Ep. 216: the tillamook rock lighthouse (w/ the Hellrankers)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: This was a thing I hadn't thought about until this past week or two weeks ago, I guess I got assigned from Wisecrack to research Mother Teresa. And I'm assuming, given that you guys like dark things and whatnot, like you, you probably know already, that it turns out she was shitty. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Familiar with this as a thing. Yeah, that's fun. And one of the things that the gal that I was working on this for was talking about was the fact that like, people still constantly use Mother Teresa's name to mean, like excessively, like good, you know, so, you know, like. [00:00:40] Speaker C: Altruistic, like benevolence and especially when you're. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Not being good, you know, so like she's no Mother Teresa, like that kind of thing, you know, And I hadn't really like thought a whole lot about it, you know, you don't think a ton about the idioms people use in day to day life or whatever until it's like seeing a car that like you never noticed until you bought that car and now everyone is driving that car. Yeah, right. Like presumably they were all on the road before, but they were invisible until you got one. [00:01:14] Speaker C: Yeah, that weird, like, confirmation bias. [00:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:01:18] Speaker C: Like, oh, this thing, like, is now familiar to me. So it's, it's everywhere where it wasn't before. Well, yeah, it was. [00:01:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:24] Speaker C: Probably was like zeroed in on that. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Exactly. And so the. One of the most bananas things that I noticed this week because I have been up to my ears reading about Mother Teresa. I read like four Mother Teresa books and like a bajillion listened to podcasts, like all kinds of stuff about her over the past couple weeks. So she's on the brain. And twice yesterday, twice someone made a comment about like someone being the Mother Teresa of something or not living up to something and being like, oh, you know, I'm no Mother Teresa kind of thing. [00:02:05] Speaker C: That is so wild. [00:02:06] Speaker A: He has been dead for like 30 years almost. Yeah, like, yeah, good riddance. [00:02:15] Speaker C: That starts making me think, like, did your phone know you were researching this person? And then was like pushing you. [00:02:23] Speaker A: Pushing like something from the algo. Yeah, because one of them was. I watched this, this one YouTuber, you know, I like to watch some of the YouTube youths. Some of those gen zers. Yeah, you know those, those youth is doing the video essays on the YouTube and this one is one that I've watched before and they were doing one on book talk. And so it was a book talk related thing. And I don't even remember exactly the context in it, but in it they used like a phrase about someone not being Mother Teresa or whatever. And then the other one I think was just like a blue sky post or something like that. And so I was. Yeah, I was like, are people doing this every. People constantly referencing a 30 year old dead Albanian woman. [00:03:12] Speaker C: They're so wild. [00:03:14] Speaker A: How. What in the world? Why is that still relevant? [00:03:20] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That is wild. [00:03:21] Speaker A: It makes me want to like ask, like, because this is a. This is a Gen Z er, right, that I was watching. I guarantee that if she was born in the lifetime of Mother Teresa, certainly she was only like a year or two old when Mother Teresa died. Right? [00:03:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:39] Speaker A: So like, do Gen Zers have a frame of reference for who Mother Teresa, who's carrying this on? Who's carrying on this legacy or just an idiomatic expression? [00:03:48] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Like, you hear your parents say it and so it just enters your vocabulary. Like, Right. [00:03:55] Speaker A: It's like how, like someone pointed out that a lot of stuff from both 30 Rock and Mean Girls are like, very much in the lexicon. Like in 30 Rock when, you know, she says, I want to go to there and stuff like that. Like, and people just say it, but they have like no context for where that came from. Right. Like his Mother Teresa, like, just like at this point, she is nothing more than an idea. [00:04:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like Jesus to Christians. [00:04:27] Speaker C: I make a motion to change the like, historic meaning to refer to someone who is bad, but maybe not as bad as they could be. You know, I mean, they're no Mother Teresa. [00:04:41] Speaker A: I love that. Honestly, that is. That is brilliant. Like they're. They're kind of a villain, but like, they're not like, not Mother Teresa. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Right. [00:04:52] Speaker A: Genius. Thank you. [00:04:53] Speaker C: Give them a little bit of leeway there. [00:04:58] Speaker A: Let me quote directly from my notes, if I may. Yes, please do. Fucking look at these nerds. [00:05:03] Speaker B: Oh, mise en scene. [00:05:05] Speaker A: I don't think anyone has ever said miselle said in such a horny way before. [00:05:09] Speaker B: The way I whispered the word sex cannibal recently. [00:05:12] Speaker A: Worst comes to worst, Mark, I'm willing to guillotine you for science. [00:05:16] Speaker B: Thank you. That's really, really sweet. [00:05:18] Speaker A: It's cold outside, but my pancreas is talking to me. I'm fucking. I'm gonna leg it. You know how I feel about that, Mark? I think you feel great about it. [00:05:31] Speaker C: About a mile off the northern Oregon coast, there lies a rock. This rock is a little less than an acre big. And on top of this rock, I. [00:05:45] Speaker A: Just don't feel like an acre big is a measurement. [00:05:47] Speaker C: An Acre. Big. [00:05:48] Speaker B: It's like an acre. [00:05:50] Speaker C: I was like, about to say several thousand hot dogs. I was like, it's not just the width, though. I don't know, like the dimensions of. [00:05:57] Speaker A: The acreage in area. [00:06:00] Speaker C: I guess maybe less than an acre. I don't know. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Anyway, I bought an acre sized rock to build my house on. [00:06:09] Speaker C: Now that we've thoroughly. [00:06:14] Speaker A: I'm sorry. [00:06:15] Speaker C: No, that's great. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Oh, go on. [00:06:19] Speaker C: On top of this acre, big rock, there sits a lighthouse. [00:06:26] Speaker A: I love a lighthouse. [00:06:27] Speaker C: I thought you would. [00:06:28] Speaker A: Yeah. You're speaking maritime to me. [00:06:30] Speaker C: Yes. I learned so much about, like, seacraft and like the Coast Guard. [00:06:37] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:06:38] Speaker C: Preparing for this. [00:06:39] Speaker A: I'm so excited. [00:06:40] Speaker C: I'm very excited. So this lighthouse is now known as Terrible Tilly. And I'm going to tell you how it gained that. That name into it. So in 1878, the US government designated $50,000 for a lighthouse because they had determined that the coast was just far too dark and way dangerous for sailors. And so they initially planned to put this lighthouse on top of Tillamook Head, which is a promontory in Tillamook. [00:07:20] Speaker A: Now I'm like, I wonder if I've. Because I've been to Tillamook. I've been to the cheese factory, one of my honeymoon. I'm like, have I been. Have I seen this lighthouse? [00:07:28] Speaker B: I think if you've been to Tillamook, you've probably been to all the things. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Right, right. Exactly. [00:07:33] Speaker C: Yeah, we've been near Tillamook. Stephen and I actually have seen this lighthouse before. [00:07:37] Speaker A: Oh, amazing. [00:07:38] Speaker C: Yes. [00:07:39] Speaker A: Oh, wonderful. [00:07:40] Speaker C: And I didn't know that before I started preparing for this. [00:07:44] Speaker A: Oh, I love this. Look at. Wait, is this the answer to the. [00:07:47] Speaker B: Question we had on Cannon Beach? Oh, God, yeah. [00:07:50] Speaker A: Oh, beautiful. We're gonna solve something. Okay, go on, go on, go on. [00:07:55] Speaker C: So it was determined that Tillamichead actually would not be a great place to put the lighthouse because it's about a thousand feet above sea level and it's often very foggy there. And so they were like, it will be obscured and it won't actually be helpful. So they had to come up with another solution, another place to put this lighthouse. And what they came up with was this large. What is it? Balsit? Ball? Ball? [00:08:25] Speaker B: Salt? [00:08:25] Speaker C: Basalt. [00:08:26] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:27] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:08:28] Speaker C: I was homeschooled. I never heard these words out loud. I just read them in textbooks. [00:08:34] Speaker A: It's so much better. Listen, homeschool curiosity is the best kind of curiosity. I don't know what any of this is, but let's go with it. [00:08:42] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:08:43] Speaker A: Yep. [00:08:44] Speaker C: So basalt rock, which is a. I learned a kind of volcanic rock, which is cool. And so they. They thought, well, this is really the only other place we can put this lighthouse. So, yeah, I said, it's, like, a little over a mile from the coast, and at. At the time, it had kind of this, like, big hump on the top. And so they sent a surveyor in 1879. His name was H.S. w. Wheeler, to see if it would be a viable place to put a lighthouse. And he really didn't, like, think it was advisable. The rock was very treacherous, very difficult to land on. The second time that he did go to do some more work, like, he was able to land his boat, but he couldn't get any of his equipment on the rock. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Nice. That's always a good sign. [00:09:42] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's. It was very, very dangerous and very, like, hard to access. [00:09:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I was just thinking. I just googled just to check, but have you guys heard of the Giants Causeway in Northern Ireland? [00:09:56] Speaker B: No. [00:09:56] Speaker C: I think so. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Like, you would probably recognize it if you saw it. It's this, like, this area in which there's all these little, like. I think they're like, hexagonal columns. Yeah, right. Yeah, all these little, like, columns or, you know, whatever shape they are. But those are basalt. Right. And so when I was thinking of, like, I was like, I think that's the same thing. And it is. It's, like, you know, slippery and, like, moss and shit grows all over it, and it is not a thing. I think, that people generally build stuff on. There's nothing on the Giants Causeway. All you can do is go and look at it. I mean, you can walk on it, but, you know. [00:10:32] Speaker B: Yeah, slippery. [00:10:34] Speaker A: It's super slippery. I have nearly eaten it on that probably four or five times in my life. [00:10:39] Speaker C: That's. That's wild. [00:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:40] Speaker C: That's really cool that you've been there. [00:10:41] Speaker A: Oh, Northern Ireland's my. My favorites. Where the awesome tattoo came from. Anyways. Go on. [00:10:50] Speaker C: Yeah. So so little context for after his second attempt, they, like, they basically had to order him to continue doing this project because he really didn't think that. [00:11:01] Speaker A: They sent him out, like, hey, can you check and see if that works? And he's like, it doesn't. And they were like, right, do it anyway. [00:11:06] Speaker C: Yeah. So. So they had already designated $50,000, and he told them, that is not enough money for what this project is going. [00:11:15] Speaker A: To entail in 1878. Money. [00:11:19] Speaker C: Yeah, Louise. Right. Because he he was like, there's not enough level area on this rock. Like, you're going to have to blast the top of the rock off. [00:11:29] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:31] Speaker C: And so it was going to be way more pricey than they had originally intended for it to be. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Sure. [00:11:38] Speaker C: And so in September of that year, they sent a second surveyor out, and his name was John Trewavas. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:48] Speaker C: Okay, question mark. [00:11:50] Speaker A: That sounds like one that we wouldn't necessarily know. It's not, like, basalt, so you can say whatever you want. [00:11:56] Speaker B: We all know somebody's listening right now. Like, it's Basilt. [00:12:00] Speaker A: God damn it. [00:12:03] Speaker C: And they. They employed him because he had worked with other lighthouses that had proved really difficult to build. There was one in England that he had worked on that was pretty hard. I think it was called the Wolf Whistle Lighthouse or something similar to that. [00:12:19] Speaker A: I appreciate that they go hard with these lighthouse names. [00:12:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:22] Speaker B: Also that makes me think the lighthouse is sexy. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:25] Speaker C: It may not be that. After I said it, I was like, wait, that's like a cat call, right? It's something to do with wolves. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Somebody told me, wolf Whistle Lighthouse. I'm like, you kind of want to see that layout? [00:12:35] Speaker A: I know, right? That lighthouse has titties. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. [00:12:42] Speaker C: Yeah. So. So, because this dude had, like, worked on, like, really difficult projects before they hired him. And as soon as he got to this rock and attempted to climb up, he slipped and fell into the ocean, and his body was never recovered. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:13:03] Speaker C: Yeah. So not a great. So the guy. [00:13:06] Speaker A: The guy they call in. The guy they call in because to, like, do the impossible thing just dies immediately. It's when you give up. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Go build it on the project. [00:13:18] Speaker A: Go build it on the foggy cliff. It's fine. This is a bad idea. [00:13:23] Speaker C: Better than nothing. [00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, no. [00:13:27] Speaker C: So. So that really gave a lot of the local people who may have been employed to work on this pause. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:38] Speaker C: They really did not want this project to happen. And so it became really difficult to find anyone that could actually work on it because no one wanted to. It was way too dangerous. And they ended up, like, getting people that were out of towners and kind of keeping them away from the locals so they wouldn't be scared off from this. [00:14:05] Speaker A: Nobody's allowed to go to the bars after work. Yeah. [00:14:08] Speaker C: Everyone's gonna be like, no. [00:14:10] Speaker A: A guy, like, literally just died there. [00:14:12] Speaker C: Yeah. And I. I was unable to find any, like, primary sources of this. Like, I don't know if you'd call it urban legend or whatever, but people around this area have said that the Native Americans, like, said the rock was cursed. And they went, right. [00:14:36] Speaker A: Like, the indigenous people are like, that's bad people. They're just superstitious. [00:14:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna go out there and die. [00:14:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:45] Speaker C: It's like, you don't need to conquest every square inch of the earth, like. Yeah. And so I read. I read that they believed that, like, spirits lived in tunnels in the rock. And, like, they were basically like, stay away from this place. [00:15:01] Speaker A: Volcanic rock is so interesting in that it feels like it breeds a lot of that because obviously there's a lot of superstition about, like, Hawaii and lava rock and things like that and you. It being bad luck when you take it away. I remember when I was in high school, and, of course, being high schoolers, you gotta break into places you're not supposed to be. There was a. A house that we called the Belvedere House. And it was like this abandoned place that, like, you could see it from Sausalito across the bay, this big spot where it had a tram that, like, went from the road down to the house itself. And the, like, urban legend about this was that the owner of this house had brought tons and tons and tons of lava rock from Hawaii, like, fell in love with it while he was there, used this tram to take it from the street down to the house and build tunnels under the house. And then, of course, the legend goes that then he was found dead in those tunnels underneath. I have been inside the place, but it very dark and very treacherous, and we never discovered whether there were tunnels or not in it. But as to say, like, something about. I'm assuming it's really just, like, partly, like, indigenous tradition, Right. Is one of the reasons you're not supposed to remove it. But a degree of the volcanic rock actively being super dangerous creates all kinds of mythology about it, right? Yeah, exactly. Like, people see this, and they're like, that is deeply cursed. Like, every time someone gets on that, something terrible happens. Yeah. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Also, the lesson from the story of dying building a tunnel is, hey, don't go tunneling. [00:16:52] Speaker A: No, no. Yeah. I mean, that's. That's a hard and fast rule I have. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Generally, if you're gonna be digging a tunnel, get somebody who knows how to dig a tunnel. Don't just dark deer. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Don't be digging tunnels. It's just a bad idea. [00:17:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So once they were able to actually resume construction with this new crew, they had a lot of issues, unsurprisingly, getting this thing finished. [00:17:22] Speaker B: But somebody thought it would be neat if there was a Lighthouse out. [00:17:25] Speaker C: They really did. They thought that that would be really, really cool. I just. [00:17:28] Speaker A: So cool, you guys. [00:17:30] Speaker C: I don't understand. [00:17:31] Speaker B: Wait. Wait till you see it. [00:17:33] Speaker C: I don't understand why they couldn't just, like, go a few miles down the coast or something. Like, does it. I don't know if it makes that much of a difference. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Well, yeah, Now. Now that you're, like, mentioning this, I guess I've just never super thought about, like, the placement of lighthouses before. And there's actually a lighthouse museum on Long Island I just discovered. So I don't know, maybe I'll have to go there and see if I find anything else out about this. But I've never really thought about, like, what they have to build it on and the, like, location of it, because, like, sometimes they were, like, just on, like, a point of land. Right, right. Necessarily out in the midst of something. So it seems weird that this was. [00:18:13] Speaker C: This was. [00:18:13] Speaker A: They decided this was the spot. [00:18:15] Speaker C: Yeah, this was at. At the time, and it may still be. I was kind of having a hard time finding, like, current information, but it was the only offshore lighthouse in Oregon. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Oh. Most of the time they were on the. Yeah. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Yeah. So I don't know, like, maybe a few miles down, they already had one. Like, I guess I'm not sure what the different. The distance is between the different lighthouses. [00:18:39] Speaker A: Right. And I do know that it's, like, a very, like, treacherous area, too. I've talked before about, like, going to the Columbia river, like, bar museum there where it talks about how it's, like, the most dangerous river bar in the world. Like, it is so hard to pass through that area. So I guess to an extent it's like, yeah, I guess the more lighthouses and stuff, the better. [00:18:59] Speaker C: Right. It really does seem like, like, they felt it was important enough to have something there that they would go through this horrible, you know, journey to make it happen. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So, like, during. During the construction period, at one point, a huge storm came and washed away all of their provisions, their shelter, their cl. And they were pretty much stranded there for a couple weeks before they were able to get new provisions. Yeah. [00:19:33] Speaker A: Just a mile offshore so they could, like, see where everyone else was. But we're just like, yeah, can't get to you. Sorry. [00:19:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Okay. So this happens. And they don't think, once we have a lighthouse here, wouldn't this just happen to the people in the lighthouse? [00:19:51] Speaker C: Well, just you wait. Just you wait. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Wow. Oh, we'll get there. [00:19:58] Speaker B: Very foreseeable future was not foreseen. [00:20:02] Speaker C: No. [00:20:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:20:03] Speaker C: The. The longer I read about this, the more I was just like. Like what? Like my eyes were like bugging out reading this, like these articles and things. Like we gave you all the clues this day. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Yes. [00:20:20] Speaker C: So. Yeah. So it was, it was not good working conditions. One fun thing that I learned existed through reading about this is something called breaches buoy. Okay. Which is. It is a device used for either rescuing people from a shipwreck or like getting supplies or people to. From one location to another out at sea. And it basically is just like a life preserver ring with a pair of like pants sewn into them. [00:20:52] Speaker A: No. So like a pants buoy. Yeah. [00:20:55] Speaker C: So it looks, it looks kind of like those baby bouncer things. Yes. Like, but instead of like fucking like, I don't know, diaper shape, it's, it's like long shorts and pants. [00:21:08] Speaker B: Now I want to get in one. [00:21:09] Speaker A: I love it. Yeah. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Try it out. [00:21:11] Speaker C: And that's how they would transport the, the workers from a cutter, which is a type of ship, ship to the rock. And there's some, there's actually some pictures of that that I would recommend looking up. I'm going to send you some pictures beautiful. Of different things because I'm. I'm telling you, like you, when I first read about this, I was like, okay, lighthouse on a rock. That sounds like, you know, scary, but it makes sense. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:41] Speaker C: And then I started looking at pictures and I. I watched a video on YouTube that someone had mean with a drone going around and it was like an 8 minute, 22 second video. And I was like, well, I probably won't watch the whole thing. I was glued to this video like, and it made several times legitimately made my stomach drop. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Wow. [00:22:03] Speaker C: Like, I actually, I do have pictures I want to send you. I want you to see like what the stairs of this. [00:22:11] Speaker A: Yes, please rock looks like I am. Let me tell you this just like does my heart. Intense. Glad. Intensely glad to just have someone experience the wonder of a maritime thing, you know? [00:22:27] Speaker C: Yes. [00:22:28] Speaker A: I was like, I start looking and you're like, whoa, hold on. [00:22:31] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, I understand, Corey. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Like once you start diving into it. Because the thing about anything on the water is just. It's just like always the most dangerous thing that you have ever seen in your life. Right. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Like water, like, just don't go there. [00:22:47] Speaker C: It's. [00:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Like we're not supposed to be there. Yeah, we're not supposed to be there. We are not meant to experience water. And all of our encounters with it are like we're always this close to dying, right? Yeah. So it's such a fascinating element. Like on top of all the political elements of it and what it tells me about the world and all that. Just from like, if you are interested in stuff that might kill you. Yeah, there is a lot. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:23:14] Speaker C: Yeah. And on top and underneath. So there's like layers even. [00:23:19] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:23:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:21] Speaker A: Oh, wow. So this is for one, it's beautiful. Like. [00:23:24] Speaker C: Yes. Oh, gorgeous. [00:23:26] Speaker A: This is really. It is sitting. It reminds me actually a lot of the Belvedere house. Like it's on this like basalt lava rock looking thing, obviously covered in bird shit and whatnot. And it looks almost like like a broken down prison. Like Alcatraz. Like the white walls and everything like that on this, but. Or like a closed up sanitarium or something like that with a rusty. These steps that go. I mean, that has to be 7,500 steps. [00:24:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I have no idea. I did not find. [00:24:03] Speaker A: Ton of stairs. [00:24:04] Speaker C: Steps. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Yeah, a ton of stairs here. And like the rusty, misty, rusted out top of the lighthouse on it. [00:24:12] Speaker C: And the thing that got me about the stairs is that they're just. It's one straight up, straight up column. It is not like, you know, divided by like landings or anything. So like if you fall, you're falling. [00:24:26] Speaker A: The whole way down, straight down into the water, like onto whatever the rocks are. [00:24:30] Speaker B: Horror movie fuel. Like, this is, this is a setting for a horror movie where they're like, don't go after that. [00:24:37] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Some dumbass kids like me and my friends in high school would go out. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Guys. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Hey, what's up? Tick tock. I'm out here on you rock. Everyone who's ever been here has died. [00:24:52] Speaker C: Oh, no. The construction was just like. I. I don't know how they were able to do this. It took them almost 600 days to build. Like, they, they didn't get the top of the rock fully blasted off until May of 1880. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:15] Speaker C: Yeah. And so it was just. Yeah. And they also. [00:25:20] Speaker A: That's literally just to prepare it. Not even to like build the thing, just to even make this usable is two years of, of work. [00:25:27] Speaker C: I. I think the construction of the lighthouse is built into those almost 600 days. But they did. They spent so much time preparing. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Just getting the rock so that you could build on it. [00:25:40] Speaker C: Yeah. And another thing that they had to contend. To contend with aside from the elements, what was the sea life. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Right. [00:25:49] Speaker C: Because so many birds used it as a nesting place. And also sea lions. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:57] Speaker C: And I have another they're fighty. Yeah. [00:26:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:00] Speaker C: I'll. I'll send you after this another picture that shows how many sea lions can fit on the, like, shore area of the rock. [00:26:11] Speaker A: You know, being from the bay, I just think of, like, have you guys been to, like, Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco? And it's like there's like that place where there's like, probably, I don't know, like a dozen little docks or whatever. And like, the sea lions just like. Like all crowd on to that and they'll stack on each other and they just. They don't. They don't give a right. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Out on the coast in Oregon, when. [00:26:39] Speaker C: We were in Astoria. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Yeah. There's the pier. You can see sea lions. They're just, like, cuddling up. [00:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah, they smell awful. [00:26:49] Speaker B: They do smell stinky. [00:26:51] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, like, they had to deal with, like, weather and creatures all basically screaming at them. Go away. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. No one wants you here. [00:27:05] Speaker C: Exactly, exactly. And so by the time they actually ended up constructing the lighthouse, it was a 62 foot tower and they had a Fresnel lens put in, which Fresnel Brunel. Oh, my God, guys, I'm struggling today. [00:27:25] Speaker A: That's literally just because I. I like, like lighthouses. Okay. It's not. Everybody knows this. [00:27:34] Speaker C: Can I pronounce incorrectly today? So Fresnel. [00:27:39] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:39] Speaker C: Okay. So it's a Fresnel lens, which I'm sure. Yeah. You know all about this. But I learned that it was like a new kind of, like, way to make that lens with less material, which is really neat, which I feel like would be very important in trying to transport something to this rock. Like, you would want it to be as compact as possible. And it had a range of 18 miles. That's a long way. Yeah. So that's. Yeah. Super interesting. And then they had, like, a foghorn that, like, in. In, like, the type of weather that it would be needed. It would play like every 90 seconds for like, five. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Wow. [00:28:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:21] Speaker A: That's a lot of foghorn. [00:28:23] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Just like, I can't imagine living. Living there, like, taking care of this place and having to deal with, like, the elements and then the upkeep of this place, like. Yeah. Just wild. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Yeah. All the while you're just sitting there while that horn goes off every 90 seconds for the entire time you're there. This is why lighthouse keepers go crazy. [00:28:48] Speaker C: Yeah. And that, like, that happens here. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:28:52] Speaker C: Yeah. And so it ended up costing $125,000, which is, I guess, in today's money, close to $4 million. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Wow. [00:29:05] Speaker C: Yeah. And it was. It was the most expensive lighthouse, at least on the west coast at the time. Wow. Yeah. And I think has only been surpassed by one other one. Wow. Yeah. One in California ended up being more, but. Yeah, just incredible. And so In January of 1881, just 18 days before the lighthouse was fully completed, disaster struck again. [00:29:41] Speaker A: So close. [00:29:44] Speaker C: So the. The ship, the Lupatia was a British ship. It was traveling from Japan to the west coast. And a thick fog came down that day, and the. The Lupatia got so close to Tillamook Rock that the. Reportedly, the men working there could hear the crew talking to. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:30:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. [00:30:11] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:30:12] Speaker C: Yeah. And they. They're like. They weren't set up fully as a lighthouse just yet, like. [00:30:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:18] Speaker C: Just wait, you know, a couple weeks. Yeah. So they started, like, building bonfires and, like, shouting and trying to warn them away from. From the rock. And to their relief, the ship appeared to turn and disappear back into the fog, only to be for them to discover the next day, 16 crewmen washed up on the shore of the. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Of the rock, like the Loop. Like, I mean, like, did they wash up where they were building the lighthouse. [00:30:49] Speaker C: Or on, like, on, like, the. Act like the land. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:30:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Mainland shore. [00:30:53] Speaker A: So I was like, can you imagine? Like, you're already on that lighthouse with the sea lions and the. The horns and all these kinds of things, and then all of a sudden, there's just 16 bodies. [00:31:02] Speaker C: Right? Oh, my God. Yeah. [00:31:04] Speaker A: They're gonna put them in the pants. How are they gonna get. Are they gonna get rid of these? [00:31:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:09] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:31:10] Speaker C: Yeah. And. But, like, one silver lining is that there was one survivor and it was the ship's dog. [00:31:19] Speaker A: It's like, I'm out of here. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Yeah, good. [00:31:22] Speaker C: So their dog survived, but all. All of the crew either, like, they. They found washed up on the shore or never recovered their bodies. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Did they find the ship? Do they know what happened to it? [00:31:33] Speaker C: I believe they found it wrecked. Yeah. As with many stories from this era, there are varying accounts, of course, of what happened. So I did read one account that said that they found it, like, splintered against Tillamook head. [00:31:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:50] Speaker C: So as far as I know, that's pretty much what happened. [00:31:55] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. [00:31:57] Speaker C: So. Yeah. So on January 21st, that was the first time that they lit the beacon and they were fully operational. They had four keepers, apparently, according to one source. Another source I read said that there would be, like, one keeper and then four assistants. So either way, they had multiple men There to help with the maintenance of the lighthouse, which was so much. Yes, they, they. It was just like so much work that they had to constantly be doing so much upkeep because of the way that the rock is situated. Like waves would crash into it. And especially during storms, the lighthouse was constantly being wrecked and having things destroyed and like it. I mean, talk about full time job, like truly full time job keeping this thing in working order. It was. Yeah. Like there would be flooding in not only the tower of the lighthouse, but like it would go down into their quarters. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Oh gosh. [00:33:09] Speaker C: Sometimes there would be feet of water that they would be dealing with. [00:33:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I've like, I remember, I can't remember what lighthouse it was, but I was reading about like, you know, one allegedly haunted lighthouse kind of situation or whatever and it was like. Oh. Like it was mysterious how the people disappeared from it. And it's like when you really think about it, it's like no rogue wave. That's just because it would like rogue waves would hit stuff like this blood, the entire thing. If they were like caught unawares, they would just wash right back out with. With that, you know. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean this whole area is. Is just, you know, wave central. [00:33:48] Speaker A: It is dangerous, like unpredictable. Like one of the big things about that. Yeah. [00:33:53] Speaker C: Like when I was watching some videos about Tillamook Rock, like light. I also like just in the other suggested things were sleeper waves in the same area or sneaker waves that like you don't see them coming and you're on the beach and then suddenly it's just. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Nobody swims in this area. [00:34:13] Speaker A: Yeah, right, exactly. These are not swimming beaches. I mean, they're also way too cold, but like way too cold. It's dangerous. [00:34:21] Speaker C: Very, very dangerous. So. Yeah. And like sometimes the waves would be so violent that they would like tear off chunks of the rock and like throw them into the. The building. [00:34:37] Speaker A: So launching rocks. [00:34:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Catapulting like one source. Yeah, one. Seriously, go away. [00:34:47] Speaker A: It's like trying to. It's like an immune system fighting. [00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Like I read as big as almost a ton rocks. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Wow. [00:34:59] Speaker C: Launched into the tower breaking windows, I imagine. Yeah, like just. Just insane stuff they were having to deal with. By. By 1897, they did put a telephone line in and it was almost immediately destroyed in a storm. [00:35:20] Speaker A: I was gonna say at this point we don't. Well, yeah, we're like a decade or two off from wireless telegraphy and things like that. So. Yeah, you're connected. Like that's gonna work on a place like this. [00:35:34] Speaker C: Yeah, Just. Yeah. And, like, I can only imagine how, like, discouraging that would be to be like, oh, we're gonna have better communication with the mainland, and then it's almost just instantly ripped away from you. [00:35:50] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:51] Speaker C: Like, and they did put in new phone lines, and, like, they were working to, like, try to maintain these things as much as they possibly could. And by. By 34, the. The original Fresnel lens was destroyed in a storm. And there was other damage, like, to the Derek lines, which was, like, another thing that I didn't know what that was beforehand, but, like, basically used for transporting stuff, you know, which is cool. Those were destroyed, so now they can't get supplies, and the phone lines were destroyed again. And, like, it was just. They were in such bad shape and had absolutely no way of communicating that they had needs. Like, what. The type of things they were. They're needing. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah. If everything washed away, you couldn't call anyone and be like, hey, our stuff's gone. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Yeah, Like. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Like, well, we wait for the next replacement crew, whatever that is. [00:36:53] Speaker C: Yeah, well, and then, like, this is. This is really cool. The keeper at the time, Henry Jenkins, was like, he. He had worked with, like, radios and stuff, so he actually was able to construct, like, a radio out of, like, parts from the telephone lines and, like, other scraps that they had. And so he was actually able to contact the mainland, like, let them know of their status and everything. [00:37:18] Speaker A: Oh, that's bananas. [00:37:20] Speaker C: Like, yes. I'm just like, I. I'm so useless. Like. Like, the things that people had to do and, like, that they were able to, like, figure out how to survive. I'm like, that is so amazing. [00:37:37] Speaker A: I've seen, like, you know, videos too, from, like, Gaza where, like, guys have figured out how to, like, make, like, solar panel by hand and, like, plug in people's devices and stuff like that. And I'm like, yeah, that's sorcery to me. Like, I don't. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:37:52] Speaker A: I don't know how that is possible. That is not my place in the apocalypse. Not. Not gonna be my role. [00:38:01] Speaker C: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, it was just like, I. The. The things that the keepers, like, had to deal with. What did prove too much for some of them. Like, some of them did not last very long. And I read that pretty much as soon as they started showing signs of, like, any mental deterioration, they would be like, let's immediately. [00:38:27] Speaker A: Yeah, we can't have that, like, you know, incredibly stressful situation and someone losing their shit. [00:38:34] Speaker C: Right? Yeah. There was a story of one of the Assistants putting, like, crushed glass in the food of, like, the main keeper. Yeah. And, like, you know, who's to say if these are just, like, stories that have come up, but, like, this is. This is the reputation, right, that this place has created for itself. [00:38:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:54] Speaker C: You know, like, there's so many ghost stories and stories of guys going crazy. And, like, we do know that some of them, like, really could not handle it. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:05] Speaker C: I watched a really cool interview on YouTube. Pretty short interview. I think it was, like, between 10 and 15 minutes of a former, like, World War II Coast Guard guy, like, talking. [00:39:21] Speaker A: That was his title. [00:39:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Coast Guard guy. Yeah. Talking about, like, his work. Him working on that rock. And he was saying how he was, like, really only the second, like, young guy that had worked, worked there. And as he put it, the guy that he replaced, like, went stir. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. You know, like, it must. I was gonna say, I wonder how they even managed to, like, get people to man this rock. But it's the Coast Guard. Like, you're assigned where you're assigned. [00:39:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, and it was so interesting because he was saying how, like, he was a lot younger than the other guys that were working there, and he. He said he wasn't, like, a great military person. So he had put in for, like, the most remote, like, station you could think of, which was actually in Alaska. You know, this other guy, like, needed to be replaced, so they stationed him here. And he was saying how, like, there was a little bit of a culture, like, learning opportunity because, like, the old guys that were there had been part of, like, the lighthouse service before it was wrapped into the Coast Guard. And so, like, they had some, like, just different age. Age to, like, you know, get over with each other, but that. It ended up, like, being. Being good. Like, he. He seems to, like, speak of it pretty fondly, which is wild, because he was. [00:40:37] Speaker A: Some people, like, being hazed, you know? [00:40:39] Speaker C: Yeah. You know, and he also said that, like, only men were allowed to be stationed at this place. Like, they wouldn't let women work there because it was so remote and so dangerous. Yeah. And. Yeah, so, like, they would have, like, basically shifts, which I think is, like, pretty common for offshore lighthouses, where they would be there for a period of time, and then they'd be allowed to go back home. Sometimes that would be delayed by a really long time. [00:41:10] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. [00:41:11] Speaker C: Because the weather was so bad that they simply couldn't leave. And. Yeah, like, I. I think I would do. I think I could handle, like, the isolation part, but, like, the upkeep is, like, Obviously, like, the, the hard thing. And I, I, I do know that if I'm like, I have it in my head, I'm gonna get to go home. [00:41:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:34] Speaker C: Like, even if I would be, like, typically fine, being like, oh, yeah, I can be, like, kind of isolated for a couple months. That's whatever. Like, yeah. If I have it in my head, I get to go home. And then suddenly I can't. [00:41:45] Speaker A: You can't? Yeah. Like, that's. It's like those people in the ISS right now, like, they, you know, they seem to be like, it's fine. We're. We're doing great. I'm like, no, I'm sorry. You don't. Like if I'm supposed to be home. Yeah. And it's February and, you know, space. [00:42:02] Speaker B: We know you're freaking out. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Especially when it's like, Elon Musk is the one who's supposed to get them back. And it's like, he's busy right now. He's doing some, you know, dumb, dumb. I. It's like, you're never coming home. [00:42:17] Speaker B: Even imagine even a little bit. Like, Elon Musk is the one you're hoping saves you. [00:42:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Right. Like, I would be in panic mode right now. I'm so. I don't like anywhere enough to be like, this is fine. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Indefinitely. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Stay out of space. [00:42:38] Speaker A: Stay out of space. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Go there, the ocean, things there that don't like you. [00:42:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Inside the earth all go, go zones. [00:42:46] Speaker A: Hubris. [00:42:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:48] Speaker B: We don't need to know everything. All right? We got telescopes. We'll look at stuff. We're good, right? [00:42:54] Speaker A: Just. Just chill here, you know? Yeah. [00:42:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So. Yeah. So as far as I could find, only one keeper or assistant. I can't remember what his official title was, but only one throughout the years actually passed away during that whole time that it was open and being used as a lighthouse just slipped off the rocks and fell. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Killed by it. [00:43:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:20] Speaker C: Or killed by a. [00:43:21] Speaker A: Wait. [00:43:21] Speaker C: Maybe the ghost pushed me. [00:43:23] Speaker B: That's what they know. [00:43:24] Speaker A: It's probably. It's the. It's that poor guy who came to survey and slipped off, and he's just been lonely this whole time. He's like, somebody else got a ghost friend. Yeah. [00:43:34] Speaker B: Other than all these ghost sea lions. [00:43:36] Speaker A: Well, yes, of course. Naturally, they smell bad, and they. They only know one word. That's the one. [00:43:47] Speaker C: Jinx. So. So after the lens was destroyed, they opted to put in diesel engines, and they outfitted it for electricity, and so they put in an arrow beacon. [00:44:05] Speaker A: Okay. [00:44:06] Speaker C: Which is Just like an electric powered light and the, the like lenses are turned by a motor. Right. So I feel like that was probably like, you know, a good call. [00:44:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:21] Speaker A: Right. Yes. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Seems like it reduces a lot of the work. [00:44:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:25] Speaker A: If you have that option handy. Yeah, seems like a good idea. [00:44:28] Speaker C: And they ended up putting like, like, like chain linked mesh type material around the tower so that if rocks got. [00:44:38] Speaker A: Thrown at it, it wouldn't break. [00:44:40] Speaker C: Yeah. And see, when I was first looking at the pictures, I was like, I wonder if that's for like the men in there to not be swept away, like. But it was actually, which, I mean, I'm sure it could double as that type of. Oh, yeah, like use or whatever. But it was actually to prevent stuff from getting into the tower. [00:44:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:00] Speaker C: So interesting. Yeah. And like, because there is like a kind of balcony type thing around the tower, like lower down that doesn't have that mesh. It just has a railing. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah. It's more like your normal like widow's walk type situation underneath it. [00:45:16] Speaker C: Hate to be caught out there in bad weather. [00:45:20] Speaker A: Definitely. [00:45:20] Speaker C: Also like in good weather, imagine like the view that you would have. [00:45:26] Speaker A: Right. It is absolutely beautiful. [00:45:29] Speaker C: Yeah. No matter what direction you're looking. [00:45:33] Speaker B: Back size, back side of the big Cannon Beach Haystack. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Yeah, the Haystack Rock. [00:45:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:40] Speaker B: So like along the shore. [00:45:41] Speaker C: Yeah. When we have gone to the Haystack Rock area of Cannon beach several times. [00:45:47] Speaker B: See the lighthouse. [00:45:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Oh, so I've definitely seen it then. Yeah, for sure. Been to Cannon beach many times. [00:45:52] Speaker C: Every time that Stephen and I have been there, we like see off in the distance, we're like, what is that? You know, like, and, and I, because I was like, it doesn't look like fully a rock. Like there looks like there's some rockiness there. [00:46:06] Speaker A: Huh. [00:46:07] Speaker C: But we were like guessed that it was a lighthouse, but couldn't really tell because it is pretty far away, but. [00:46:12] Speaker A: You can see it. [00:46:15] Speaker C: So. Yeah. So we have actually seen it, which I thought was really cool. I want to go to like actual Tillamook, which we haven't been to yet. So we can see it like maybe a little. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Like a better view of it. [00:46:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically by the time 1957 rolled around, they decided to decommission the lighthouse because they had determined that it was simply far too expensive to keep in operation. And they replaced mixed it with a whistlebuoy. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Okay. [00:46:51] Speaker C: Which is like basically like the way that it's constructed, like it sounds like like a train whistle or something, like with blowing through it and everything. So that it's like a mile c word of the rock. So they decided to do that instead. And like now, obviously, like, I mean, and even. Even before now, like, as soon as, like the technology. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Right. [00:47:15] Speaker C: Like, they can chips away, you know. Yeah. [00:47:17] Speaker A: What's. What's ahead of them. They've got like, radar or whatever to avoid. [00:47:21] Speaker B: Hold on a second. It took them that long to think, you know, that light doesn't cut through fog. But sound. Kind. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Sound does. Yeah, right. What the. [00:47:34] Speaker C: I almost wonder if they were like, we put so much money into this. [00:47:38] Speaker A: God damn it, we're gonna use it. It's sunk cost for sure. Like, you know, they built this thing. It was immediately, like, constantly breaking, you know, having all of, like, needing maintenance all the time. Being a giant pain in the ass, people slipping off. And it's like, yeah, or they could have just put this thing down, but they had spent the equivalent of $4 million on it. They're like, we are going to get every last bit of use out of this. Our lighthouse keepers be damned. Stranded out there, unable to talk to anybody and. And left it till 1957. [00:48:14] Speaker B: It is blowing my mind that a nation like a thousand years ago could have dominated the world by simply understanding that a whistle's. [00:48:24] Speaker A: A whistle would work. A whistle would be fine. [00:48:27] Speaker B: Wow. [00:48:28] Speaker C: Yeah. Like the most simple solution, you know. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Wow. Well, I'm glad they figured it out. [00:48:35] Speaker C: From the beginning, I guess. I don't know. [00:48:37] Speaker A: Well, right. I'm sure the technology must have been there. Right. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Somebody had to have figured that out a long time ago because it's so simple. [00:48:44] Speaker C: Well, because we know that, like, you know, with caves, whistling and stuff like. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:48] Speaker C: That has existed for a long time. I'm sure people figured out how to recreate that on a smaller scale. [00:48:54] Speaker B: Yeah. To be like, oh, hey, don't go that way. Hear that whistling. That's where the rocks. [00:48:58] Speaker A: I'd be very interested in, like, the politics of the building of this because the degree to which, like, you know, they were stubborn about doing it in spite of, you know, a first surveyor saying, this isn't going to work. A second surveyor dying. Like, the, the trouble building this, the. The expense that just ballooned and ballooned and ballooned. This feels like there had to have been some, like, political hang up here, that someone was deeply invested in this, whether because of some sort of, like, business contract or for, like, their image as a politician or something of the sort. Because otherwise it's like, it was the Fresnel guy. Yeah, I bet it was the Lynn you know, there's. Yeah. I wonder, because there's a lot of. That kind of stuff that comes up, like, in Astoria. There's, like, the Flavelle House there. And, like, that guy was sort of involved in a lot of, like, politics and business of the area and, you know, was kind of hated in that area. There's. Yeah. So I'm curious as to, like, how much just all of this was because, like, some dumbass's political career was riding on this lighthouse being built, you know? [00:50:12] Speaker C: Yeah. I. [00:50:13] Speaker B: Politics. [00:50:14] Speaker C: I, like, was cursing myself for, like, I didn't start researching this, like, super late, but I felt, like, late enough that I didn't actually get to. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:25] Speaker C: Follow every single rabbit trail that I wish I could have. Like, definitely gonna read more about this. [00:50:31] Speaker A: For sure. Absolutely. Like, I mean. [00:50:35] Speaker B: And now we gotta go to D. [00:50:36] Speaker A: Well, yeah, now you have to go see it, for one. [00:50:39] Speaker B: I mean, there are other reasons to go to Tilburg. [00:50:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Yes. But I think, like, this is, like I said, it does my heart glad to have you, like, get into this, because this really is what it's like whenever I start researching something that is, like, pertaining to maritime. Because it's like, there are so many elements that come together to allow something like this to happen that, like, cause, like, people to invest in it. Like, there's, you know, whenever you dig under the surface of all of this kind of stuff that you always find out, like, just so much about the politics of the area and, like, what was the politics and the economic circumstances of the area. I haven't been to Astoria in probably a decade now, but, like, it's such an interesting place. I saw you were wearing the Goonies shirt. I was, like, thematic. Love that. But one of the things that, like, so. So the Goonies, right. Is about Astoria becoming, like, economically depressed and developers coming in to try to, like, take it over, and so they're trying to, like, save the town. Right. Like, that's, like, the entire thing. And Astoria's kind of been that way for decades. And I don't know how much revitalization has happened in the past decade. Certainly they were starting to try to, like, gentrify it, you know, from so between like, the first time that I'd been there in, like, 2009 to going there in, like, 2015, that it had gone from, like, you know, a ton of empty storefronts and things like that and, like, really broken down to, like, you know, the really nice breweries coming in and stuff like that. But still a lot of that economic depression, like, in that area, because you're looking at a place that was built for its proximity to the sea, an extremely dangerous area in proximity. And we have moved into different ways of getting things from place to place. We've moved into businesses that rely less on traveling through that corridor and stuff like that. And so you end up with a town that is, like, okay, we've have historically functioned on one model, and now that that's not there, what happens? And that's the kind of thing that I love to, like, kind of uncover. [00:53:01] Speaker B: Even, like, the beer will save them. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Beer will save a story, like, straight up. That's been. Every time we've gone, there's been a little more beer than the time before. And even to your, like, thing about, you know, them putting in a telephone line. Right. Like, if you read Eric Larson at all, he wrote a book, Thunderstruck, about the invention of wireless telegraphy and how that became, like, you know, a thing and how it was used and whatnot. And so you're getting into, like, the ability to communicate for these guys, also being reliant on this, like, race to create a new technology that was happening in Europe, you know, like, there's all these kinds of things that are happening that come together to put us on this rock. With Nasty Nelly or Terrible Tilly? Terrible Tilly. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Nasty Nelly, though. That's. [00:53:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd hang out with Nasty Nelly. [00:53:56] Speaker C: You know, a few miles down the coast. [00:53:58] Speaker B: Yeah, close. I. I just want to clarify, just for any Oregonian listening, I had to check because I was thinking, I think Tillamook is south of Cannon Beach. It is still a book. Lighthouse is north of Cannon beach, which we've seen, but these cities. [00:54:15] Speaker C: Not be. [00:54:15] Speaker A: Part of actual Tillamook. [00:54:18] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Well, I mean, Tillamook is. Is, you know, the. The city itself. [00:54:24] Speaker C: Yes. It's south. [00:54:25] Speaker B: It's right next to Tillamook Forest. Yeah. Tillamook Lighthouse is. Is north. So. [00:54:29] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:54:30] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Okay. I mean, I'm sure it's like kind of one of those things. Like, based on the name, I'm going to guess it came from an indigenous. [00:54:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I would assume so. [00:54:37] Speaker A: There's probably stuff named that because in that general vicinity. So now the. I know you said you couldn't find a whole bunch of stuff on, like, it's modern things or whatever, but, like, it's just sitting there then. [00:54:51] Speaker C: Well, so I. I know, like, a v. I know the timeline vaguely of, like, some stuff that's happened, and I. I know some things about it, but because it was sold to Private parties. Like, you know, there's. There's not as much information. Right. But there are some very interesting things that have happened since it was sold to. To private parties in the. In the 70s, a GE executive based out of New York bought it, I believe, from some folks out of Las Vegas, and he kind of wanted to turn it into like a, you know, summer retreat type deal. Yeah, I do. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Also, he read zero things. Right, right. [00:55:41] Speaker C: Yeah. I read also that some folks. And I'm not sure if it's the same people, and I'm not sure if it was before or after because there's just like some. Some varying reports there. But some folks had wanted to turn it into, like a bed and breakfast, and then they were like, oh, a bed and breakfast in the literal middle of the ocean is where you're like, yeah, yeah. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Never know whether you're going to be able to, like, access it. It or not. [00:56:06] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Isn't the idea of a bed and breakfast, too, that, like, you're gonna have your breakfast and you're gonna go and then you leave? There's nothing to enjoy this. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. They didn't think that one through all the way. [00:56:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:19] Speaker A: So it's like this feels like someone was pulling, like an. I've got a bridge to sell you on all of these people. Like, I got this great plot of land for you. Absolutely. [00:56:28] Speaker C: Yes. [00:56:28] Speaker B: My stupid dad won't give me my inheritance until I come up with a business plan. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Once again. Just wait. I have more stories of things that people have done. So back to the GE guy. There is actually a really fascinating video on YouTube of him and some other people and his wife, like, going there and there's footage of them. It's from 1978. They're, like, on the rock. They're cleaning up a ton of bird. [00:57:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:04] Speaker C: And, like, just. It feels like they are really playing up how great it is and how optimistic they are that this is gonna be a great place because it's totally wrecked. Like, they hadn't been there in a while, and I think they had. I think that they had gone, like, once or twice before, and then they couldn't for a year. And then when they went back, like. Yeah. When they went back, it was just like, so much storm damage and animals, you know? [00:57:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:34] Speaker C: Being. [00:57:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Just doing their animal things, you know. [00:57:37] Speaker C: Yeah. And I. I do recommend watching that video. [00:57:42] Speaker A: I want to. I want to watch all these videos. I'm so in. [00:57:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Because, like, it was so weird just to hear them, like, talk about this place and, like, Their plans for it. And then as, as far as like every source that I saw talking about these people, after the last time that they went there, they sold it like pretty much within a few days. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yes. Like, this is. We can't pull this off. Right. Nobody's buying it, right? [00:58:08] Speaker C: Yeah. So they said nuts to this, you know, this is going to be somebody else's problem because like at this point it is almost impossible to reach it without a helicopter. Yeah. And like also, even with a helicopter, like the area that they have to land is very small, not big. Yeah. [00:58:28] Speaker A: That is a very small island. [00:58:30] Speaker C: Yeah. So like the things rich people will do, like. [00:58:34] Speaker A: I know, right? Seriously. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Honestly though, keep it up. Rich people, if you're listening. [00:58:38] Speaker A: Yeah, seriously. Yeah. The murder Basalt Island. [00:58:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:47] Speaker A: So. [00:58:47] Speaker C: So in 1980 it was bought by some real estate investors. You guys were right on the money there. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:56] Speaker C: And one of their names was Missy Morissette. I can't remember the other ladies. [00:59:01] Speaker A: Good name. [00:59:02] Speaker C: Yeah. And they, they had some like investors backing them. And this is one of my favorite, like I've been like sitting on this this whole time. They decided to create the Eternity at Sea. Columbarium. [00:59:17] Speaker A: Columbarium. [00:59:19] Speaker C: So a columbarium I learned is. I learned so many things. A columbarium is a place that you inter earns. And the reason why it's called that I learned this too is it's like based off of the like Latin word Columbia, which means dove. Which like, you know, like doves, houses are like, like man made doves. Like where they keep them are like these little honeycombs. [00:59:49] Speaker B: What year did you say? [00:59:50] Speaker C: Windows? [00:59:51] Speaker B: This is a cocaine decision, but I'm seeing it. I am seeing it. [00:59:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:57] Speaker B: Columbia Columbarium. Birds out there. If we put dead people, it won't affect anything. Boom. Let's go. Come on. [01:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Print money. [01:00:09] Speaker C: So, so they turned it into a columbarium and they were like, you know, we're gonna like so many people that love the ocean. Like we're gonna give them their final resting place of like being out at sea, like, you know, whatever. And like people would pay in between a thousand and five thousand dollars to have a space in terrible Tilly. Yeah. Like I think the, the like tower was like the preferred area. Like so that was the expense for. [01:00:41] Speaker A: The people who want to be interred where their family can never see them again. [01:00:45] Speaker C: Right, Right. Yeah. In, in a video I watched from like a kind of news report about this from just a few years ago when it had come up for sale again. They interviewed this really elderly lady who. And she didn't want to be shown on camera. So you see like her hand like pointing at some old pictures and stuff. But like her mother was interned there and she said like, she wishes she wasn't there. [01:01:16] Speaker A: She can't. Yeah, she can't go visit or anything like that. Yeah, yeah. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but loved the sea that. [01:01:23] Speaker C: Much, much that, you know, and like the, the people that were like in charge of this eternity at sea thing, you know, they, when they were asked, like, well, what happens if it's like hit by a tsunami? It like falls into the ocean. And they were like, well, you just have to know ahead of time that that's a possibility. Like you may be, you may have an. [01:01:45] Speaker A: They will really be resting at sea. Yeah, exactly. That is always a possibility. [01:01:50] Speaker C: Yeah. And they were just like convinced that this is going to bring in the big bucks. Like, they were like, yeah, this is like a over $1 billion endeavor. Like, like they were like, this is going to, you know, and they, they even like to do. [01:02:06] Speaker B: They're okay. We always got to remember they're different. Like they're defrauding investors, like. [01:02:12] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, exactly. [01:02:14] Speaker B: They're lying to people who are definitely going to give them money. [01:02:17] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, totally. Yeah. [01:02:20] Speaker A: Like, it's true. [01:02:21] Speaker C: You know, they, they, they have all these like plans, you know, so called that like they can make modifications to the, the building that they can store like 300,000 urns inside. Let me tell you how many are there at the moment? [01:02:38] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:02:39] Speaker A: How many? [01:02:39] Speaker C: Do you have a guess? [01:02:41] Speaker A: I'm gonna say there are 37 urns in there. [01:02:47] Speaker B: 500,000. [01:02:49] Speaker C: There are 30 earns. There are 30 earns. Actually, I think at the moment there's actually 28. Because at some point in the early 90s, a couple vandals did break in somehow. [01:03:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:07] Speaker C: Stole two urns. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Hire those vandals. [01:03:10] Speaker A: Like. [01:03:11] Speaker B: Yes, if you, if you get to do that. [01:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I want to steal two urns. [01:03:18] Speaker C: Yeah. I. Okay, we're gonna write a heist movie. [01:03:22] Speaker B: Here we go. [01:03:22] Speaker C: Like, why they stole these urns. [01:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:25] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:26] Speaker A: It's like national treasure. But yeah. On this weird little island. [01:03:32] Speaker B: On Tilly's head, she rests. [01:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:37] Speaker C: So. So it was a columbarium, like officially from 1980 until 1999 at which. [01:03:47] Speaker B: Okay, you just said 1980. This was a cocaine decision. [01:03:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Okay. [01:03:51] Speaker B: And that's why all the investors were like, yeah, yeah, definitely. [01:03:54] Speaker C: Totally. [01:03:55] Speaker A: Billion dollars. [01:03:56] Speaker B: I can't think of one. [01:03:58] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. And. And so they they ended up losing their license, like, as a cemetery. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Of course, they're losing the bodies while the ashes there because. [01:04:12] Speaker C: Well, and also. Yeah. So partially due to poor maintenance of the structure, but also partially because they had already been late in renewing their license. And then they applied again in 2005, and they were denied. [01:04:28] Speaker A: Okay. [01:04:29] Speaker B: They got paid so much money to do nothing. [01:04:31] Speaker A: Right. [01:04:32] Speaker B: Why is the boredom. [01:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:33] Speaker B: Way to go, ladies. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Grifter's gonna grift. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, girl boss. Yeah. [01:04:41] Speaker A: They are unbothered. Their clients are dead. It's fine. [01:04:46] Speaker C: Right? [01:04:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Who we hurt? No one. Okay. [01:04:48] Speaker C: Yeah. So now it. It pretty much has no functional purpose. The rock itself is considered, or it is, like, part of the Oregon, like, island. What? I have it written down somewhere. Oregon Islands National Wildlife Refuge. So even the owners are not allowed to go there during, like, seabird nesting time. [01:05:14] Speaker B: Oh, wow. So they. They've taken it back over. [01:05:17] Speaker C: Yeah. So, like, it is just totally overrun with birds and sea lions and, like, is still being reclaimed bit by bit. It. I. I didn't mention this earlier, but, like, they even, like, tried to, you know, preserve the rock by putting, like, concrete and. And things on it to, like, try to make it not be constant erode. [01:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:41] Speaker C: Like, shooting into the lighthouse. But, like, at this point, like, you know, it's not gonna. That's not lasting. So pretty much it is just being taken, like, reclaimed again. Yeah. By the sea, which is great. [01:05:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:56] Speaker C: And it. The. The rock is also, like. Or I think the lighthouse, too, is included in, like, the, like, national historical. Like. Like. [01:06:05] Speaker A: Like register or whatever. [01:06:06] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, historic locations. [01:06:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:11] Speaker C: So, yeah, it's. It's. I don't know, like, something I'm gonna keep. Keep reading about and keep learning about history because, like, I was running into so many interesting people and, like, stories just, like, there were so many things about other maritime that I was, like, seeing as I was like, oh, I want to talk about this, and I want to talk about this, and I, like, had to pare it down because, like, terrible. Tilly alone, like, deserves the spot. [01:06:39] Speaker A: She's done a lot. Yeah. But got a lot going on. [01:06:42] Speaker C: If you read about this, you'll find so many cool rabbit holes to go down. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:06:46] Speaker A: Oh, and I am on board for this, and I definitely recommend, since you guys are there and you love Astoria and everything, going to that museum up there now that you. Now that you're, you know, tuned in to the frequency of the craziness of maritime history in that area, like, go check out that bar museum In Astoria. It is like. It's wild. Yeah. [01:07:08] Speaker B: And if we. If we're driving anyone to the Oregon coast while you're in Astoria, check out Fort George Brewing. [01:07:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Fort George Brewing. Obelisk, I think I have. [01:07:19] Speaker B: Fort George is huge and great, great too. [01:07:21] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:07:21] Speaker A: We. We have hats from Fort George with a little Astoria column on it. [01:07:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Oh, we climbed the. Well, I climbed the historia column. [01:07:29] Speaker C: I. I didn't. I know myself. I know myself. [01:07:32] Speaker B: It's a great. [01:07:32] Speaker A: This is not gonna be worth it. [01:07:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:34] Speaker B: If you get out there on a day that's clear, which we were fortunate enough to do, it is gorgeous. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Yeah. They do they cheese curds at that at Fort George, by the way. Or at least they did a decade ago. [01:07:46] Speaker B: They also. [01:07:48] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And also another place that has some like, museum about this is there's a place at Cannon beach that has like some maritime. Yeah. Cool things and they. I think they have the last like log entry of the keeper, like the. [01:08:09] Speaker A: Day that it was commissioned. Yeah. I love lighthouse logs. [01:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So. And like that guy too, like, spoke of it so fondly. [01:08:18] Speaker A: He was like, so interesting. [01:08:19] Speaker C: Lighthouse that has done such great humanitarian efforts like throughout these 70 something years that it's been in commission. You know, like, we're sorry to see you go. And that's also something so interesting is like a lot of the people, like comments and things on videos and stuff that I was looking at were like people that are like, oh, you know, this lighthouse was. Was still running when I was a kid. It's so sad that it's fallen into disrepair. Like the complete opposite, you know, reaction of the locals when it was being built. They were like, don't do it. [01:08:49] Speaker A: Right. That is fascinating in and of itself. [01:08:53] Speaker C: Yeah. How history and like people's perspectives and context of things change over time and like their reaction to stuff. [01:08:59] Speaker B: It's also just such a, like, I don't know, it really says something about humans that we will put. Put ourselves through hell for nothing and then still look back on it fondly. [01:09:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And still be like, wasn't that great? What a time. Wouldn't trade it for anything. [01:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Life is pretty great if that's how people feel about it. [01:09:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Seriously. And let me tell you, lighthouse keepers are of a different stock than the rest. [01:09:25] Speaker B: They have to be. [01:09:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:26] Speaker A: Completely different. [01:09:28] Speaker C: Yeah. So I'm definitely gonna send you some more pictures. [01:09:32] Speaker A: Please do. I will put them a bunch of videos and stuff. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm like, legitimately, I'm gonna make Some PO boys after this and probably sit and make Kia watch some maritime videos with. Oh, my God. Yay. I am so on board. Thank you very much, Anna, for. For telling us that little tale. [01:09:53] Speaker C: Of course. [01:09:55] Speaker A: Right up my alley. You know your target audience, so I appreciate that deeply. Before you. Before you guys head off on the rest of your evening adventures, I would love to know if you have. We started with this with Ryan last week because, you know, she's a bookseller. Do you have a book or a movie that everyone should. Or a TV show that everyone should watch this week, this month? Whatever. You know what, what should people move to the top of their list right now? [01:10:23] Speaker C: I would say for me, I. I have actually just exited a very long reading slump, and I feel great about it. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Best feeling. [01:10:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I realized that I love CJ Leeds as an author. [01:10:40] Speaker A: Oh, nice. Very nice. [01:10:42] Speaker C: Yeah. I think you guys. Did Maeve fly. [01:10:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:46] Speaker C: So I read that one and I really enjoyed it. But the one of hers that I liked even more was American Rapture. [01:10:53] Speaker A: I've heard great things about that one. [01:10:55] Speaker C: I. I feel like there's things in it that you're going to be like, you know, like, I'm, like, I'm interested to see if you read it, like, what you think about it. [01:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I didn't. I didn't like Mayfly, but. [01:11:08] Speaker C: Right. [01:11:08] Speaker A: You know, I am. The subject matter of American Rapture appeals to me a little more. [01:11:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I listened to the audiobook, and I honestly think that is the book that broke me out of the slump because, like, I've been trying to read different things for a really long time, and, like, I just. Just was having a hard time returning to them. Like, even if I was having fun, like, I would forget I was listening to it and just never. But this one, I. I read, like, so fast, and it has a lot of themes pertinent to my own life as an ex Fundamental Baptist. The. The character in it has a Catholicism background, so a little different, but honestly, scarily similar in just the. The restrictions that are placed on religious, particularly people that are raised as women. And I just. And it was also set in Wisconsin, which is, like, mild stuff. [01:12:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's wild. [01:12:10] Speaker C: And, like, just. It was so weird to read a book that was talking about places I've literally been and, like, grew up in and, like, lived and know and, like, places that people not from there would have no idea. Like, that's even a real city, you know? And so it was just like a warm hug and then, like, really, really great Horror. Like, super effective horror. And I really like her writing style, and I'm going to read literally anything she puts out at this point. [01:12:39] Speaker A: Beautiful. [01:12:39] Speaker C: Yeah. American rapture. Check it out. [01:12:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I definitely want to give that one a go. And one thing I really did like about Mayfly is having lived in Anaheim. It was a similar sort of thing. I was like, oh, my gosh. She really. She really knows the Anaheim LA area. Like, holy shit. This is very much like, just reading about my town. [01:12:58] Speaker C: So frustrating when something supposedly set somewhere and you're like, I don't think you've even ever been there before. [01:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, it's like you pointed out a map and we're like, it's where it's gonna go. [01:13:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:08] Speaker B: It's also just a reminder for writers that the things that feel normal and every day to you. [01:13:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Are not mundane. [01:13:17] Speaker A: Like, totally. [01:13:18] Speaker B: They're gonna connect with other people. [01:13:19] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Representing it in a way that is real. People will be like, I've been there. [01:13:25] Speaker A: Yes, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. [01:13:28] Speaker C: And then not a stupid detail. I'm reading this. I am there, right? [01:13:32] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:33] Speaker C: I have this mental map. I know where I am based on where this character is. There was one part that, like, they go to this, like, kind of tourist trap that's notorious in Wisconsin called the House on the Rock, which I almost talked about today. [01:13:50] Speaker A: Yeah. That sounds familiar. [01:13:52] Speaker C: It's so cool. And I've. I've been there. And the way she was describing it and, like, I was just like, oh, my God. Like, I'm transported to this place right now that's, like, so remote and, like. No, like, if you don't live in Wisconsin or, you know, the Midwest, at least, you probably haven't heard of it before. [01:14:11] Speaker A: Right. [01:14:12] Speaker C: And it sounds unbelievable. It sounds like a place that shouldn't exist, but it does. And I've been there. And, like, it was so cool. Like, yeah, yeah. [01:14:22] Speaker A: So into it. So CJ leads American Rapture is Anna's pick for what you need to move to the top of your list. [01:14:31] Speaker C: Yes. [01:14:32] Speaker A: What about you, Steve? [01:14:33] Speaker B: Well, you know, I'm not shilling for HBO right now, but the new season of Harley Quinn started. [01:14:43] Speaker A: Oh, nice. Pretty recently. [01:14:44] Speaker B: Harley Quinn is awesome. Love it. [01:14:47] Speaker A: I've heard really good things about that, too. [01:14:48] Speaker B: If you haven't seen that or Kite man, go check it out. [01:14:51] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:14:52] Speaker B: Also, and I listen, I'm not taking money from hbo. Mike White, though. You can send me a check. White Lotus season three starts. [01:15:01] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:01] Speaker B: Started today, I guess. Oh, did it Streaming. Yeah. I love I love White Lotus. [01:15:07] Speaker A: This is. I love the first season. I hated the second season, but I am, like, back on board for third season. [01:15:11] Speaker B: So opposite reaction. [01:15:14] Speaker A: Oh, how funny. [01:15:15] Speaker C: I didn't hate it. I didn't hate the first season, but it stressed me out so bad that it literally took us forever to watch it. Yeah, he had seen it before, but he was even a little bit, like, frustrated with how long it was taking us to watch it because I was like, oh, my God, I want to die right now. [01:15:29] Speaker B: It literally took months to get through. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah, that is so funny. I feel like that's the thing, though, is like, my complaint is always, like, the first season has, like, a variety of different things that are going on with people. And it is stressful because it's like, there's like, all this shit going on. Whereas the second season, like, the only problem anyone has at any point is sex. And I'm like, I don't relate to it. It doesn't stress me out. [01:15:54] Speaker B: All about sex. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Yeah. And he said that, like, he. That's specifically what that season is supposed to be about. And I was like, I just do not relate to people who have zero the interests. Like, zero. Anything else going on besides having sex with each other and blowing up their lives. Yeah. [01:16:13] Speaker C: I love seeing rich people get destroyed over petty. [01:16:18] Speaker B: That is the wonderful thing. [01:16:20] Speaker C: Whatever takes you down, I'm here. [01:16:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Here for it. Yeah. So I'm very interested to see where the third one goes because I haven't. Like, he said there's a theme for each season. I don't know what the third one. [01:16:29] Speaker B: I'm excited. Yeah, I'm very interested. This is. This is a show that I watch week to week when it comes. [01:16:35] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [01:16:35] Speaker B: Same with Harley Quinn. We've been watching week to week when it comes out because I. I miss appointment television. [01:16:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, totally. [01:16:44] Speaker B: Hbo as a channel. I miss cable being affordable. I miss. [01:16:47] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Things. [01:16:48] Speaker A: Right, exactly. Like, I'm so on board for those. That was this. This week. I. I mean, it is. It's like the mix of things where I'm like, I misspoint with television also. Sometimes it gets somewhere and I'm like, oh, no, I don't have any more to watch because I started watching. [01:17:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that's Paradise. [01:17:05] Speaker A: Have you. Have you guys heard of Paradise? It's an interesting. Like, it's a hard one to talk about without giving anything away about it, but, like, the basic premise of it, because it has a big twist at the end of the first episode, but the basic premise of it is Sterling K. Brown plays, like, basically, like, a Secret Service agent for the president who is played by James Marsden. And basically he's like, listen, I'm gonna do my four years here, whatever. It's like, he's already been president once. He's four more years gonna get through his presidency. He's like, then I'm gonna retire to, like, an island. I'm gonna chill out. You can come with me. You'll be my security. Then you just gotta keep me alive for four years. And then, like, immediately we find out he's been killed. So Sterling K. Brown is trying to figure out, you know, he locks everything down. He's trying to figure out who killed the president here. And then there's, like, a bigger, overarching reason why this is even more crazy that someone has just killed the president. And so there's six episodes or five episodes out now somewhere in that vicinity. And I watched them all, and then I was like, oh, this is a weekly show. [01:18:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:08] Speaker A: So, you know, now I have to wait. I think it's like, Tuesday that it airs or whatever. I have to wait till then. But my. My pick for what? Everyone, you know, who doesn't want to get to a point and then be like, oh, no. With what they're watching is apple cider vinegar on Netflix. I just watched that today. Stars Caitlyn, Caitlin. Why am I blanking on her last name? The one from no one will save you. And I don't know, man, that one. Deaver. Caitlyn Deaver. That's Caitlyn Deaver, who's phenomenal. I love her. And she plays an Australian wellness influencer. It was a real person named Belle Gibson who faked having cancer. You've heard about her? Yeah, it's crazy. And it kind of juxtaposes her story with this other Australian wellness influencer who did have cancer, but also hawked natural cures and, like, kind of juxtaposes their stories against each other and things like that. And I think it's handled very well because I think the thing about it is, like, it does take, like, a compassionate view towards the desperation of the, like, one who had cancer and wanted to believe in natural causes. Like, she's still. What she did was fucked up getting other people to forego treatment for this stuff. But, like, I think people watching it will, like, not feel attacked by it the way it would be if it was just about the. The wellness influencer who faked it. It's like, it is giving some, like, listen, we understand people are. Are desperate and they do Shit, they shouldn't or whatever. It's not just us going, look at these idiots, you know, but it is a crazy story. Eight episodes, I think. And I went through them like, super fast. I started it yesterday and finished it this morning while grading, so. Apple cider vinegar on Netflix. I recommend for a good quick what the white women watch. [01:20:00] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Yeah, I. I have. I won't go into too much detail, but I have close family members that did treat cancer that way. And so that's. That's something that I'm almost like, oh, God, do I even. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right. [01:20:15] Speaker C: My childhood, like, dealing with these crazy remedies. [01:20:20] Speaker A: And so, yeah, this is. You know, Keo's family is very. Like, his sister and whatnot. Are very into the homeopathic stuff and everything. And you're just like, come on. Good Lord. So, yeah, I recommend that. And what. Finally, what are. What are we watching on Hell Rankers this week, guys? [01:20:40] Speaker C: Oh, so by the time this episode comes out, the Patreon video will probably be up. Yeah, It's a Patreon pick. [01:20:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:50] Speaker C: We drew our good friend Lori's submission. [01:20:55] Speaker A: Hail Satania. [01:20:56] Speaker C: Yes. The 2010 Don't Go in the Woods. [01:21:01] Speaker B: Directed by Vincent D'Onofrio. [01:21:02] Speaker C: Directed by Vincent D'onofrio. [01:21:05] Speaker B: It's a. It's a horror musical, an emo horror music. [01:21:10] Speaker A: You're just saying things at this point. [01:21:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, that's what it is. [01:21:13] Speaker C: You're doing. Saying things and then singing and. [01:21:16] Speaker A: Amazing. Just beautiful. [01:21:18] Speaker C: It has to be seen to be believed. [01:21:20] Speaker B: It really does. [01:21:21] Speaker A: Okay. I'm into it. I love it. I also realized, just because of the way this is set up, that I did not introduce you guys at all. But everyone knows. What's up, Hollywood Steve, Your palanakers go listen to their podcast and watch what sounds like a truly unhinged sort of film. Yeah. [01:21:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's worth it. [01:21:40] Speaker A: I'm excited. [01:21:41] Speaker B: Definitely gonna have your mind blown. [01:21:43] Speaker A: Yes. Like I said, as a week behind. So I was. I just finished Space Jamie. [01:21:46] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:21:48] Speaker A: On there for Trash Tuesday the other day while I was walking to and from the library. So I'm excited for. For this action. Thank you so much, Anna and Steve for joining. Thank you, Anna, for telling us a lovely maritime based story. And I can't wait to deep dive and I hope other people will as well. And I will post everyone look on our. Our socials and whatnot. I will post whatever video and things Anna sense to me. And with that, I would like you all to stay spooky.