the grave robbing and, you know, the furniture and the murder. Yeah, sure. But the gender fluidity was always a layer on top of that, which the fiction Added. Right.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And that just kind of expanded as things, you know, as it got more and more of a thing in pop culture. It's like playing telephone.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: Exactly this.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
And so it's this weird show where it's. There's just no basis in reality at all. He plays this guy who's like extremely like he's dim, but he's extremely likable. And. And he's the most charming guy in town. Like every person, everyone who meets him, everyone loves him.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: As you light up a room, you're the brightest star in the sky as. Yeah.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: Everyone wants to have sex with him. Like you know, he's completely irresistible.
He's. Yeah. Ripped to like this version of him. He's like, he knows how to like flirt. He's you know, really quick witted.
Like what?
What? And then it like creates all of these characters that like were not weight a part of this story.
[00:38:47] Speaker A: Proposals of marriage.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Right.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: You know, whilst moments ago watching him eat pork and beans out of a skull.
Oh, I had your place. Needs a woman's touch, you know.
[00:39:01] Speaker B: Are you serious?
[00:39:02] Speaker A: Scooping wieners out of.
[00:39:03] Speaker B: It's like, like he's not rich. You know. Why, why would someone come into some nasty ass house and be like, well I'm just gonna clean this up and I hope he proposes. Like no, you'd be like, oh no, I'm getting the hell out of here. Especially because at this point in history people were not nice. They weren't like humoring like people who were developmentally disabled. They. He would like, you'd be the town creep. You know, for sure.
This guy would not be like, everyone's like, oh Ed, you're so cute and sweet. Like I just want to take care of you.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: Can't remember the name of the movie that I watched quite recently.
That was the other famous Ed Gein movie in which he absolutely was, you know, depicted as like a weirdo. Exactly. This creepy ass smelling like bodies shut in, living with his mum's corpse.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Like if you think about this from like a. The kind of person who both is like severely in some way like developmentally disabled or held back, you know, they're slow, that kind of thing. And then also we're doing all this stuff like this isn't someone who is like going to integrate into society? Like no, this has him. This is one of the things that always bothers me in stuff in general where the person is a good actor. Like the character is a good actor, not the person playing them. So like if someone comes to the door and he's trying to mislead them about what's happening inside the house.
Like he is a good actor so he can trick the cops or the whoever else comes to the door because he's covering so well. Where like the real guy would have been like not now.
You know, like he wouldn't have been like, oh, here's my very detailed excuse that is very convincing because I'm the most charming guy who has ever lived. Like that's not who this guy was.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: Yes. The movie I was stumbling for there was deranged from 1974, which just feels a lot closer to the edge that I feel.
We aren't being shown here unless this show is going to pull a fight club on us.
[00:41:39] Speaker B: Right. Well. And that's what I keep saying is I'm like, I don't like it has to be happening in his head, all of this stuff. But it has given no indication of that.
[00:41:52] Speaker A: People are falling over themselves to love Ed Gein. Everyone thinks they can fix Ed Gein.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:58] Speaker A: And it doesn't ring in the least bit true.
And then on top of that, it's so fucking. It's obvious the screenplay must have been. Was written in crayon.
[00:42:11] Speaker B: You know what I mean?
[00:42:12] Speaker A: It is so broad.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: But then, right, in episode four, it blindsides me with the most interesting and lovable and charming 8 minutes of TV I've seen all year.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: This worked for you a lot better than it did for me.
[00:42:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
What the. The monster. The Ed Gein story. Right. It's saving Grace. Is it almost sneaks in little mini biopics of the behind the scenes, the making of the movies that Ed Gein went on to inspire. Right. And we've seen Psycho so far. We've had Tom Hollander doing a pretty bang up job as Alfred Hitchcock. I thought, I thought he was funny. He was fine.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: The entire time I was like that just sounds like Tom Hollander. That does not sound like Hitchcock and that.
[00:43:11] Speaker A: But I find Tom Holland a very.
[00:43:12] Speaker B: Likable fat was like so distracting.
[00:43:16] Speaker A: Like his fake jello did, you know?
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Oh man.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: I quite like what he did.
But any episode 4 big silly to me. They do Texas.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: They do Texas. Yes.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: And I know I didn't want it to stop, man.
I wanted the ratios to be completely flipped and I wanted 40 minutes of fucking stoner wide eyed, frothing at the mouth. Iconoclastic fucking knucklehead Tobe Hooper with his group of idiots making the most fucking horrible, searing, smelly film that has ever been committed celluloid in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Even. Even as broad and as stupid as the script is, you've seen Oliver Stone's the Doors. Yeah.
[00:44:03] Speaker B: In high school. So it has been a very long time.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: They do a similar thing, right, where they're all at a beach house and they're. They're trying to write a song and Ray Manzaret goes, hey, guys, I got it. And just spits out Light My Fire.
They do exactly the same thing in this episode where he goes, no, it's. It's the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It's not. It's not head cheese. It's. You know what I mean?
You should be the Fellowship of the Ring. It's that moment.
[00:44:35] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: But this is why this whole thing.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I think you were, like, just so sold on, like, seeing this thing and the thing that I've said, you know, I can't remember if it was before we started recording or while we were recording, but that I think all biopics are bad, with the exception of ones that, like, don't actually try to, like, be a biopic. Like the Robbie Williams one, the monkey one, or, like, the Elton John one, where it's, like, all magical realism or whatever. Like, you get a pass because you are not. You don't exist in my world. But whenever you see ones like this, like. Like that Toby Hooper in this, just, like, real, like, just talking at you with, like, a fully formed idea of all these, like, things he wants to say about sighting culture and it shall be called Texas Chainsaw, like, I was like, oh, fuck off. This is not how people are. Like, I hate.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: I know.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: I know the biopic, like, version of people, which is why irritates me.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: I. That was a byproduct of them just trying to squeeze that into eight minutes.
[00:45:42] Speaker B: Exactly.
I agree that it could.
[00:45:44] Speaker A: I want eight episodes of that.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: Well, and that's like. With the psycho one, it dragged a lot further out and. But was really confusing because it had this whole, like, subplot about Anthony Perkins and conversion.
[00:46:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:02] Speaker B: That I'd watch a show about that, to be honest. Like, I would love to watch, you know, something about, you know, the making of that and about, like, Hollywood and Anthony Perkins place in it as a gay man or a bisexual man and things like that. But what it instead does is somehow seem to equate this is gayness.
[00:46:25] Speaker A: Very clumsy. Very clumsy.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: Very clumsy. It equates his gayness with the monstrousness of Ed Gein.
[00:46:31] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:46:32] Speaker B: And it is.
I know that's not what it wants to say it's made by a gay man, but it doesn't say anything else.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: Yes, it's, It's.
It knows that it wants to include these themes.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: But it has no idea of which thread to pull on. It doesn't have an end. An end point. It's just pointing at stuff going.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: You remember Psycho? Like, and that's kind of my thing with, you know, I. I was like, maybe what it's trying to do when you were like, you are giving this too much credit.
That my thought process was like, I think you could do something interesting with the idea that Ed Gein has been reified in pop culture so many times that there is no Ed Gein anymore.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: We don't. We don't know where he ends.
[00:47:31] Speaker B: Right. Like, and if that were more of an explicit theme of this, because like I said, it feels like they worked backwards. Like, they took Buffalo Bill and they made that.
You know, they patterned this Ed Gein after him. Right. Instead of the other way around.
And if it were commenting more overtly on the idea of, like, we create a. We take these serial killers who did these terrible things or whatever, and then we create something else out of them that makes them larger than life. When, like, this was just some, like, you know, this guy who was barely there who did some horrible things and could barely be held accountable for it because, you know, he was not mentally able to, like, I think that could be an interesting story. That's just not what it's doing for sure.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: But that story, even if that were the story we're telling, I hate. I even hate the fucking. The title Monster. It is reductive and it adds nothing at all. That is not the tale that you can tell in something called Monster, for fuck's sake. But I think you've hit the nail on the head with the confusion that it has worked backwards from the fiction to the point where, you know, the Ed. Centric portions of each episode overtly feature the trademarks from the works of fiction inspired, you know, shouting mother at his dead mother in the chair, doing the Buffalo Bill tuck back dance. You know what I mean? You know the one.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: You know the one.
[00:49:07] Speaker A: He does the Ed Gein does the fucking Leatherface chainsaw fucking swirl around thing. But it's. Yeah, it's. It's showing us and a wholly incompatible view of. Of what actually happened there. No way. No way are these a depiction of events as they occurred.
And it's. It's galling that it would claim to be. I hope it's got an ace up its sleeve. Because otherwise, from, from right now after episode four. This is a horrific piece of shit.
And I really hope that it has some redemption and waiting.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah. That we probably, I don't know if either one of us would finish if we weren't TV clubbing it, but I'm willing to stick it out with you.
But it is, I mean, I cannot think of.
And the Voice, I don't know what they're gonna do with four more episodes of this.
[00:49:59] Speaker A: No clue.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: And the Voice, every time he talks, it surprises me. It's like, have you ever seen Captain Eo?
[00:50:06] Speaker A: I don't think so, no.
[00:50:08] Speaker B: So it's this, it was an attraction at Disneyland made by, I think it was joint George Lucas and Francis Ford Coppola who made this. And Michael Jackson stars in it and he plays like this legendary space captain named Captain Eo. And it's got like his band of little muppets with him and all that stuff. And Angelica Houston's in it as the villain, this like long fingered scary woman, all this stuff. But when it starts, it's like so epic in the beginning of it and you see, like he's this big spaceship and all this. And then Michael Jackson rises from the center of this thing and then he turns around and he speaks for the first time and you remember it's Michael Jackson.
[00:50:59] Speaker A: Yes, yes.
[00:51:00] Speaker B: Like, oh, okay. And then the rest of this movie, you listen to him being like hooter and things like that throughout it and you're like, yeah, okay. And that's what Ed Gein is like. The, every time he speaks, I'm like, oh, that's right. That's what he sounds like.
[00:51:18] Speaker A: Is he, is he going for an award?
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Oh, definitely.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: Is that what this is? Is he baiting, Is he looking for some kind of recognition for the bit like Tom Hardy.
[00:51:31] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Look how hard I went with this.
[00:51:34] Speaker A: And I. Look, listeners, you know me, I, I want to do the voice. I want to try it. I want to do it, but I, I can't. I, I, it's so bad. It is such a bad fucking performative choice by, by this guy to do, to do that fucking voice for that entire show. It's terrible.
[00:51:58] Speaker B: I just feel like at some point he had to have regretted this choice, you know, like there had to be a moment where he watched the dailies or something and he was just like, well, like, honestly, if I had made this show and watched this back afterwards, this would have been adr Like, I'm sorry, we are bringing him Somebody else in.
[00:52:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:23] Speaker B: And we are going to. I've got a completely different vocals. Yeah. There's just. This is. You cannot have this be what he sounds like.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's. It kind of. I, I again, I'm giving it all together too much credit, but it felt like it almost broke the fourth wall at one point.
This last episode where Ed Gein is going to work in his barn, you know, cutting himself a new strip off to make his lady suit. And he's interrupted by two deer hunters who've got lost.
And he turns to them and he goes, you shouldn't have been watching this.
And in that moment, directly to us all.
[00:53:07] Speaker B: 100 dog.
Dog. Yeah, it is. It's not good. Friends, save yourself the, the trouble don't make our mistake. It's not like I honestly, we do this for you. Do this for you. And I, I say that truly in this case, I, you know, I will watch something because it's the Zeitgeist or whatever and be like, maybe it's gonna be so bad. It's good or whatever. You know, I went and saw the, the Paul Thomas Anderson movie, even though we both knew.
[00:53:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: That we had different reactions to it. It was like, I don't like Paul Thomas Anderson. And you were like, and therefore I'm not going to see it. And I was like, I don't want.
[00:53:45] Speaker A: To miss out to fomo.
[00:53:46] Speaker B: Yeah. But in this case, there's just, there's no reason you do not need to have FOMO about Ed Gein. Maybe Google real quick, like go on YouTube to hear what the voice sounds like and let that be enough.
[00:54:00] Speaker A: Watch deranged.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: Watch Deranged.
[00:54:02] Speaker A: I have not seen it a solid video. Nasty from 1974.
Watch that. It's better.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: There you go. I will say the one thing about this is that it. The dead bodies are real dead bodies in this. Like, they are not. Yeah. It doesn't fuck around in any way.
It looks like, what if you had been wearing, like, your mother for six months? What that would look like. You know, it is pretty horrifying when.
[00:54:31] Speaker A: It comes to the, you know, I, I'm here all.
[00:54:35] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:54:36] Speaker A: I don't have time for movies because of my routines and rituals. I still managed to watch the 2018 Halloween trilogy.
[00:54:45] Speaker B: And that was an odd choice.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: That was a very interesting choice. I also like that you texted me and you were like, I have somewhat softened on my view of Halloween ends. And then I looked at. It was like a two.
[00:54:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. From A one and a half.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:06] Speaker A: I, but my, my, my view of the, my view of the first one, Halloween 2018 is fucking brilliant. It is so confident and so fucking just. It.
If it had stuck the fucking landing, that would have been an all timer trilogy. Yeah, it gets the vibe spot on. The Michael Myers is fucking brilliant.
Honestly, I don't think I can point to another Legacy sequel that got it as right as Halloween 2018 did. It is clear with the absolute best that that series has to offer.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: Which probably is one of the reasons why the way it crashes and burns in the third one.
If that had been most remakes, it would have been like, all right, fine.
No, it's just that it's such a comeDown from the first one and even the second, which we both enjoyed, we went to see in the movie theater an hour after meeting each other for the first time.
[00:56:08] Speaker A: We did, we did.
For better or worse. It's our movie.
[00:56:12] Speaker B: Yes, yep, exactly.
[00:56:14] Speaker A: Ah, that first one, man, that if when Elm street comes back, if it, if it's. That's what it needs to aspire to. That's the blueprint it needs to look at. That's how you do it. It's great.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: I watched in in reverse this weekend, which vexed you, not just because I was watching it in reverse, but because those 4K versions are coming out and I was sitting here watching it on AMC Thrillers or whatever. Could you not wait with commercials or whatever. See, yeah, because you're looking at it like I was intentionally watching Nightmare on Elm street. And what actually happened is I turned on the TV and it was on and I went, sure.
And sat there and watched. But I don't know why they did them in reverse order. So I, I got there at 4 and then watched 4, 3, 2.
And I did not watch one, I just watched it.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: So listen, 4, 3, 2. Solid. Very, very solid.
[00:57:12] Speaker B: Fun time.
Listen, I, you know, I think, you know, I was reading.
I don't know if it was just Wikipedia or Letterboxd or where I saw it, but that, you know, the, the fourth one is like considered like the, the MTV ification of it.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:57:27] Speaker B: And it is. And I love MTV Horror. Like, you know, that period. Like that's kind of in the golden age of like when I was a teenager, like the MTVR was it, you know, the, your faculty and your, you know, things along those lines. So it works great for me. I like that one a lot.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: I will hear no slander on the timeline. Sorry, I will have none of it.
Creative flair, man. You know, it died.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: I still close my eyes during the puppet.
[00:58:01] Speaker A: Oh, wonderful.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: I can't.
[00:58:04] Speaker A: Excellent work from Screaming Mad George and Tim.
But of all of them, it does that kind of. Hang on, wait a minute. Is this bit of dream or not kind of fuckery?
[00:58:14] Speaker B: The best? Yes.
[00:58:16] Speaker A: It's just iconic. Iconic as fuck.
[00:58:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I love that moment when they're, like, in the. In the group therapy and, like, realize it's a dream, you know? And, like, the therapist guy is like, what? No, this is. This is real. And the guy's, like, juggling little, like, silver balls or whatever. Like, yeah, sure, yeah. Oh, that was three. Yeah, you're right.
[00:58:36] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:58:37] Speaker B: But I just love that also, while I was watching that, I realized I don't. I. It hasn't been that long since I watched three, but I guess I had watched this movie called Ghost Story. I talked about it on. On the.
On Joag.
But it's, like, boring as. And for some reason, I loved it when I was a kid, but I rewatched it, like, maybe eight months ago, and I realized that, like, the. I was like, I feel like. I feel like this is the guy who falls out a window with his dick out in that movie. Like, suddenly that hits me more. And sure enough, like, yeah, the therapist is like the twin lead characters of.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: Does he fall out of a window with his dick out?
[00:59:20] Speaker B: Falls out of a window with his dick out. It was funny because I watched two movies in one week where that happened. I watched that and then I watched Hollow man and I was like, you know, if I had a nickel.
Yeah, only two, but it's weird to.
[00:59:34] Speaker A: Happen for a bus.
[00:59:37] Speaker B: This is very, very surprising.
But, yeah. So that guy was. Was in Ghost Story, which is not a movie I recommend, but unless you want to see him fall out a window with his dick out. But it's in the first, like, five.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Minutes you only get from this podcast.
[00:59:52] Speaker B: Nobody else is saying that this week, let me tell you.
[00:59:55] Speaker A: Not the Limits of Human Emotional Pain and two separate movies where a guy falls out of a window with his dick out. That's the journey.
[01:00:05] Speaker B: That is the journey right there. I'm very glad that you're with us on it.
[01:00:11] Speaker A: Watch along this weekend, by the way.
[01:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Woo.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: The sacrifices I make. Right?
I have held the fuck off on watching Toxic Avengers.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: You even texted me and you're like, but what if I.
What if I did watch it? And it's like, don't.
[01:00:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm not gonna pay for it. Get it legally. Because. Get it legally. I've I've read it's wiped out like 15 million worth of health.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: $15 million of health care debt wiped out by Toxic Avengers. So rent it, buy it, whatever, if you can. Obviously, if you can't, steal it. But if you can put in that money, you're helping. You're helping actually clear people's medical debt.
[01:00:57] Speaker A: So, yes, 4:00pm, 9:00pm this Saturday, we'll jump on Discord and watch Toxic Avenger and we'll have a great laugh because I've got really good vibes. I think it's going to be fantastic.
[01:01:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's always fantastic when we watch things with our friends. So, yes, it'll be a great time.
[01:01:13] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: Anything else that we need to tell our dear audience?
[01:01:18] Speaker A: Nope. We love each of you deeply and personally. Fucking keep it locked in. You know what I mean? Keep.
Just tell yourself all of this is temporary.
Stay spooky.
[01:01:34] Speaker B: What's that sound?
[01:01:35] Speaker A: Stay spooky. One of my kids.
[01:01:39] Speaker B: Is he okay?
[01:01:40] Speaker A: Yeah, he's fine.
