Ep. 271: an exemplary week on sh*tclown island

[00:00:04] Speaker A: This is Jack of all graves. This is an opener that is dedicated to Melanie in New Zealand. This one's all for you and for the people of New Zealand amongst whom we are beloved, of course. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Statues and whatnot. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Statues in our honor. They've named a town after us, I believe. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Small township of no more than 400 people, all of whom listen to us. And all called Mark for the boys and Corrigan of the girls. [00:00:38] Speaker B: Oh, all of them are named that? [00:00:40] Speaker A: Yes, yes, It's. It's one of the. [00:00:42] Speaker B: They didn't. They didn't name the town after us. They named the town's people after. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Yes, all the boys call Marco and all the girls. [00:00:51] Speaker B: What an honor. What an honor. [00:00:53] Speaker A: So listen, it's been just an. What a exemplary week it's been on island, man, honestly. Right? And it. We aren't. We are. The we are. I keep. I feel like I've said this about a zillion trillion times, right? But we aren't a news podcast. We aren't a politics podcast. We aren't the current events podcast. We're not. We're fucking watching the end of the world, right? We can't look away. It's literally fucking scarred my retinas this week. I wish I could blink. God damn, I wish I could fucking look at something else for 10 minutes to distract me from things fucking not even. Even gently sliding away from us. They're just plummeting away from us. Things are falling apart at a phenomenal rate, and I can't help but gaze. And I want to make sure that the stories that reach you out there off the shores of fucking Shit Clown Island, I want to make sure that you're hearing the story right. I want to make sure that you're getting the same story as I'm getting, because the story that you are told is often not the story that's playing out. We've seen this so many times. There are fucking people. Your fucking. Your friends, your neighbors, the people you walk past on the street are in the same space but not the same fucking dimension as you, right? There are about 50 different fucking narratives going on within the same fucking train carriage on Shit Clown island in 2026, right? So I need you to know what's really going on. So I'm gonna try and talk about it, right? And if you would like to call this episode an exemplary week on Shitcloud island, my good friend Corrigan, then do, please feel free. Right? [00:02:38] Speaker B: You always recommend that I name things, stuff that's like, gonna get us kicked out of the. The store, the itunes or whatever. Like I can't name it that. I can't call it. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Why can't you call it An Exemplary Week on Shit Clone Island, I think is a fantastic. All right, maybe I like it. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Don't get me wrong. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Maybe somebody would like to write a book with that title. [00:03:00] Speaker B: There you go. [00:03:01] Speaker A: I know we have lots of authors who are friends of a podcast. Good people, intelligent people, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I look forward to reading an exemplary Week on Shit Clown island soon. Coming at you from Gibson's Bookstore. So as if, as if we weren't in enough disarray, right. As if we weren't generating enough column inches or fucking rolling news minutes currently politically. Right. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:31] Speaker A: We're about to have worries. I think our fucking 19th Prime Minister of the last year, possibly or thereabouts. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:42] Speaker A: And as if that wasn't enough, there are two events playing out right now that have the strangest connection, the strangest links between the two of them. It's so fascinating and I need, I need, I need, I need you to. I need to know what you think. I need to know what, what, what is being said of us right now here, Corrigan. [00:04:06] Speaker B: Interesting. Yeah. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Is anything being said of us out there? [00:04:10] Speaker B: Well, you know what, one thing I, I will say because we have talked about the fact that like British news doesn't really hit here very often, but I think Americans, at least online Americans are pretty taken with your Count Bin face, right? Yeah, we are. I think every. I don't know that like your average American, they're not talking about it on CNN or Ms. Now or whatever that shit is, but like if you're online. Okay, Americans are like really into this. [00:04:45] Speaker A: So. Re. Fucking wind. Right? [00:04:48] Speaker B: Yes, please. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yes, please rewind. Because you firstly, you need to know how confected and fake this whole fucking nonsense is that we are currently in the midst of right now. Okay, sure. [00:05:06] Speaker B: I mean the guy with the trash can head was certainly an indication, but. [00:05:10] Speaker A: But that's such a tiny part of why this is all such horseshit. Yeah, he's. If anything, Bin Faces is. Is part of a actually long standing, quite noble, well regarded British tradition of political satirists posting joke candidates in elections to, to. To kind of scoop up attention and to claim a moment of ridicule and. And daddest absurdity in the spotlight of. Of the political structures that the UK works itself within and around. Right. Kind of pumping face is not the idiotic one about any of this. He's much like pantomime or, you know, just theatrical artifice of politics. The satirical joke candidate is a part of, is as British an institution as you could possibly wish for. Right, yeah. [00:06:03] Speaker B: And we. And we get those here as well, for sure. So. Yeah. I mean it. I think. Yeah. Highlights the ridiculousness of the system. Right? It's like that's part of having these kinds of candidates. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Yes, but what. It's what is happening around him that is the most ridiculous of all of this. Right? [00:06:29] Speaker B: Because it's a ridiculous situation. Draw us a map. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Okay, I. Fuck, man, I. I almost kind of feel like the. I'm. I almost don't want to fucking Beetlejuice this cunt name into existence, but I. Fucking. Plenty of times I've used the Marco Prediction Future algorithmic method of predicting future events. Right? And it works. But it seems to have failed me this time because there is now, I can see no fucking way now that we're going to end up with this guy, this Nigel Farage, as our next Prime Minister. It simply cannot happen from here. I do not believe right now. [00:07:05] Speaker B: Okay, and you thought that that was. [00:07:07] Speaker A: I was convinced, Absolutely convinced. The way that the. OR just over the past six months, the British political landscape has completely changed. Tectonic plates, paradigms have shifted. Insert your fucking cliche, right? We are not the same country politically as we were even three years ago. And it's been fucking wild, but it's only pointing in one direction and it's all the way over there to the right. Okay? So what we do have in this guy, right, is an opportunist, right? A grifter. An horrific, opportunistic, self centered, lion grifting son of a bitch. But he has a hero, Corrigan. He has a fucking idol. He has a playbook that he is following so transparently, and it is that of your current ruler in chief. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Which I've expressed such shock over many times over the past, you know, year or so watching various, like reform politicians and in many ways labor and things like that follow in the footsteps of our politicians or attempt to. [00:08:26] Speaker A: And you've done a great job in helping me explain some of this. The guy that I'm speaking of here is the head of a party known as Reform Erstwhile, known as the Brexit Party. Further right than the Conservatives, but with the goal of extricating us from the European Union, isolating us from a trading bloc, and under the guise of just such paper thin, flimsy notions of sovereignty and control, encouraging us basically with the most thinly disguised racist and anti immigrant rhetoric appealing to the basest of populist sloganeering. And without anything resembling a workable manifesto or a credible kind of political kind of claim to stake to anything, really. [00:09:22] Speaker B: They don't have a project 2025. [00:09:24] Speaker A: They have nothing. They have nothing. But have somehow. And it. I don't even have to say somehow, it's quite clear how they've done it and we'll talk more on that. But maneuver themselves into a position above what would in. In terms of polling numbers and in terms of air quotes popularity, above and beyond the two party system the UK is labored under, no pun intended, for my entire lifetime. Right? [00:09:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:52] Speaker A: But when I talk about the Head of Reforms aping of your Commander in Chief, the biggest way that he seems to have gone all in on that is in the capacity to profit from political status. Right? [00:10:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:13] Speaker A: This has been absolutely creaming it in earning a buck based off his notoriety, which is. Which has helped almost like Oroburo seating its tail, right, which has almost helped fuel that notoriety online. He's known for doing cameos where he will literally say any old meme shit for people for. For a fee, which has helped his social media presence, which has helped his. Blah, blah, blah. Right. He's broadly. Just got a message in my group chat, who's gonna die tomorrow? Who knows who. [00:10:53] Speaker B: We'll get there too, for goodness sakes. [00:10:56] Speaker A: But the point is, right, the point is, one way or another, this guy in his party have become suddenly very successful, right? So when you've got a Member of Parliament, which Nigel Farage is for his constituency of Clactone Sea in Essex, when you have an actual member, a standing Member of Parliament, who is the public face of a gold bullion investment company, right? [00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah. It's the equivalent of Trump and his crypto scam. [00:11:32] Speaker A: Well, this is where this is. This is what he's found, this is what he hasn't quite been able to dodge, which has led us, I think, directly here over the past few weeks, right, A. A crypto investor has given him £5 million, right? Literally 5 million. £5 million, Corrigan. Right. £5 million. I just. That's a phenomenal AM amount of money, right? And the, the, the spectacle of watching this hastily formed cabal of ex Conservatives around Nigel Farage try to explain this away. Well, it was a personal gift. Well, he wasn't politically active at the time of the gift. You can do what you want with it then. No laws have been breached, blah, blah, blah. We know that. I hate saying his name, I hate saying his name. We know that he has continually argued against regulation in the crypto market. We know that he's lobbied pretty much consistently for years to support a kind of a, a crypto positive kind of future government kind of regulatory environment, you know, right. To move away from centralized banking because people are getting ridiculously rich off it. Right, right. But what he's potentially done here is broken the law, right? You've got not just the law, but the codes of conduct. For example, right? There's the House of Commons code of conduct. You've got to register your financial interest as an mp, you've got to declare benefits, and I'm quoting here, that could reasonably be thought capable of influencing your parliamentary activity. Right, right, right. If you're taking 5 million off a crypto investor and you're lobbying very strongly for an anti regulated, pro crypto banking environment in the uk, fuck off, pal. No chance. No chance. [00:13:41] Speaker B: This is. Okay, this raises a question out the gate for me because obviously this is, you know, our Congress people and things like that just sort of the equivalent are expected to do the same thing, are expected to disclose all of their financials and things like that. However, like these kinds of things may be norms, right? Of like you probably shouldn't just take things and, and give favors to people, but they do, right? So like say apac, right, Which I'm sure you've heard of is kind of our big one. It's the Israel lobby and they pay a good chunk of our Congress to make sure that they stay pro Israel. And that is just basically accepted. Most of our Congress gets paid millions of dollars from this pro Israel organization or like right now that's what you know with Trump, he's made just exorbitant amounts of money and also crashed his like crypto market or whatever. And like you're not supposed to do that. However, that's how it works. Social media companies giving money to, to congress people in order to make it so that they give them lax laws around regulation of those things. So this is like we all hate it, but especially since Citizens United made corporations people, it is a thing that's expected. So in British politics is there still like legally you cannot do that, you can't be bought by lobbyists. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Correct, correct. And there have been, there have been times when very recently, just our soon to be ex prime minister going a load of shit last year for accepting gifts from clothing and eyewear companies and tickets, football games and blah blah, blah. That's the kind of stuff the tabloids, that's the kind of stuff that the media absolutely seizes on and will tear you the fuck out of office for doing so. [00:15:42] Speaker B: Okay, Right. [00:15:44] Speaker A: We know you do it all the fucking time. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Like that is very much how our system works. [00:15:49] Speaker A: And so do we. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:51] Speaker A: But when the fucking media get a hold of you doing it, then, oh, hello, we could get another scalp here. Like I've said before, the news cycle will not fucking have it over here if you were seen to be just brazenly on the take. And because this guy has seen your guy do it. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:08] Speaker A: So flagrantly. And not give a single shit and just bat away criticism, he thinks he can do that too. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Right. [00:16:15] Speaker A: And the news just has not fucking let him do it. [00:16:19] Speaker B: That's so nice. Listen, I will criticize, you know, British news and things like that till, you know, the cows come home. But listen, ours isn't doing that. Ours is being real. [00:16:30] Speaker A: The news has not been. And it's been incredible watching him get more and more exasperated and wearier and wearier and wearier over the. The last couple weeks when literally every time he's in front of a mic or in front of a camera, somebody's going to talk about the 5 million. Nigel. What about the 5 million? What about the 5 million? Nigel and his party are all saying the same things and it just hasn't worked. Right? [00:16:55] Speaker B: Right. So nobody's letting him off. [00:16:57] Speaker A: So let's go to the next fucking phase here. What do you do when you're on the brink of an investigation for Parliamentary Standards? What do you do? Well, you work out that. Wait a minute, they can't investigate me if I quit. [00:17:13] Speaker B: That's really how it works. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:16] Speaker B: That just ends it. That. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Yes, it is. Because [00:17:21] Speaker B: you. [00:17:22] Speaker A: The Parliamentary standards investigations that own. That he's subject to right now only apply to sitting MPs. They only apply to MPs that are actually MPs. [00:17:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:17:33] Speaker A: So his leaving Parliament interrupts the process of investigation. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Gotcha. Okay. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Isn't it starting to get fucking weird? [00:17:42] Speaker B: Yeah, indeed. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Right, Yep. Listen, on Joe Agsville in New Zealand. You gotta fucking hear what we're saying here. It's weirder than you think. But we're in. There's so many fucking angles now because so much can now take place. He is now in a position and. And just to go back to the lines that he's using to justify his. His quitting. Right, well, I'm gonna quit because it's not up to the establishment to decide whether or not I'm being pilloried in the press. Pilloried by the, by the, you know, by the mainstream media, your mainstream news. I'm not going to stand by and just have my good name besmirched. I've done nothing wrong. I'm going to quit. [00:18:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:32] Speaker A: And we'll put the mandate in the hands of the people. We shall let them decide, we shall let them bring their best to Clacton and we shall see. We'll see who really has the power here. Is it, is it the mainstream media, is it the news or is it the people? [00:18:49] Speaker B: And I have seen some argument on the, the socials about, you know, what, what are the people of Clacton like and things like that. Just give me a picture of like, where and what Clacton is. Is it small, is it big? What is the makeup of this sort of place? Well, it matters because they're clearly picking, Right. Like they're, they're in charge here essentially of where this goes. And I find this fascinating because obviously, like, to me, from an American perspective, Britain is very small. Right. And so then like a place like Clacton that I have never heard of feels like it has to be peripheral and yet it has this like very oversized. [00:19:35] Speaker A: It's on the east coast, right? [00:19:37] Speaker B: It's on the east coast. [00:19:38] Speaker A: So you're in London. Exactly, you're going east. It's right on the coast. It's a seaside town [00:19:45] Speaker B: and the working class. Is it, you know, like what kind of. [00:19:48] Speaker A: No, I would say quite well. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:51] Speaker A: A seaside town in Essex. I imagine that would be quite well off. I'm sure to my hand and off the top of my head. I don't have much in the way of demographic and statistical intelligence on the, on this area financial and economic makeup of Clackland scene Essex. [00:20:09] Speaker B: But that is interesting. Yeah, it's just, I mean, looking at it to think of like this is a place that I think, again, a lot of online Americans know the name of now that wouldn't have a month ago. And you know, it's like, what the. What is this, this place that now. Yeah. Has this, this oversized impact and clearly were voting for him before. [00:20:31] Speaker A: So what if I told you then? Let's see. I mean, I can, I can pull up Wikipedia here. 53 and a half thousand people. [00:20:38] Speaker B: Okay. Mid sized town. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the largest seaside resort between Southend and Great Yarmouth. So you've got a resort town holiday. Yep, the Barrel. You'll have people eating their jelly deal. There's no doubt. And their cockles and muscles. Alive. Alive. [00:20:59] Speaker B: I mean it sounds really Nice. [00:21:01] Speaker A: To be honest, it does not. Um, but that's not the point, you see, because every other. Every other credible opposition party has in. In scenes I cannot recall before ever happening within my lifetime, said, are we fuck? Right? This by election is horseshit. You are calling it because you are trying to avoid scrutiny by the parliamentary council and. And you're trying to fucking hide the shadiest of income streams. You can't. We're having none of this. Right. Labor, Nigel Farage is engulfed in a sleaze scandal and he's trying to change the subject. The fucking Tories. And that, by the way, is the. The title of the party. The fucking Tories. [00:21:58] Speaker B: That's what they're called, Officially. Yeah. [00:22:01] Speaker A: They've called it a gimmick. The Lib Dems. Oh, bless them. Now we ain't having it. We're not even going to put a party up. The Green Party. The Green Party, who again, I'd love to see it sustained, but they're in ascendant over the past couple of years. We have no intention of helping to legitimize a by election designed not to serve local residents, but to serve personal political ambitions. Right. Reform, obviously, are going to plow ahead with this. Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is. This is a people versus the establishment. That's what this is. This is your chance to stand up and be counted. But it looks as though we are back again to our dear count, right? [00:22:42] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:43] Speaker A: An independent candidate, Count Benface, who is the only fucking other guy who seems to be standing against him. [00:22:49] Speaker B: That is wild. Absolutely wild. So this satirical character, and he's been around a minute, Right? He didn't. He didn't just appear just now. Right. He's been a thing for a while [00:23:02] Speaker A: in various different iterations and characters. I believe he used to call himself Lord Buckethead. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:23:10] Speaker A: He's now camping face. [00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:23:12] Speaker A: Lord Buckethead himself was played by at least three different guys over the course of his political career. [00:23:17] Speaker B: Very interesting. [00:23:18] Speaker A: It's. It's. Think of it like it's a mantle as opposed to an individual. Right? [00:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And so now this is. They're stuck with this guy, essentially. Right. I mean, so he's running against. [00:23:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:23:38] Speaker B: So he's still. I guess I'm confused by so he quits. Right? To. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Well, that's. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Even. [00:23:47] Speaker A: That in itself is arcane. And. And Wrigley to get hold of. Because an MP cannot simply quit. You can't just simply quit your job as an mp. You have to invoke a few Kind of arcane fucking parliamentary law. [00:23:59] Speaker B: So somehow he's essentially trying to cut off this investigation by not being an mp, but then he's running again, so wouldn't that just restart? [00:24:07] Speaker A: Yes, it would. Yes, it would. And that's a big risk because if he wins a fucking landslide against Benface. Right. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Right back to the same issue. [00:24:20] Speaker A: I know, but now I have a mandate. [00:24:23] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. The people want this, so the people [00:24:26] Speaker A: have overwhelmingly voted for me. [00:24:29] Speaker B: Mm. [00:24:31] Speaker A: The establishment have tried to paint this their way, and they've decided to take focus and pull focus towards themselves and refuse to even dignify this. That's what the establishment do. They've run and hidden. They fucking tuck their tails between their legs. Look, and I have got it. You know, if he loses, if Bin Face fucking swings it, there's a swing bin joke there somewhere, but I'm just too tired to find it. This was a joke. This joke was. This election was a joke. Obviously, they've. Look at. Look how they've manipulated this to appear comedic. Right. It's such a very calculated yet dangerous place that this puts us. [00:25:14] Speaker B: Yes. Well, from all accounts, from what I've been reading, like, the Bin Face, whatever he allegedly stands for or whatever, seems pretty sound, Right? If you end up with this guy, you know, it's not. [00:25:31] Speaker A: It'll be. It'll be. It'll be kind of. Yeah, I guess it'll be kind of funny to see him in Parliament sweating for a little bit. All right, fine. Cool, cool. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:41] Speaker A: So that's part one, right? [00:25:43] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Go on. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Oh, there's more. What? Corrigan? What? What? Think you speaking ill of the dead. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Oh, big fan. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Big fan. [00:25:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Speak ill of you when you're alive, I will speak ill of you when you're dead, and I will have zero guilt about it. [00:26:05] Speaker A: What a beautiful way of putting it. [00:26:08] Speaker B: I was actually. I was thinking about this. Like, it's such a. Like, it's such a weird thing because it's clearly a modern construct. At, like, no point in history have we ever appl. This, right? Like, this is a thing of the past. Like, century at most. No time in history before that, where people like, oh, yeah, you can't. You can't talk bad about the dead. Like, no, you. You. That person fucking sucked. [00:26:32] Speaker A: What if I. What if I say that I think it's actually important to speak ill of the dead who deserve it? [00:26:37] Speaker B: I would agree. Absolutely. [00:26:40] Speaker A: I think it is important to be seen by the bad who still live 100% to speak ill of the dead because they need to know that you will do it to them. Mm. [00:26:52] Speaker B: I mean, that's why they're so adamant about civility and things like that. Right. They don't want to imagine an Ebenezer Scrooge situation for themselves. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Yes. Beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. So a. A horrible, horrible person died this week, right? [00:27:11] Speaker B: That's right, yes. What was her. What was her name? [00:27:14] Speaker A: Her name was Anne Widdcom. Right. [00:27:17] Speaker B: And would come. Yes. [00:27:18] Speaker A: And you see, the thing is, she went on the. You know, the dancing program where the celebrities do the dancing, Right? [00:27:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Here it's Dancing with the Stars. But you. Was it for you guys? [00:27:32] Speaker A: It's Ricky. That's what it was. [00:27:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:34] Speaker A: And was known. She was kind of a British eccentric. [00:27:39] Speaker B: Right. Oh, gross. [00:27:41] Speaker A: An eccentric politician who was known as being a real straight shooter. Right. Was known as being a real street talker. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:52] Speaker A: Who was known as. Never. [00:27:53] Speaker B: I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Who never deviated from her lines of anti LGBTQ rights. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Of imagine going on a dance show and being anti queer. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Incredible. Incredible, incredible. Well put, well put. [00:28:17] Speaker B: The audacity. [00:28:18] Speaker A: But here's the thing, right? And W. Was 78 when she died a few days back, right? [00:28:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:26] Speaker A: Early this week. Died. Sorry, Mid. Mid to late last week. Died. I'll talk about the circumstances in a minute because they're murky and very weird. Oh, so murky. But she essentially followed Nigel Farage around in his political career for the last kind of decade or so. Right. Joining the Brexit party, joining Reform, basically. When. Where he went. So did she seemingly. [00:28:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:55] Speaker A: In. In the twilight of her political life. But I. I really can't paint enough just what a horrible old this woman was. Right. I really can't. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:09] Speaker A: She was a huge proponent of quote, unquote law. The rule of law, law and order. Right. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Yeah. The. [00:29:16] Speaker A: The. The point of prison is punishment, Right. Discipline, longer custodial sentences, proper fucking dyed in the wool. Far right or right right wing view of crime and Punishment. Right. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Mm. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Vehement leave campaigner during the referendum in 2016 joined Reform. She argued against equalizing the age of consent between. Yes, indeed, yikes. Between straight and gay men from 18 to 16. Argued against it in 1998 and again in 2000. Right. And she argued against that both times. Have you had something called a cute quaint little British law called section 28 review? That. Is that something we've ever spoken about? So Section 28, it was in a part of a local Government act in 1988 that prohibited local authorities from promotion of Homosexuality, Right, yeah. Okay. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Huh. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Now it was repealed in 2003 and quite rightly so, it discouraged, you know, it, it made it a crime basically to have actual discussions about non straight matters in Right. Relationships in schools for sake, you know what I mean? [00:30:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:50] Speaker A: And she was very vocally voted against that repeal in 2003. She In Parliament during debates, she was opposed to giving legal recognition to same sex couples, same sex adoption. [00:31:05] Speaker B: She was again really had like a beer. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, anti abortion. Sure. Throw that in as well. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Reproductive, of course. Why not? For good measure. [00:31:18] Speaker A: It just if, if you can think of a. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Was she religious? [00:31:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Huge. Hugely huge. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Because I'm always surprised, like, you know how we talked about this years ago that like the turf thing was like bizarre to me because it's basically. You had to come up with like a feminist reason over there instead of a religious. [00:31:37] Speaker A: No, her thing was Christian morality. Just preserve that Christian conventional paradigm. Right. That's where she was. Where she dug her stake into the ground and stayed there through her entire life. Which is, I'm delighted to report over. Right. [00:31:54] Speaker B: Yes. Ding dong, so on. [00:32:01] Speaker A: I think it was. When was the 8th of July? [00:32:06] Speaker B: Neither of us do numbers sometime last. [00:32:07] Speaker A: Now we don't sometimes. Right. I want to say Wednesday. She was on the tv, right. Via Zoom or whatever. [00:32:14] Speaker B: Yeah. This is crazy, by the way. The story of the timeline here is nuts. [00:32:19] Speaker A: But go on vocally defending Nigel Farage on talk TV from her home. [00:32:27] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:29] Speaker A: He's done the right thing. He should have stepped down. He's done the right thing. It's a witch hunt. He's done the right thing. Right. Later that day she had a similar appointment on another show by a fucking. Fucking fourth rate, you know, talking head kind of broadcaster on Channel 5. Guy by the name of Matt. All right. She doesn't show. H. Interesting. She's not there. That's weird. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Yeah, but not so weird. Anyone does a wellness check. This is. You've got to be like, just so like nobody gives a. For you to like not show up. And no one's like, should someone. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Well, they did, you see, they. They checked. They did check, but not until like midday the next day. [00:33:13] Speaker B: The next day. Right. Like when she didn't show up. A 78 year old woman in her home. You talked to her an hour ago. She doesn't show up for your Zoom at 12:30 or whatever. And then just like no one checks for like over 24 hours. Is wild to me. [00:33:30] Speaker A: Pretty wild. Pretty wild. Oh, Shit. She's brown bread, right? [00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:34] Speaker A: And is found at her home with serious injuries. My phone starts blowing up. The deadpool starts to fucking go off, right? Obviously, I've got the news on from, like, four different sources around me at all times. [00:33:47] Speaker B: I mean, and at first it didn't say anything about the injuries, right? [00:33:50] Speaker A: No, no, no, she's just died. She's just dying. [00:33:53] Speaker B: She's an old lady, right? [00:33:54] Speaker A: Kicked it. Later on that night, me and the. Me and Laura and the boys have got a thing. So I've got to turn the news off. Much like, you know, at the start of, like, Romero's Dead movies, where you see the media in disarray and you see the fucking arguing amongst themselves. Just as we were turning the radio off. Dad, why have you got the news on all the time? Shut up. Just as we were turning it off, right? It's interesting news. Reaching yourself and with click turned off. [00:34:22] Speaker B: That really is like. Yeah, the beginning of the movie where you turn it off just in time to miss, like. And there are zombies. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it emerges that it's now a murder investigation. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:38] Speaker A: A very interesting part of UK media and policing in 2026, and by interesting, I mean horrific, is that you've got to at least allude to the race of the suspect. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. [00:34:53] Speaker A: Right. You've got to at least give. You've got to at least take something away from the fashion to stop them from being able to jump on X and say, it's a small boat, immigrant, illegal. [00:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Mark up a grok image. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:35:10] Speaker B: Exactly who they think it is. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Exactly. So for the longest time, it's a white man that we've arrested and we don't believe the crime is politically motivated. Right, Right. That was. That was on the 11th. That was a couple of days after. They've got a guy, but they release him. They release this guy with no charge. They've just arrested some fucking shemp. There's some chump, right? They've got another guy. And until earlier today, the same line, not politically motivated, is it? [00:35:43] Speaker B: Not the same guy. [00:35:44] Speaker A: No, no, They've arrested somebody else. [00:35:46] Speaker B: No, it's. I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. Look at. Look at what? Look at what it says in there. I'm fairly certain it's the same guy because that's what Richard and I were talking about in the group chat earlier. They released him and then they picked him back up again. And we were talking about how this often happens if you don't have enough evidence, you have to release the person and then once you've collected more, you go. [00:36:08] Speaker A: And you actually arrested two different people. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I would. [00:36:16] Speaker A: New arrest, New arrest. This is definitely a different guy. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Oh, so did they arrest two people today? [00:36:23] Speaker A: Yes. No, no, no. They arrested one guy the day that they found her, let him go with no charge. They've since arrested someone else. [00:36:34] Speaker B: That's no. It says in this. [00:36:37] Speaker A: No article. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Re arrested. [00:36:45] Speaker A: But the other thing that has changed so rapidly. Right, yeah. Is that in the last couple of hours, like this evening, it's gone from, [00:36:55] Speaker B: oh, wait, yeah, no politics to now [00:36:59] Speaker A: it's terrorism to terrorism. They've got the British counter. They've got British Jack Bauer on it now. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Like that's a big switch. [00:37:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:11] Speaker B: You know, and. And this is from another, another American perspective thing. I'm sure that if it's like here, immediately all the reform people are going. This is, you know, that left violence or whatever. Where like my first thought, of course, is like, whenever a right wing person got got, it's usually a right wing person who got mad at them. [00:37:32] Speaker A: So, yes, it would seem they have arrested the same bloke again. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:37:40] Speaker A: man was arrested on Saturday. 28. 28. [00:37:44] Speaker B: 28. Okay. Still, that's quite young. [00:37:47] Speaker A: Has since been re arrested. Now this I here is what I believe has happened. They arrested a guy and then let him go. Oh, but no, another. They've just arrested one fella. [00:38:03] Speaker B: It's one guy. They probably. They arrested him, they talked to him, but you can't hold someone if you don't have evidence. And so they let him go, you know, and then as soon as they gathered enough shit, they went and arrested him for real. That is. That's what my dateline knowledge tells me here. [00:38:24] Speaker A: Well, that's where we draw this to a close. [00:38:28] Speaker B: Right? [00:38:29] Speaker A: That's. That's the fucking story. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:38:34] Speaker A: So while I'm certain that it is quite the spectacle. Yeah. To see our good friend Count Ben face canvassing votes and standing awkwardly on. On the rostrum with the other candidates. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:50] Speaker A: That's not anywhere near the real story here. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Right. There's so many layers of other shit going on. [00:38:58] Speaker A: Yeah. The situation, as the news says, often is fluid and difficult to predict. [00:39:08] Speaker B: See, at times like this, don't you just want to be Welsh? [00:39:10] Speaker A: Mark, I am Welsh. [00:39:13] Speaker B: As opposed to a Brit. [00:39:15] Speaker A: I mean, well, that's. We can have that conversation if you want, but maybe not tonight. [00:39:22] Speaker B: I'm just fucking with you mostly. But yeah, maybe someday we will have that conversation, but because I'm Constantly getting on your case about your. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything to be Welsh. Moments like this. This is. When I say I'm Welsh. [00:39:33] Speaker A: That is a misrepresentation. That is a misrepresent. Mean anything to be from anywhere, not specifically Welsh, that is. What's the word that I don't. You've misrepresented me. [00:39:50] Speaker B: Sure. [00:39:50] Speaker A: Okay. The word will come to me that I could just couldn't find in about six to eight minutes. You've got to put in the information request into the brain and then it'll come to you later on. [00:39:59] Speaker B: We'll check. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Disingenuous. Let me quote directly from my notes, if I may. [00:40:05] Speaker B: Yes, please do. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Look at these nerds. Oh, mise en scene. [00:40:10] Speaker B: I don't think anyone has ever said mise en scene in such a horny way before. [00:40:14] Speaker A: The way I whispered the word sex. [00:40:16] Speaker B: Cannibal receiving worst comes to worst. Mark, I'm willing to guillotine you for science. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Thank you. That's really, really sweet. It's cold outside, but my pancreas is talking to me. I'm fucking. I'm going to leg it. [00:40:27] Speaker B: You know how I feel about that, Mark. [00:40:29] Speaker A: I think you feel great about it. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Thank you for that, Mark. [00:40:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Welcome. I mean, I. I don't. I don't know how much it happened. I don't know if it was. If it was worth listening to. I think. I think. I think if I would. I will never listen to this back. Right. I will never listen to this. [00:40:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:51] Speaker A: That isn't to say I never do. There have been joags that I have listened back to. [00:40:55] Speaker B: You did like a week or two ago, didn't you? [00:40:57] Speaker A: I did, yeah. This will not be one of them. Because I worry about how I sound right now. If I sound like I look, then you look great. Oh, listen, it's so, so sweet that you would say so. Right. [00:41:11] Speaker B: But I know you're hard on yourself on your. Hard on yourself is what it is. [00:41:18] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Okay. [00:41:20] Speaker B: But do you want to welcome our friends? Well, you already did. I suppose I already did. [00:41:24] Speaker A: Yes. I mean, when people say to me casually, hi, how are you doing? What I find it hard to do is give the stock. Yeah, good. You. [00:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:41] Speaker A: But what I have learned to do is to give people the option. Which answer do you want? Right. I fucking. I mean this from my core. You can ask around. That is something that I actually give people the choice of. How's it going, Mark? You're right. Well, which answer do you want? [00:42:00] Speaker B: Does anyone say, like, just the Just the flip one, please. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Oh, from time to time. Yeah. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Okay. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Yeah. All good then. Thanks. Yeah. Cool. You right, let's go. What do you actually want to talk about? But a lot of the times people go, what's up, Mark? What's the real answer? And then I said, then there's a different conversation. [00:42:18] Speaker B: You know, it does feel like a thing. That the repercussions would not be what you want because you hate talking about, like, what's wrong with you. [00:42:28] Speaker A: I do. But in. But it, you know, in. In a lot of circumstances, in a lot of occasions, it also leads to the other party opening up, too. And before you know it, we've found common ground. We're not. [00:42:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:42] Speaker A: And. And Hands across the World and all that jazz. [00:42:45] Speaker B: Imagine that. [00:42:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Look at this. When I. When I lean over, it looks like I have a flower in my hair. [00:42:52] Speaker A: I did notice that. I wondered if that was AI it's [00:42:57] Speaker B: like a jacket or something hanging over the back of a. [00:43:00] Speaker A: Okay, so no. [00:43:00] Speaker B: Of a futon. [00:43:02] Speaker A: It's not AI it's simply a garment. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Just junk is what it is. Coat, just my mess and all that. [00:43:08] Speaker A: People talking about AI. I think that's going to be pretty big. [00:43:12] Speaker B: It's the next big thing that AI Action. [00:43:19] Speaker A: Check back here in a few years, [00:43:20] Speaker B: keep an eye on that. You know, [00:43:24] Speaker A: pretty big. It's going to hit pretty big in maybe 28, 29, 40. [00:43:27] Speaker B: It's just. It's wild. Like, just more and more as, you know, it's been around long enough and whatnot. You start to see now, like, the actual repercussions of AI and things like that. A. For like, the businesses and corporations that use it who are suddenly like, we are not making money off of using this stuff, and it's getting really expensive. And then in terms of, like, what it does to people, obviously the environment and things like that, notwithstanding, but, you know, the. The cognitive issues and stuff like that. And there's one that came out recently, a study that was talking to people who hire folks, right? People in corporations and stuff like that, who hired recruiters, things like that. And basically, like the first groups of, like, AI Natives, as they call them, people who've been using them, like, throughout their college career, maybe even high school, things like that have, like, graduated into the field, right into having to get jobs. And like, we can't hire these people. They don't. They can't think. They don't know how to solve a problem. They don't have any form of creativity. They only know how to AI their way out of this. And it's becoming this, like, huge issue that these companies thought that the answer was train everyone in AI. But now that all the people trained [00:44:46] Speaker A: or not, I mean, there's a couple of. Just a couple of bits on this. Right. It's. It's made me desperately want to go and see the Odyssey. Listening to Chris Nolan talk about AI [00:44:55] Speaker B: these past few days, I know I will give it to him. I'm still not going to go see it, but I will. [00:45:01] Speaker A: You sold me a ticket. Chris Nolan. Just saying, you know, good job. The wonderful things you've said about AI over the past couple of days, about how it's just shit for cunts and I didn't see nowhere near my films. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:13] Speaker A: Which I shot on a camera, which is massive, by the way. [00:45:16] Speaker B: So, I mean, this is. He's the anti. James Cameron. Honestly, at this point, it's like the guys who made these like, big, huge budget things and practiced this craft for years and all this kind of stuff. And one of them went, let's embrace this because it's gonna make my stuff cheaper to make. And the other one went, absolutely not. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Corey, that is super, super insightful. Sometimes you, Sometimes you really do contribute a lot to this podcast. Right. And you hit the nail right on the head there with that. I thought that was beautiful. Why? How did we get there? What was the other thing? Yes. Somebody else. Blue sky. I saw a post that said, kids, now. I like, I can't be writing a 10. Nobody is writing a 10. [00:46:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Nobody wrote a 10 page paper before AI buddy. [00:46:05] Speaker A: Think back to my dissertation. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Oh, buddy. [00:46:09] Speaker A: I wrote the entire thing the night before. Right. Please don't think I'm. I'm. Don't think I believe this. [00:46:19] Speaker B: 100 [00:46:22] Speaker A: reasonably. Thank you. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah. My paper that, like got me into my PhD program and whatnot that I use for conferences and stuff like that. I wrote 25 pages and I wrote it in like 36 hours. When I did my senior thesis in college, it had to be at least 50 pages. And I did that in three days, like, and mostly in the 24 hours before that. It's. I. That was just the way you fucking did things at the time. And it is. Yeah. That's bizarre to think that kids, like, can't fathom writing 10 pages. You know, like you would never. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Just to check ourselves for a moment. [00:47:01] Speaker B: Mm. [00:47:03] Speaker A: I always have to give just a little bit of a reality check whenever we talk about kids. [00:47:08] Speaker B: Sure. [00:47:08] Speaker A: You know, kids can't. Kids can't this. Kids can't that. [00:47:11] Speaker B: So they can't do it here. [00:47:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that's for sure. [00:47:15] Speaker B: This is a huge problem, is that the kids are illiterate and it's not their fault. It's not just AI, it is our education system. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Well, okay, there are kids who are illiterate. I will say that I. I don't like to broadly generalize as hugely as that because, you know. [00:47:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, there's always going to be kids who are fine kids who are going to make their way either way, but our education system has deeply failed the kids by making it so that teachers aren't even really allowed to teach them to be literate because it's not pertinent to the tests and therefore teaching them things like critical thinking and whatnot. No, thanks. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what I'll do then, right, to move us along a little here. [00:47:59] Speaker B: Yeah, please do. [00:48:00] Speaker A: I will describe for you a moment of joy. [00:48:06] Speaker B: Oh, wow, Love that. [00:48:07] Speaker A: How's that sound? [00:48:08] Speaker B: Yeah, please. [00:48:09] Speaker A: I'll describe for you a moment of joy amidst what is. I am finding a very testing couple of weeks. Right. Yeah, I am. I am. I'm trying my best not to sound as though I'm overstating just how uncomfortable I am right now. Right. Because I'm not. Okay, The. The bites. I'm. I'm covered in little bites. And whenever I have. Whenever I'm covered in insect bites, the burn and the itch feels like it is inside my body, Right. It's in me. The skin itself is itching, but underneath that, a few layers of tissue down there is like a core of heat. Horrible, prickly, intense burning heat that I can't get at, like, size. And all of the antihistamine creams and pill and hot spoons doesn't come near soothing it. Right, listeners, I'm so sorry if this is a little ripe and a little physical for you, but there is a tiny spot of skin where the upper leg becomes your ass cheek, right? [00:49:14] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Almost like a hinge, if you will. And one inch to the right and you're in the gooch. One inch to the left and you're on the thigh. What the fuck, right? I've got a bite there in that. [00:49:31] Speaker B: You never want them in, like, a crease, you know, where, like, sweat gets and things like that. Yeah. [00:49:39] Speaker A: Not funny because it's been humid. I've been. I've been sleeping in some quite slutty garments, you know. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Didn't you say you're like a. You're. You're a nude Guy. You're a nude? [00:49:50] Speaker A: No, I don't think. [00:49:51] Speaker B: No, not nude. Just. Just a little slutty. [00:49:53] Speaker A: I said slutty. I'm not a whore. [00:49:56] Speaker B: I could have sworn you said this years ago. I could have sworn you were. [00:49:59] Speaker A: I think maybe I have done. I mean, different. Yeah. I've been about four different people since. [00:50:05] Speaker B: All right. But you're. You. You get. Get a little naked. [00:50:12] Speaker A: Yeah. But anyway, they got me, right? So that's one of the reasons. That's one of the reasons why I'm struggling, man. Yeah, you're. You're a little bit in and out there. You back. [00:50:21] Speaker B: Can you hear me? [00:50:23] Speaker A: I can. It's like watching a dubbed J Horror. [00:50:27] Speaker B: I think my con. It might be because my sister is like on stuff, playing Roblox, using up all the WI fi. She's. She works in it, so she probably has like fucking Claude and like, you know, all kinds of things going at the moment that might be slowing it down. [00:50:46] Speaker A: What was I even fucking talking about? [00:50:47] Speaker B: You were talking about the bites, the [00:50:49] Speaker A: bike and your slutty jammies. I've got. And I've. I've scraped my cornea some house so I can't wear contact lenses for three months because I've taken what the optician used all of his medical training to call a big chunk out of my cornea. That's what he said. Oh, it's a big old chunk. Right. So that's great he said those words. A big old chunk. [00:51:08] Speaker B: It's not great. Not great. [00:51:10] Speaker A: And. And Britain is what it is right now. Right? [00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:15] Speaker A: So it was a moment of such fucking joy to make the effort to get out to the movies last week like I did. Yes, driving there was hell. Parking was hell. But upon finding the joint and getting there, the crowd was all there for the same reason. The marquee had been set up beautifully with posters and the lettering on the outside of the Prince Charles cinema in London's Chinatown. [00:51:52] Speaker B: I like. I like Chinatown in London. It's very, very pretty. [00:51:57] Speaker A: And the. The cinema itself is just tuned so nicely. Screen is at such a great height for the eye and the neck. [00:52:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's important. [00:52:07] Speaker A: You know, Even if there had been no discipline policy in this cinema, which there is, still everybody was there for one purpose and one purpose only. There would have been no fucking chatting or jibber jabber or problems at the cinema because we were all there for the same reason. We were all there for a preview of Evil Dead Burn. [00:52:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:29] Speaker A: And our conflicting thoughts on the movie. We'll get there we'll fucking get there. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. That's not. That's for later. Yeah. [00:52:38] Speaker A: That's neither he nor there. But the experience I had in that movie theater with what I. I think I could more accurately call a congregation as opposed to an audience. Right. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Dead at church. [00:52:56] Speaker A: And that's. That's just what it was. That is exactly what it was. And the half hour of Q A that we had afterwards, not just with the director, not just with Sebastian Manchuk, but two of the cast as well. It was the. The Q A was. He's so eloquent and he spoke of conversations he'd had with Sam Raimi, guidance that he'd been given, rules he should follow, things he should do. Long story short and none. You know what I mean, do what the fuck you want with it. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:32] Speaker A: I've got some suggestions. Of course this is what you might want to do. But he was given no training wheels or guardrails at all in his approach. So whatever your thoughts are. And we'll talk about it in a minute. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Know that it's 100% the film that he wanted to make. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:54] Speaker A: And for that surely that's what that's. Can half a star of your meager 2. [00:54:01] Speaker B: No, it's part of why I don't like it. [00:54:03] Speaker A: Ah, all right then let's get into it. [00:54:06] Speaker B: But well, we. We'll save that for like the last one to talk about on our what we watched this week so that you know folks who don't want it. We won't spoil it. I think we'll. We'll go with like some details. If you don't want to hear details at all. We don't tune in. But like anything, nothing too spoilery about the film but we'll save it for the last thing we talk about. So yeah, there's that. Before we get to that section, I think there's a few things that we need to address. For one, just on a Joag note, hey, on the Kofi, if you are a supporter, the latest episode of the Fan Cave is out. Came out on Friday and Kristen and I talked about the Alien abduct movie. No one will save you, so go ahead and check that out. We. We had a grand old time talking about that as well as, you know, our silly musings about things like the World cup and whatnot and had a good time. [00:55:04] Speaker A: I too have taken a small quantum of pleasure from these past weeks. [00:55:10] Speaker B: I love hearing that. [00:55:11] Speaker A: You know, it's as. As much, you know, in the entertainment it's Given my sons as anything else. But where possible, I've stayed up and I've watched a game or two, you [00:55:21] Speaker B: know, there you go. I mean, it's exactly what we've talked about, right? It's like, about, like the company. It's about kind of getting in the spirit more than it is about whether [00:55:31] Speaker A: you love win, win game or not. It's win, win. I win either way. Because if my team, if Britain, if England wins. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Right, your team. [00:55:42] Speaker A: And I get. If, if, if we. That's what they say, isn't it? If we win. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Then I get to enjoy the pleasure of my family and I get to enjoy the pleasure of my kids and I get to see, you know, the, the positive emotions it generates and I get to make memories of my family that way. And if we lose, I get to feast, don't I? I get to. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I get to. You get to Full energy. Disappointment that. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I get to fill up my hump, sustain me through the rest of this bastard summer. [00:56:17] Speaker B: You know what? You're right. That is pretty much a win, win. I feel great about that for you. So, yeah, we talked a little bit about exactly that. The kind of, you know, calling your team we and the camaraderie and all that kind of stuff wrapped up in it. And of course, talked about alien abductions. So check that out on the Ko Fi. Ko-fi.com jackofallgraves if you're not signed up, you should sign up. We have a good time. [00:56:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:41] Speaker B: Also, I'm still working on the mailers. I realized I didn't have envelopes and then I didn't have stamps. Just, it's been a process. Also, they raised the price of stamps today, which is a pain in the ass [00:56:54] Speaker A: on the post office. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, but the, the mailers are coming. I. I've been working on them for a while also. It's one of those ones where I've been writing it by hand, which always takes much more time. Sometimes I will, like, you know, write something and, like, print it and put it in there with the stuff. [00:57:11] Speaker A: And then other times, writing by hand, that's not going to be so big in the next decade or two. [00:57:16] Speaker B: Probably not. But I think it's part of the fun of, like, mail. Right. When you get something that's handwritten, I just think it, you know, it feels nice to get something that someone wrote, you know? [00:57:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I agree. [00:57:30] Speaker B: Every now and again I bust out the pen, I write out, you know, the little things. So they are coming. Apologies for them being delayed. But they are getting to you. So there's that also. I mean, we have to address Sam Neill. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yes, yes, I know. I. I don't really know how to. Other than in. In the way that everybody else is really. Just acknowledging. [00:58:02] Speaker B: Man, that sucks. Yeah. [00:58:04] Speaker A: Just acknowledging what a absolute consummate performer, actor, professional, who contributed, made excellent choices in the work that he committed to and the jobs that he took, elevated the material that he was given at every turn. [00:58:23] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:58:24] Speaker A: And was never anything less than a draw, man. He would draw the eye. He would draw you in. Nobody ever fucking changed the channel or turned off. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:58:36] Speaker A: Because Sam Neil was in it, you know. [00:58:38] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. Yeah. I mean, it's. I about like six months or so ago was like, I want to watch some more like, like, old school and like, Sam Neill movies I hadn't seen before and, like, made myself a little, like, letterbox list. That was part of when, you know, you recall, I watched all of the omen movies season Omen 3, and, you know, got into that. But it's like, even when you don't get into just, like, all of the, like, small movies he did and how much of it, like, champion for New Zealand cinema and indie cinema and feminist cinema and all that kind of stuff. He was. He's just in so many things that you love, right? Like, obviously Alan Grant, like, out the gate, Jurassic park, but, you know, things like dead calm with my boy Billy Zane, like, come on, fucking love that. In the mouth of madness, Possession. Yeah. Which obviously I'm not a big fan of, but he's great in it, you know, Possession is fucking wild hunt for the wilder people. [00:59:43] Speaker A: Yes. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Like, he's just in so many great things. And like you said, every time you see in something, event horizon, like, come on, how could I not mention that one? He's always a draw in everything you're in, whether you end up in total loving the movie or not. Like, you're never like, man, he sucked in that. He was so great and. Yeah. Seemed like such a great person and, you know, someone. He. I was so stoked. Like, he. He followed a lot of people, but he followed me on Twitter back in the day. [01:00:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:00:16] Speaker B: This is. This is up there on the, like, on the list. It wasn't like a personal follow or anything like that. He just. Just followed a lot of folks, but was a person I followed on there forever because you just watched him, like, enjoy his farm and his wine and things like that. To me, Sam Neill dying feels personal in a similar way to Catherine o', Hara, you know, like, these were just people who were foundation to my life today. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Really gave in person interviews because he had a stutter. Didn't know this. [01:00:44] Speaker B: Yeah. It's always interesting when you see actors like that who managed to overcome like something that for all intents and purposes should have really held them back, but they get in the zone and, you know, become a different person. Which is fascinating. And yeah, I just, you know, it's a, it's a bummer. But also to your point earlier about speaking ill of the dead, you know, much like Ann Whitakem, he was 78, I believe. Right. So. Oh, I want to say he was. [01:01:16] Speaker A: I, I thought 75. [01:01:18] Speaker B: Maybe it was 75, but in, in that vicinity, you know, and 1947, maybe that's 75. I think somewhere in that area. But again, I can't do math, but around the same age, you know, a little older than Lindsey Graham, who also. [01:01:38] Speaker A: He was 78. He was 78. [01:01:39] Speaker B: Oh, 78. Okay. Yeah, confirmed. So you had like these terrible people who died this week. Lindsey Graham and what have come and you know, the socials were lit up with people talking on them. And then you have Sam Neil Dye. And it just shows the difference between when you're a person who contributes good to this world and when you're a person who contributes nothing but hate and bad to the world. You know, the reactions to things shows you if you don't want to be spoken about this when you die, then be Sam Neill. Don't be those. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Yes, both things need to be true, don't they? If you're going to speak ill of the dead, you'd best speak good of them too. [01:02:22] Speaker B: Right? You know, you earn the way that people talk about you when you die. [01:02:28] Speaker A: Completely agree. [01:02:29] Speaker B: And he clearly, clearly earned a lot of love from a lot of people. So, you know, good riddance to our dear Sam Neill. He'll be missed. I'll be very sad. He just, he was in remission from cancer too. It's like, yeah, I was like, yeah, he's done. [01:02:44] Speaker A: Woo. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Yay. Good. [01:02:46] Speaker A: Oh, through, through, through non medical interventions. I had some talk of that. He practiced kind of alternative therapies for a while, really, I believe. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Well, then maybe that's why he died. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Yeah, possibly. I don't know. [01:03:04] Speaker B: We'll probably know more. I mean, they did say they were like, more details will come later. Yeah, just leave us the alone for now. [01:03:10] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah. [01:03:12] Speaker B: Very sad day. A horror legend amongst a legend in many other areas of film as well. And A Kiwi. We love a Kiwi. [01:03:22] Speaker A: And they love us. [01:03:23] Speaker B: They love us. All those Marks and Corrigans running around. So now I think with those things taken care of also. Hey, the packet for the meetup will be out by the end of the week. [01:03:40] Speaker A: It will. I might, I might actually immediately before we go any further, roll back on the alternative therapies. Claim simply not true. Experimental therapies. Yes. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Oh that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally different thing. [01:03:53] Speaker A: Roll it back. [01:03:57] Speaker B: Experimental therapy, good to find alternative. [01:04:02] Speaker A: But reflexology. No, no. [01:04:07] Speaker B: Apple cider vinegar. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Roll it back. Roll that one struck from the records. [01:04:15] Speaker B: What was I saying? Oh, the packet is coming. In the meantime, you know, if you are interested and haven't said anything to us or whatever like you said, you can just show up when we have our party. [01:04:26] Speaker A: Come on. But it doesn't matter. [01:04:28] Speaker B: Feel free to get in contact jackofallgravesgmail.com or on any of our socials for the packet which also includes things like we're gonna do a cemetery tour of Highgate. [01:04:39] Speaker A: Cemetery Cemetery. They also have like a sarcophagus, don't they? [01:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah, they got like cool going on in there. It's stuff that you can't, you can't see when you just walk around. Which you and I have walked around Highgate. We have that they do on this tour. [01:04:52] Speaker A: But yeah, the tour gets you the places that the public. [01:04:57] Speaker B: So I've already bought the first batch of tickets for that. But if you're interested in going on a tour with us, do get in contact with us one way or another so that we can get more tickets and whatnot. And we are going to do that. We're gonna have our little party. We're gonna attempt to be let into the curiosities place. [01:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah, some museum of curiosities. The curious thing is how the they expect to get any business when they don't report respond to phone call males. I'm sure they're a great bunch of lads but you know they're going to be curiously finding that a couple hundred quid short of our business if they don't get it. [01:05:37] Speaker B: So hopefully that's going to come through. But all of that will be together in, in the full packet with times and addresses and details and all those good things. Don't give a. Yeah, sure, just call Mark, you know, give a. So all of that is coming as well and I think. Oh, and book club is, is this Saturday. It's an early third Saturday so if you haven't started reading, start reading. And also so it's a collection called your Body is not your Body, I believe. Yeah. So it's like, I think, like Queer Horror, whatever. Mine. I ordered mine from Gibson's, but not until like three or four days ago. I was like, ryan, hey, I forgot to order the book. Will it come in time? And she was like, yeah, yeah. Well, I'll get it to you. So it hasn't come to me yet for me to fully describe what it is, but, yeah, so that's. That's what we're reading. And also for what? [01:06:39] Speaker A: No, go on, please. [01:06:41] Speaker B: For anyone who's around. I pitched this on the Discord. Was thinking of doing a impromptu in the Mouth of Madness Watch along on Saturday. So if anyone is just bopping around on Saturday and wants to do a little Sam Neill tribute, there it'll be. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Isn't it incredible what a week it's been? [01:07:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Lemon, it's Monday. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Oh, fuck. I know. Fuck. Even as I said that, the meme occurred to me, popped into my head chronologically. Right. I mean, just today we had the teaser for Crystal Lake. [01:07:20] Speaker B: Indeed. But fuck, a 24. [01:07:22] Speaker A: So, yeah, unfortunately, we would have thought we'd ever be saying that. I would ever be saying that. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Particularly you, but. [01:07:30] Speaker A: And Corrie, we're about an hour. We're over an hour and a half into the episode or whatever. [01:07:36] Speaker B: I can't believe it's gone this long. [01:07:39] Speaker A: And we did it. I did it. [01:07:42] Speaker B: You did it. You did this. Obviously. [01:07:44] Speaker A: Through sheer force of my will alone. [01:07:48] Speaker B: Through tireless, relentless campaigning, through dangers untold and hardships unnumbered. [01:07:54] Speaker A: And just banging on about it all the cunt in time. Until somebody listened. They've announced. I can't even believe I'm about to say the words. [01:08:05] Speaker B: It's a big moment here. [01:08:12] Speaker A: Because it doesn't feel real. [01:08:14] Speaker B: Mark just made a. A. A face like the. The. The Teacher from Daria. Like one wide eye, one squinty eye is truly incredible. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Rather than. I won't just read the headline, right. What I'll do is I'll just read the quote. Jonathan and I are so excited to be partnering with JD and Ravi, along with the terrific team they've assembled at Paramount Primal. Says Wes Craven's ex wife. Because he's dead. Yes, we look forward to bringing the world of Wes Craven's nightmare Elm street to a new and completely engaged generation of fans. We know that Wes would have been thrilled to see how horror is taking its long overdue place in the cultural canon. We can't wait for all of us to Sit together in a dark theater as the next chapter of the nightmare story unfolds. They have a fucking David Nounstone, a new nightmare. Elm street movie, man. Today, like a few hours ago. [01:09:16] Speaker B: How do you feel, Mark? Tell us about it. Like I describe it. [01:09:22] Speaker A: I know, I know. I know it's real and I know I've just said the words, but it. It doesn't feel real. It doesn't feel real. [01:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah, [01:09:33] Speaker A: I mean, I will. I will. I do have two things to say, however. [01:09:37] Speaker B: Okay. Hit me. [01:09:39] Speaker A: There are going to be two takes that you're gonna see. [01:09:43] Speaker B: Okay. [01:09:44] Speaker A: In the coming days and weeks ahead. [01:09:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:49] Speaker A: Actually, I'll say three things on it. Right. [01:09:51] Speaker B: Okay. [01:09:51] Speaker A: Firstly, in advance, I will apologize because I am to be insufferable. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, that's a given. [01:09:58] Speaker A: Right. And I want to. I want to just say to everyone listening to this, you might want to check out completely if listening to me talk about A Nightmare on Elm street, which I haven't done consistently as much over the past year or so as I have done. But we are fucking back, right? We are back. [01:10:22] Speaker B: We'd have to make like a Kofi Special, like, video series of like, Marco talks about Nightmare. [01:10:28] Speaker A: Whenever I've got anything I want to particularly say about it, I'll just put it there. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Because I'm going to be insufferable. But there are two takes that you're going to hear a lot of. [01:10:35] Speaker B: Okay. [01:10:36] Speaker A: The first is that, well, if it isn't Robert Englund, it isn't Freddy Krueger. That's. That is some horse. Right? And please, I encourage you, if you see that take, push the back because that is such. He was fantastic. Right? But he's also 80, if not pushing 80. Right. He ain't doing it anymore. And you don't stop telling stories because a performer dies. Right. Don't be so stupid. How short sighted are you? Right? So stop that. Cut it out. Well, Freddy is Roman. That is ratchet take. Stop it. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Okay. [01:11:19] Speaker A: And let me see the second take that you're gonna see. A lot of that is also incorrect is that the remake was entirely bad. It wasn't. Jackie o' Haley was fine. Oh, he was. Sure. Yeah, right. [01:11:32] Speaker B: It's everything else that's bad. [01:11:34] Speaker A: It's an awful. Yes, it's an awful movie, but he had fuck all to do with it being bad. Just like Sam Neill, right? Nobody. That was not a bad film because of him. He was absolutely fucking fine. [01:11:45] Speaker B: You're absolutely right on that point. Point. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Right. [01:11:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So let's just get the issue is not the Freddy. [01:11:51] Speaker A: It's not grand. So let's see. Let's just embark. [01:11:56] Speaker B: Was there a third thing? [01:11:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, and I apologize. The third thing was. I apologize in advance. [01:12:00] Speaker B: Oh, gotcha. [01:12:02] Speaker A: But we have a. We have a long journey to come, friends. And it ends or it. The. The next big milestone is of us all sat together just like. [01:12:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Going through all the nightmares. [01:12:17] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [01:12:17] Speaker B: A little less consistent. [01:12:20] Speaker A: Oh, hey, look, like I've said plenty of times, Nightmare on Elm street isn't the best franchise. No, no, no, no, no. But it's the, it's my favorite. [01:12:28] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. Those don't have to be the same thing. [01:12:32] Speaker A: Often not. They're not. So there we go. I simply can't believe it. I simply cannot believe it that it has come to pass class. [01:12:40] Speaker B: My only worry, as I told you before, is simply the Paramount label on it. Simply because, listen up, until, you know, eight months ago or whatever, Paramount was my favorite streaming service. They have a lot of quality stuff on there, a lot of good original content. However, they have been taken over by right wingers. So my only concern is that we're about to get anti woke Freddie to appease the powers that be because they have their hands in everything. [01:13:12] Speaker A: As opposed to. [01:13:16] Speaker B: What do you mean? [01:13:17] Speaker A: Well, I mean he, he said some racist shit in Freddy vs Jason. [01:13:24] Speaker B: Sure. But you don't expect him to do it in 2026 [01:13:29] Speaker A: again. We have all of this to come. We have all of this. [01:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, right. I'm just saying what my like out there, the gate preliminary worry is, is like mostly just, it's Paramount, so we'll, we'll see how much they like put their hands in it and try to keep it from, you know, modernizing in any way. [01:13:47] Speaker A: Oh, God. All of this to come. This is so exciting to me. This is so fucking thrilling to me because I've heard described in various outlets. It's, it's the original screenplay that they've got the rights to. So they can. They're either going to go back to square one or movies based in a continuation of that, of that universe. What is it going to be? Oh, is it going to be something new? Is it going to be a reboot? Is it going to be a recall? [01:14:10] Speaker B: Oh my God, Reddit hates to see you coming. Well, we will certainly be checking back with that and keeping up on that as we move towards. Is there like a timeline for this? They said when they're planning on it or is it just so far it's just happened? [01:14:28] Speaker A: Well, they've Announced it, I mean, but [01:14:29] Speaker B: they haven't said, like, in. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no, no. [01:14:32] Speaker B: No particular year. [01:14:33] Speaker A: There's been no, no indication of writers, producers, directors, cast, none of that. [01:14:38] Speaker B: It's just. It's going on, it's happening. [01:14:40] Speaker A: Crew, it's happening. The flag has been waved. [01:14:45] Speaker B: Fair enough. Well, then, shall we get to what we watched? [01:14:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think I've got much else apart from. [01:14:53] Speaker B: Okay, so just the one thing. All right. I have a few things before we get to the main event then that I won't spend a whole lot of time recommend. Okay, great. It's. It's not this. It's not the Josh Malerman one again, is it? [01:15:08] Speaker A: No. Although I see how I forgive you for wondering that. I forgive you for asking that. [01:15:14] Speaker B: No, so I, you know, have been seeing. Rarely do I see like, deep consensus on my letterboxd. Right? Like there's always. [01:15:26] Speaker A: Because you don't like things that people like. You don't enjoy things that other people enjoy. That's why you never see consensus on your letterboxd. You're always the dissenting voice on letterbox. Not true at all. [01:15:37] Speaker B: You just say this because there's things you like that I don't like. But like I said my letterbox, like, for example, to. For you. You said I'm the outlier on your, on your thing for Evil Dead Burn, but I am not at all on my friends on there. It's pretty much half and half on the, like, really into it and hated it. So. Yeah, I don't ever get like consensus on things where it's like everyone loved her. Well, maybe more when everybody hates something. But everyone on my letterboxd had given the movie Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie, five stars. Basically. It's like maybe one or two four and a halfs, but everyone gave this five stars. And it's like the. Is this. Everybody loves this movie. I clearly need to watch it. So I got it on my friend Kyle's Plex and sat down with Kyo and watched it the other night. And I have never been so perplexed by five star ratings. Like, even with, like, say I don't say. [01:16:45] Speaker A: I don't tell you. I mean, you're not gonna, you're not gonna want to hear what I have [01:16:48] Speaker B: to say, which is what you, I, [01:16:52] Speaker A: I go on, please finish, please. [01:16:54] Speaker B: Okay. Like with, say, the. What's the one that's like kind of like a live action Looney Tunes 1. Hundreds of beavers or whatever, right? [01:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right. [01:17:04] Speaker B: Like, I didn't like that. But, like, I got why people like it. I was like, I. I don't really like. I never liked Looney Tunes. Right. I didn't like cartoons. And so, like, I wasn't the target audience, but I can see why. If you liked that, this was like, like, right up your alley. This one is, like, the most, like, cringy millennial humor you can imagine. Like, I guess it was like a web series back in the day in, like, 2008. And the premise of this is basically that these guys now have kind of gone nowhere with their lives. They're supposed to. They're in a band called Nirvana, the band. And they. 20, however many years it's been since 2008, 18 years later, have, like, done nothing with their lives, have not gone anywhere. But then they make a time machine and go back to 2008 and change, like, the way events have unfolded. But of course, bad happens as a result of that. And it's very much, very intentionally like a Back to the Future remake. Like, everything that they do in it is from Back to the Future, essentially, but it's this mix of, like, kind of like prank show things. So there's stuff that they do that they're filming with people around who have no idea what they're doing. So, like, you know, so, like, yeah, there's stuff which is having more with [01:18:28] Speaker A: my boys a couple of weeks back. I love that. [01:18:30] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. Not my bag. But, like, fine. You know, like, it's fine. It just, like, isn't that interesting to be like, oh, people don't know. [01:18:39] Speaker A: Okay, as long as it's benign. That's right. [01:18:42] Speaker B: And this is absolutely. They're not. It's not at anybody's expense or anything like that. A weird thing that happens in it is, like, there's a part where they, like, jump off the CN Tower in Toronto. And I said to Kio, I was like, oh, they did that on Top Chef. And turns out, like, at the end of this movie, when they come back to the CN Tower, people are like, oh, are you with the chefs? And it was the same day that Top Chef filmed there, just by pure happenstance, like, what? That's crazy. But anyways, it's, like, there. I mean, just like, especially one of the two guys. And it is, like, very annoying. And it's, like, exactly the kind of thing that, like, kids make fun of millennials for. Just really cringe millennials humor. Nothing really landed for me. It was interesting technically, like, because they really. They use footage from 2008 and stuff like, that the opening is very funny because when they time travel, they don't realize they have. And the way they figure it out is, like, canceled celebrities and slurs. So there's like. [01:19:42] Speaker A: Right, say. Don't say anything else, because I intend to watch this. [01:19:45] Speaker B: Yeah. What? I. I will be very curious as to what you think. I don't think you're gonna like it. [01:19:49] Speaker A: It's what I've always had. I've known that I've had to watch, watch at some point. [01:19:52] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I think you're gonna find the guys annoying, but I will be curious to see what you think. If you're like a five star or like, I thought it was fine, you know? [01:20:03] Speaker A: You know how much I enjoy a bit that goes just to the very edge of it. [01:20:07] Speaker B: Right. [01:20:07] Speaker A: And beyond. If you just. Yeah, it's the kind of the bit curve almost. However, the further you take a bit, it'll go down and then it'll just go right back up. [01:20:16] Speaker B: It comes back. Yeah, absolutely. [01:20:17] Speaker A: I love that. [01:20:19] Speaker B: I think if the one guy wasn't so annoying, maybe I'd feel differently about it, but, yeah, that's hard to get past for me, so. It is. It's interesting. It was fine to me. Just a lot of the humor didn't really land to me. I was like, this does feel like a web series from 2008. So, yeah, please do watch it, because I will be very curious. I thought this was the kind of thing that you would never touch. So now I'm like, okay, good watch. [01:20:45] Speaker A: Just, I have to watch it for the culture because I hear it talked about about so often in so many different places that I have to. I have to. How can I not? [01:20:53] Speaker B: Which is crazy that I'm like, how did. How did I never hear of this at the time? That's bizarre to me. Like this completely. I feel like I'm usually the target audience for millennial humor and never heard of this before, so there's that. [01:21:08] Speaker A: Did I watch anything else? The book I will speak of super briefly is called Between Two Fires. Bookie remark is still very, very much in the ascendant. [01:21:23] Speaker B: I love it. [01:21:24] Speaker A: I think. I think I've always been in book era, really, but. [01:21:28] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. It's like, it's a return to your core self. [01:21:32] Speaker A: But I am all fucking ways with a book in my hand lately and more so than ever with Between Two Fires, because I gotta tell you, this is special. I don't even know if he listens to the cast. I don't believe he does, but thank you so much for recommending this, Josh Lewis, in particular to you. Thank you for sending me this book and making sure that I read it. Because it's excoriatingly good, right? It burns its way into you. It is. [01:22:02] Speaker B: Okay. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Set in the 1380s or thereabouts as an excommunicate knight and a priest and a young kind of girl of about 1213 who might be an angel, have to fight their way through the villages and streets of. On the French coast while the plague decimates all around them and while there's literally a fucking war happening between hell and heaven. Like biblically accurate angels fighting in the sky with demons while Griblies go to war. And just every page is so bleak and grim horrors, the like of which I could not even describe to you. You think you've read a bleak book before? Between Two Fires is the. The most absolute. It just a rainbow of bleak, violent horror. This book, okay. So eloquent, so descriptive, like so well researched. Like, I don't know. I. I've. I've heard of about a fifth of the medieval weaponry mentioned in the book, right. But I know I don't have to check, right. That he's got his right. Because it is so authentic. I. It's incredible. I cannot put it down 2/3 of the way through it. And I. Whenever I'm not reading it, I want to be reading it. It's mad how good this book is. Like mad. I didn't, you know. Do you think you've read a good book? Do you talk to me after you've read this one. [01:23:49] Speaker B: What was it called again? [01:23:51] Speaker A: Between Two Fires. [01:23:52] Speaker B: Between Two Fires. Okay. [01:23:54] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. By a fellow by the name of Christopher Buhlman. B U E H L M A N Bullman. [01:24:03] Speaker B: All right. [01:24:03] Speaker A: Phenomenal. Just wild. [01:24:07] Speaker B: Yeah, Good recommendation. The other thing that I watched, really pertinent was the Last Stop in Yuma county. And this was by pure happenstance, did not do this intentionally, but was just like scrolling through my watch list trying to find something to watch. And this has Jim Cummings in. It looked interesting from the. [01:24:29] Speaker A: I do like him. [01:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And the. It looked interesting. It's the director of Evil Dead Wrath, so. [01:24:37] Speaker A: Oh, really? [01:24:38] Speaker B: Just full coincidence. I had what I had gone to the theater and seen Evil Dead burn earlier in the day, picked a random movie later on and it is the next director of Evil Dead. So I was like, oh, fascinating. Well, there we go. I'm doing my research Church, I guess here. [01:24:56] Speaker A: Fascinating. That is fascinating because, you know, when. When Rise was announced, what, you know, Obviously, we went and watched. Oh, I. I don't know if I watched it with you, but I went and watched the hole in the ground. [01:25:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:10] Speaker A: No, before. And I was like, all right. It's quite good. I don't necessarily see Evil Dead in it, but. [01:25:14] Speaker B: Right. [01:25:15] Speaker A: Because Rise is great. Before Burn, I watched the spider movie. The French spider movie. [01:25:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:20] Speaker A: And you didn't enjoy that at all, did you? Well, you don't, but I did. I was like, no, I get it. I see, I see, I see. So, I mean. [01:25:26] Speaker B: Yeah, you're like, I see the vision there. [01:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:25:29] Speaker B: And last stop in Yuma County. I'm on board. Just as a side fact about this that I think is crazy, the movie started and I was like, oh, I shot a film here. It's like, I would know this set anywhere. I have sat in that diner and gone through the day's script and shots. The director before it was so wild. I was like. I dug up some pictures from Facebook that I'd taken of the. It was 2014, but looks exactly the same. Same diner and motel attached to it and all that kind of stuff. So I was like, this is. [01:26:05] Speaker A: Yes, you must share those. Closer to the time. Closer to the time. [01:26:09] Speaker B: I went on IMDb to check, and I was like, yep, four races in Palmdale, California. That's exactly the place. So that was really fun. But this movie is basically kind of a. A situation in which someone gets wrapped up in something that they didn't mean to and everything goes awry. And it's basically, you know, Jim Cummings plays a cutlery salesman who rolls up onto this gas station that's like, kind of in the middle of nowhere and hears on the radio that there's been like, a. A bank robbery. And describes, you know, the two guys, the cars they got away with. Car they gotta get. Got away with. Jesus Christ. But the gas station is out of gas and they're waiting on a truck to come to bring the gas, so he can't go anywhere and has to go and, like, sit inside the diner. Meanwhile, what we know that nobody at the gas station knows is that the truck was in an accident and the gas is not coming. So meanwhile, people kind of keep coming into this diner and things like that, that. Including these two bank robber guys. And things turn hostile in there. This movie becomes just mean and relentless and, you know, bleak. And. Yeah, you're not expecting it because the way it's kind of set up doesn't feel that way. And then you're like, this is not messing around in any way. And yeah, I watched this and I was like. And it's also got a lot of humor in it though too. You know, these characters are funny and interesting. You know, there's stuff going on that is entertaining. And I was like, yeah, this is. I'm on board. I can see why, you know, whoever was looking for these up and coming directors, because just like Vaynerchuk, it's not like he has like a long list of shit that he's made. I think this is the only feature and, you know, but I can see why they would look at this and be like, yeah, this is a guy who's gonna. [01:28:15] Speaker A: It's. It's a fascinating approach, isn't it? That is. Is clearly what Evil Dead is now. [01:28:22] Speaker B: It's. [01:28:24] Speaker A: It's hungry female centered stories by blokes. [01:28:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a problem. [01:28:34] Speaker A: Go on, go on, go on, go on. [01:28:36] Speaker B: Anyways, that movie's called Last Stop in Yuma County Again, just in case you missed it the first time. And I recommend it. Okay, yeah, no, I mean, there's a couple things here and maybe. Yeah, well, let me kind of give my on it take and then you can give your. [01:28:54] Speaker A: I'm listening. [01:28:55] Speaker B: I'm Swing for everyone else. [01:28:57] Speaker A: I am listening. [01:28:59] Speaker B: For one. There's like similar issues that I had to Infested when watching it, which is these movies are made by two white French men who clearly care about social issues, but they're not like super insightful about social issues. And so they end up being really clunky in their messaging. And also it feels very forced in a way that to me feels like these movies just grind to an absolute halt. So like I said to you after Infested, I was like, when I watch a creature movie, like, I want it to be like fun, right? Like, just want to see people chased by giant spiders and things like that. Maybe some fun quippiness and things like that. You know, where that movie often just stops for like long emotional beats about family drama, about, you know, the struggles of being an immigrant, about, you know, cops being terrible, things like that that, like, it's just. Okay, I'm not. It's not fun for me to like be like, oh, it's not just spiders killing people, but like people who are already really downtrodden and, you know, the least of these, the people who are suffering the most in society are also getting terrorized by spiders and police and like that. And that sucks, dude. That's not fun for me to watch. And it slows it down. And you Know, and I didn't like the way it looked either, you know, and stuff like that. But a lot of it was just like all of the fun was sucked out of that movie to me. And on top of it, like when he talked about what he meant with this movie, we talked about this as well, that he was like, you know, people are terrified of immigrants. And I wanted the spiders to kind of represent that, you know, and, and like it's, people don't need to be afraid. And I was like, like, right. But the spiders killed everybody. That. So it's the opposite message that you've created here. You're using these spiders as like a metaphor to say like, we shouldn't be afraid of immigrants, but they're deadly. Everyone dies. So the metaphor to me was like extremely clunky and heavy handed and just kind of took the like, fun out of the movie. And I felt like this, in this as well, like the last people on earth. I want to try to like insert a domestic abuse storyline into a film. Are French men like, fuck off. I want nothing to do with this. And so throughout this movie you're getting like these constant flashbacks and referring back to it, like constantly being reminded of like how battered she was and how terrible this man is to her throughout this entire movie. That then makes it so that it's a movie about an abused woman being continuously abused by Deadites throughout this movie. And that's not fun. Both the slowing down of the action to talk about the like horrible things that have happened to her and her getting terrorized on top of it. [01:32:02] Speaker A: A couple of, couple of bits as you go. Because yeah, I, I don't necessarily agree with this premise that in your words, the film stops to address the issues. I don't think anything stops. [01:32:16] Speaker B: There's a ton of flashback moments that literally stop all the action to show you, you know, green colored fuzzy flashback of things happening to her in the past. Sure. [01:32:30] Speaker A: Does it, does it. I mean, does it cause pacing issues? I wouldn't say so. Same goes for your, your point about Infected as well. I don't think that that at all stops to talk about the police are bad and that poverty is. [01:32:48] Speaker B: I mean it does the same thing. It does the stop and do a flashback or stop and have someone have a conversation or, you know, nothing is stopping you. [01:32:55] Speaker A: The movie carries on. The movie carries on going. It's not. [01:32:57] Speaker B: But you know what I mean, you're stopping like the action in progress. [01:33:00] Speaker A: You know, again, I don't, I don't think so. I don't Think anything grinds to a halt at all when it's giving you the reason why characters do the things they do. It's exposition is a thing. And I don't. Yeah. [01:33:10] Speaker B: And there's a lot of it in both of these movies. I mean, again, it's like, it's what I'm like going for with Evil Dead is like, if I want to have fun watching these things, like, terrorize people or whatever. Like, I can't be sitting there and being like, oh, it's just this person has had a shitty, abused life and now they're having a shitty, abused life. Like, that is not. [01:33:32] Speaker A: Yes. [01:33:33] Speaker B: Fun for me, certainly. [01:33:36] Speaker A: Or are they? Perhaps not. Or are they. I mean, nobody is passively. Our girl in Evil Dead Burn is not passively being. [01:33:47] Speaker B: And this is where the clunkiness comes from is the, like, you know, oh, it's great because she's a final girl. Like, she's so much stronger than the abuse. The off. I don't. I don't have any room for that. And this is. [01:34:02] Speaker A: Spell it out for me. Which bullshit in particular. [01:34:04] Speaker B: All of it. Like, I don't think there needs to be a battered woman at the center of this movie. It simply does not need to be the center of this film. And again, we're not going to give spoilers, but the end is like just the most heavy handed, overcoming trauma nonsense that I'm like, this is like a movie from 1993. This is a Lifetime movie right now. [01:34:29] Speaker A: The last 15 minutes is. Is awful. [01:34:32] Speaker B: It's terrible. [01:34:34] Speaker A: I will never be the guy who says, the fucking final boss dead. Turning up seemingly out of nowhere at the end for a tussle that, yeah, it's fucking stupid. [01:34:45] Speaker B: And I hated that so much. Like, I can't. I just. I don't want to hear what French men have to say about abuse. And I don't think they handled it well. And I think it takes a lot of the fun out of this movie, you know, And I had other qualms with it that are neither here nor there about it, more in terms of the substance. But my friend angel made a, like, really good point that I think drives a lot home for me where, you know, all last year I was like, I'm really sick of movies getting so white. It's like the movies right now are insanely white. And I'm sick of this just having a bad time. I don't want to keep watching this. And that has become even more the case now. We've had three huge horror flicks come out this summer, all made by white men. And, you know, we're talking about how this is the future of horror. It is white and it is male, you know, and he was saying, like, this is like, where these movies seem to be going is, you know, men talking about women's issues. And I was like, yeah, the. You know, see also just this movie this year in horror movies. The Mummy, Hokum, Ready or Not to. They will kill you. Send Help. Resident Evil, Other Mommy, Clayface, Werewolf. All white men, many of them centered around women. [01:36:03] Speaker A: Did you say obsession? [01:36:06] Speaker B: I included that in, like. Because I said the three that came out this summer, like, the big ones. This Obsession and backrooms, obviously the only two major horror movies this year not made by white men or the bride in 28 years later. Everything else, all made by white men. So, like, there's a lot of things I just didn't enjoy about the movie. I felt like the violence was at a point where I was like, this isn't actually, like, interesting anymore. Like, I wasn't in it. I wasn't closing my eyes. I was like, I wrote this on my letterbox and I genuinely meant it. Part way through it, I started thinking about lettuce that I left on my counter. And I was like, oh, fuck, it's gonna be wilted by the time I get home. And I'm like, like, I shouldn't be thinking about lettuce while all of this is going on. But it was just so like, do you see? It's extreme. It's so extreme that I was like, fuck it. But like, yeah, think it is a part of a trend of white male movies about women. And I think it's real gauche in its handling of domestic violence. And so on top of whatever other qualms I have with this movie, I just am like, I just. I don't. I don't want to see these anymore. I don't want to watch these movies anymore. [01:37:24] Speaker A: Fine. You will listen. Where we absolutely agree is the. You know how much we both have openly and vocally hated movies where the gribbly is trauma. [01:37:39] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [01:37:40] Speaker A: Right. [01:37:41] Speaker B: Very much so, yeah. [01:37:43] Speaker A: What we have, and this isn't just in Evil Dead Burn, it's in Rise as well as Evil Dead 2013. What we have here are gribblies and trauma. [01:37:52] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. And I felt the balance was off in a way that I didn't feel with 2013 or with Rise. I felt like the balance was really well struck with those. And this, to me, it just felt like the balance was off. Between the trauma and the laughing, funny deadites. [01:38:16] Speaker A: It's. It's hard to not see it in the context of its oeuvre. What is a French word of. I can't. If only there was some way. [01:38:29] Speaker B: If only there was something in the [01:38:31] Speaker A: French language, I might. I mentioned Vanicek's intentionality because he was directly questioned about New French Extremity during the Q A. Yeah. And was. Was very forthright and frank pun intended in Jesus Christ. We. [01:38:51] Speaker B: We. [01:38:51] Speaker A: Yes. I. It's very much influenced by New French Extremity. [01:38:55] Speaker B: We know how I generally feel about that. [01:38:57] Speaker A: I, you know, thought a lot of martyrs and thought a lot about sinners whilst making this film. Wanted it to very much stand in. In that kind of category. And I had a big NFE phase. I've seen a lot of this stuff. I. I enjoy a lot of it. I love. I love it when you go there. Just. I love it when you go there. Go there. You're allowed. I love it. So, yeah. And some of the early things, maybe before either of us had really gathered our thoughts on this, that you. That you said to me after you'd seen it, I stayed up specifically to wait for your life. [01:39:39] Speaker B: I know. [01:39:40] Speaker A: By the way. Right. [01:39:41] Speaker B: I did feel like I needed to rate it right away because I was like, otherwise Mark is going to be sitting there. [01:39:46] Speaker A: I wouldn't get. I'll be. I will. I won't. Amends. I won't go to bed. Yeah. What was I saying before that? [01:39:55] Speaker B: Gathering thoughts about initial reactions. [01:39:58] Speaker A: You and you again. They. In fact, you took issue with the look and the feel of the film. [01:40:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Which. And again, like I said, it's the same thing with Infested. Like, he clearly has a style that he goes for that I am not a fan of. [01:40:15] Speaker A: So what I saw in Evil Dead Burn is a film that is so intimate in its depiction of location and geography. Right. I struggle. Bigger films. Right. Blockbuster fucking tentpole films. I often struggle to think. So what's the physical relationship between the space and the characters in them? Who the fuck is standing where? Where did that fucking hell come from? And the intimacy, and I'll use the word very intentionally, the intimacy with which the space in that house is described by Vaynerchuk's camera is exquisite. Right. We. I. You know, the topography of the fucking. You know, if you ran your arm down the banister, how that wood would feel, the sense of physicality in that. In that house and in the woods around it. It. And the snow and the. The plumes of steam. From people's mouths, the, the way the wood splinters. It is the most tactile feeling of Evil Deads that I can remember, man. And, and I will not hear that there's no innovation in this film. Corrigan. That was, I think, another early. [01:41:28] Speaker B: Yeah, and I stand by it. I think it was dull and, you know, just kind of a lot of like, just, I mean, how many ways can you watch someone's skin get pulled apart or whatever, things like that, like. No, I get it. I get that it's, you know, skin is stretchy, holes pull apart. [01:41:49] Speaker A: Well, again, you wanted innovation, right? I, the half a star that the movie lost for the ending. I put right the back on again for just showing me some new things, some new, not new things I hadn't seen before. New things in the horror, in a horror setting that I hadn't even thought of before. Right. One of the things I often say about excellent pro wrestling, right. Aw. In particular, is how it manages some. How to show me every single week something I've never seen before. And, and when you do, you're like, fuck me. That, that's never even occurred. Those are never even like an image that I've occurred of in my head. And you've shown me that casually, it felt like at least two, three, four times within the space of half an hour. Evil deadburn showed me something new in horror in a genre that I thought I knew inside out in a series, in a property I thought I'd known inside out. It just, I thought it was the exact right type of malevolent creativity that I was looking for from this film. Knows that it doesn't really have to stop, right? And so it can show you just what the it wants and be as creative with the shots that it gives you. And some of the, some of the, some of the. That I can't. I, I can't. But I want to, man, I want to talk about. I'm Skip, just skip on if you haven't seen it yet, right? [01:43:21] Speaker B: But okay, from this point forward, don't listen. [01:43:24] Speaker A: When, when you told me that you didn't find innovation in Evil Dead Burn, I, I, I, I couldn't believe what I was hearing, right? [01:43:31] Speaker B: I mean, the whole time I just kept thinking, this is a Final Destination movie. And right down to even having the, the dishwasher kill and everything, like, I was like, like the, even before that, I was like, this whole thing, I was like, oh, this is all just Final Destination gags. Tons of Final Destination gags. [01:43:51] Speaker A: Series has form that all that is that series has form. You saw the Wood chipper at the beginning. [01:43:58] Speaker B: I've never felt that any other Evil Deads felt anything. Final Destination. Oh, but the telegraphing of kills was just over the top. [01:44:09] Speaker A: But it did get mentioned in the Q and A. But, you know, Vanechek is so intimately acquainted with what Elo Dead has done before that he was confident enough in this new one to subvert that. We see a chainsaw at some point and then just. It isn't used. [01:44:25] Speaker B: Everyone's going to the one thing in this entire thing that isn't used. Every other thing, there's going to be a 30 second lingering shot on had [01:44:35] Speaker A: it been that the director had been lazy enough to just do that and then not even subvert it, Allowing me to knock off half a star for being lazy by telling. Giving me, you know, Chekhov's dishwasher. The fact that you promised me that [01:44:49] Speaker B: she simply Chekhovs everything. I was like, yes, exactly. [01:44:54] Speaker A: Fine, fine, fine. But again, that clue by pulling away the chainsaw from under our feet. He knows what he's doing. And again, I, I, yeah. [01:45:04] Speaker B: Doing the thing 20 times and not doing it the once is not like a strong balance for me. I don't know, it just felt the entire time just very predictable. Very kind of like. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, and this is like, my thing is, I'm not a French extremity. Extremity person. And I find, like, beyond just gross because, like, obviously, you know that, like, you know, I do my blurry eye thing and stuff like that, but I do find, like, when violence is like, extreme, like so extreme the whole time and so dialed up like that. Yeah. Eventually it's like I just become like, so used to it that it's like you can't really. You have to kind of like bring something else into it besides just like, everything is very gross and violent or whatever. [01:45:47] Speaker A: And, well, that's when you bring in the woman who's been abused, you see. [01:45:50] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [01:45:52] Speaker A: And then she'll fight back against it all. [01:45:56] Speaker B: I mean, and that's just smoking a cigarette. Yeah, it's just, just smoking a cigarette. So they did. Yeah, they did. The end of Ready or Not, I was like, we watched this movie already. We saw this. Come on, you can't get the Ready or not ending. [01:46:10] Speaker A: I danced for joy that it had hip hop in it and so many people were smoking on the dots. [01:46:16] Speaker B: I just this movie, like, the main part of the movie opening on a black ass and you never see a black person again. In the movie. Also, that for some reason, he clearly runs, like, a club, but then at dinner, it's like he runs, like, an upscale restaurant that she needs to have a good palate for and, like, run [01:46:39] Speaker A: chefs, work in different environments on the chefs. [01:46:42] Speaker B: So his mom is very like, you need to work. You need to keep this club open. She's like, maybe the club is having a function. [01:46:53] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. Of all of all. I can suspend my disbelief. I can. [01:46:57] Speaker B: Just saying that was like, just one of those things. I was like, how. Why did it. Why does he run a different business than he did 20 minutes ago? But anyways, yeah, I just. This whole thing was just a. Yeah, all. It's like a compilation of just everything I hate about French movies. Essentially, if you threw them into an Evil Dead movie. [01:47:19] Speaker A: Threw them in. If you read them. If you read them out loud from an old book. I. I adored the law. I love the law changes. You know, as a. As a. I. I've been one of the circle of wise men. I love this idea of a society of deadite botherers or deadite killers or dead chasers. Who knows how it ties in elsewhere? Do we find out in Wrath? [01:47:42] Speaker B: Yeah. It seems like it's clearly going to. [01:47:44] Speaker A: It does, doesn't it? Yeah. Super into all of that. When I talk about things I've never seen before blowing me to pieces, what I'm talking about specifically is Edgar shooting himself in the head three times. [01:47:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. You were, like, really fixated on that one. Edgar does a lot of heavy lifting in this movie who is clearly not related to anyone. [01:48:09] Speaker A: I dodged every single trailer and didn't have a clue what was coming. [01:48:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:13] Speaker A: First of all. Holy. Wait a minute. That deadlight's got a gun stroke. That's one thing I've never seen a dead. I do. Bang. Derek shot himself in the mouth. Whoa. That's another thing I've never seen a Derek do. Oh, he shot himself inside. He's done four things I've never seen a dead act do in. In the space of one scene, he has a gun. He shot himself through the head three times. Amazing. I loved that. That divisive but intimate scene between the mom and Edgar after he's. After his head's full of holes and they have a nice big. [01:48:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:46] Speaker A: Frenchie, as they call it. [01:48:48] Speaker B: Is that what they call it? [01:48:50] Speaker A: Frenchie? [01:48:50] Speaker B: Is that what the French call it? [01:48:52] Speaker A: When you get right in there. [01:48:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:55] Speaker A: And she shares some fluids. Half a star. Kids kill the dog. Half a star. [01:49:02] Speaker B: Just kill the dog again and again and Again and again. [01:49:06] Speaker A: Half a star. You have to kill the dog. [01:49:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that. I mean, obviously, I don't think that I'm not as much of a like, oh, you can't. Especially because the way this was, like, built up by the time he did it, I was like, just kill the dog. You've been showing us you're gonna kill the dog for the past three minutes. Kill the dog and move on. [01:49:20] Speaker A: Simply did it. Didn't dwell on it. I see. [01:49:22] Speaker B: It did dwell on. Took many minutes of dwelling on it before it did it. [01:49:28] Speaker A: Is that not gonna do it? Is he not daring you then to believe, oh, maybe he's not gonna kill the dog? [01:49:33] Speaker B: No, Maybe the entire time it was very clear he's gonna kill. That was. There was no question at any point in my mind that he was gonna do it. And I was like, I get it. Fucking kill the dog. Just. Just do it. I think that was like. With everything in this. It was like it was always winding me up towards the kill that I was like, I see it. Just do it. Just do the kill. Just do it. [01:49:57] Speaker A: The aerial shots, the skittering about on the ceilings. Also love a bit of that. [01:50:02] Speaker B: I know you love us. [01:50:03] Speaker A: Mirror shot, for crying out loud. A M shot was delicious. [01:50:09] Speaker B: Which. [01:50:09] Speaker A: Which one was when they are in the house and the May is happening around them and you think she's running away. She is running towards you in a mirror and it is, how you say, spectacle [01:50:24] Speaker B: level. I don't remember that. [01:50:29] Speaker A: Just look. Everybody's calling it the mirror shot. Just look at the mirror shot. Okay. So, so on after that first viewing, when. When I heard from you that you didn't think it brought anything new, that it didn't innovate, I was astounded because I think there's so Evil Dead burn will very quickly. And I know I'm going to see that film a lot of time. [01:50:50] Speaker B: I had the thought towards the end of it that I was like, I'm general. Genuinely despairing at the idea of ever watching this again. I cannot imagine ever. [01:51:02] Speaker A: Freddy's dead. This is your. Your. [01:51:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:51:05] Speaker A: Street five. [01:51:07] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. 100. Like one miss. I. I like I said watching that. I think this is the thing is, like, I watched Infested and I didn't like it. So, like, that kind of foreshadows how I felt about this one because it had many of the same issues to me. Whereas watching the Yuma movie, I was like, I like. [01:51:32] Speaker A: I am looking forward to. I will get to that this week. [01:51:35] Speaker B: Yeah, you should. You should watch it. I think you'll. You'll see where it's like, obviously, I mean, this is why I've shot a film. There is. That's a cheap place to shoot. It's, you know, a low budget, one location spot, you know, But I think it does a lot with what it's going on. [01:51:51] Speaker A: Draw a line back to my original kind of experience in the theater. [01:51:55] Speaker B: It's. [01:51:56] Speaker A: It's probably the first time I've joined in on an ovation at the end of a movie. Clapping a movie when it finishes. [01:52:03] Speaker B: Were there any reactions at all during the movie? [01:52:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, there were plenty of. [01:52:09] Speaker B: Because I know, like, yeah, Ryan was saying in hers, people were pretty reactive. [01:52:14] Speaker A: The Prince Charles cinema is known as being a. You shut the fuck up. [01:52:18] Speaker B: But like, there's a difference between, like talking during it and reacting. [01:52:22] Speaker A: Nobody was chatting, but they were reactions all around. But yeah, you know, you'd sneak a look to your left and sneak a look to your right. And it was hands clasped over mouths. Eyes, people, you know, peeking behind eyes. I've had. I've had one friend tell me that he's had a couple of walkers in the site that in this. In the, like, they walked out. Two people have walked out. [01:52:41] Speaker B: There was no reaction from anyone in my theater except the guy next to me was eating chicken really loud. It's like, you don't need to eat chicken that loudly, buddy. [01:52:49] Speaker A: No, I agree with that. [01:52:50] Speaker B: You could put that away. [01:52:52] Speaker A: So what are you. What, I mean, what are we saying? What would you have enjoyed it if there was no theme? [01:53:02] Speaker B: I think that would have helped. Or like, you know, like, say with like 2013. Right. It's like, obviously you've got her coming in with her. Like, it. The thing is the detox situation, right? And it gives you. The way that it plays out in this is that it gives a reason why people, like, don't believe her. You know, it gives you a reason. Like Pete said. [01:53:23] Speaker A: That's exactly what Pete said. [01:53:24] Speaker B: Right. Like, so it makes her like, unreliable, but it's not really like, dwelt on throughout the movie. It's like, we know this is a thing about her. And it also does give her like, [01:53:34] Speaker A: a degree of, like, we have to keep bringing the abuse back because the family keep denying it. [01:53:41] Speaker B: Yeah, they don't need to do that. That's not the movie I want to watch. [01:53:46] Speaker A: But that's also why they're so vulnerable to the Deadites, because they're trying to protect this abuser until the Deadites get in you. [01:53:53] Speaker B: Right. It's Just not something I think that this franchise is equipped to deal with, or at least this director, but I don't think that it is. What Evil Dead is equipped to deal with is something that is as sensitive as being an abuse victim who is not believed by a family and things like that. Like, to use that as an in for Deadites or whatever just feels really dismissive of, like, what. Of what is actually, like, the reality of a situation like this, you know? And so I think taking that out would have helped any other. Like, she could still have, like, a shitty husband or whatever, you know, like, he can be shitty. That's fine. But I don't want it to be, like, constantly dwelled upon throughout the entire movie. And. And I have, like, other issues with it that just, like, are my, like, things right. Like, like, I don't like new French extremity. Right. So no matter what, the violence was always gonna bore me. [01:54:50] Speaker A: You know, I'm just going through some of the ones I've seen and some of the ones that we've seen. And you just don't. [01:54:56] Speaker B: You don't, like, don't like them. Yeah. So. And I don't, like, don't like it. You know, I have a base. [01:55:02] Speaker A: Moi. [01:55:04] Speaker B: You know, I have a little CGI tolerance. [01:55:09] Speaker A: Although before the T1000 at the end of the movie, I. I thought the physical work was exact. [01:55:14] Speaker B: I mean, what was. Physical work was good. The CGI was distracting to me. Wasn't a big fan ask. It's throughout the whole thing. [01:55:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe because of the palette that was being used. [01:55:26] Speaker B: Maybe because maybe it just looked like it. I don't know. [01:55:28] Speaker A: It didn't sit still for five minutes because it's all, you know, you're skipping about. [01:55:32] Speaker B: Yeah. The frenetic editing, I didn't love either. [01:55:35] Speaker A: Perfectly fine with me. Perfectly on brand. [01:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't like that. You know, just muddy look, where it's hard to. And stuff like that. That is not a thing that I like in movies. So it's just kind of like. Like, I think for all of that, even if you took out that stuff, it's just like, not, like you said, going through, like, a list of movies we've watched together and stuff like that. Like, it's all of which falls very firmly into the kind of movie that I'm just not super into. And like I said. And I was genuine when I said that. I was like, I hope everyone loves it as much as you. You know, I'm like, I did not enjoy it at all. Like, Kyo kind of came out of it. Like, that's fine. Like, it was gory, I guess. That's all I expect, you know, like, he didn't think it was good, but he was like. Like, you know, it was bloody. So I guess it met the assignment. But I. I think higher of Evil Dead than that. You know, as much as they are bloody and, you know, mean and all that kind of stuff, I do think that there's something a little more to them. But, yeah, I don't begrudge people enjoying it. It's part of a genre I'm not into. And I am. I'm going to keep beating the drum of I'm sick of white men for a long time until they stop being the only people allowed to make movies. [01:56:50] Speaker A: Okay, well, I wouldn't hold your breath for that. [01:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's gonna be a minute, I think. [01:56:59] Speaker A: Hey, who knows? Maybe we'll get. Greta Gerwig is making Freddy. Who knows? [01:57:03] Speaker B: Can you imagine? Give it to Nea da Costa. You know, give her Freddie. Oh, what? [01:57:12] Speaker A: Corali for Jo. [01:57:14] Speaker B: No, I don't want new French extremity. [01:57:18] Speaker A: Just a little bit. Directed by a woman. [01:57:20] Speaker B: Directed by a woman, but please, not a French woman. I love the substance, but come on. I don't. I don't want more of. [01:57:26] Speaker A: Just to close this out because I gotta get this out of my system, right. Because I've not done it once. They announced a new. A new Elm street study, for fuck's sake. So just to close this out, okay? Suck some directors at me. Come on. [01:57:35] Speaker B: Oh, for Elm Street. [01:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:57:39] Speaker B: Jordan Peele, Oz Perkins. Let's see. Who else would be fun with that, but who's not a white man? Would be really fun. [01:57:50] Speaker A: White men. Yeah. [01:57:53] Speaker B: Any white man could direct this. I would love if they. I think Elm street seems like. And again, it's paramount, so I don't know about this, but Elm street seems like primed for a woman director, if you ask me. [01:58:04] Speaker A: Well, Rachel Tall, they did one. [01:58:06] Speaker B: Well, that's true. Yeah, that's a good point. And it's one of your favorites. [01:58:10] Speaker A: Worked on many others. And she's great. [01:58:13] Speaker B: Yeah, she's. I mean, I don't. She's probably not gonna. She's still alive. [01:58:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, she's still alive and still immensely entertaining and such a powerhouse of a woman. [01:58:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, it'd be cool if they had her do it, but I don't think that's gonna be a thing. [01:58:28] Speaker A: Plus, listen, they are gonna wanna play this one safe. [01:58:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, very true. [01:58:33] Speaker A: They've got to Start a new in revenue stream here with a new Freddy and you're not going to get a woman directing this. [01:58:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Sucks. [01:58:40] Speaker A: I'll tell you something. If they, if they went that way and if they wanted a gender swapped Freddy. [01:58:46] Speaker B: Oh, hello. [01:58:49] Speaker A: You will not find a single angle, a single angle that I have not thought of over the desolate years of yearning for this new. [01:58:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:58:56] Speaker A: And there is a perfect choice for a gender swapped Freddy Krueger. [01:59:01] Speaker B: Is it. [01:59:03] Speaker A: It's guessable. It's guess. Is it right now and you know it. [01:59:07] Speaker B: What's her face? Come on. Corgan Samara Weaving. [01:59:14] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. It's actually Tilda Swinton. [01:59:16] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Interesting. [01:59:21] Speaker A: Perfect. [01:59:21] Speaker B: Nice. Well, we'll see. [01:59:24] Speaker A: Oh, let's see. You're also going to see a lot of people saying Richard Break. Yeah. [01:59:28] Speaker B: Who is in the last stop in Yuma. [01:59:32] Speaker A: There you go. I'm sure he'd be great, but it's a broke ass pick. Sorry. Nope. You're gonna get a lot of people saying Richard Bacon. Nope. He's almost as old as Robert England is now. [01:59:41] Speaker B: Which one's Richard Bacon? [01:59:42] Speaker A: Richard bacon. Footloose, Friday 13th. Richard. Richard Bacon. Apollo man. Richard Bacon. [01:59:50] Speaker B: Okay, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, gotcha. I've never seen Footloose. I don't like dance movies. [01:59:58] Speaker A: I said a few years back, he's too, he's, he's too expensive now. But I said Gogins. [02:00:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, for sure. Come on. Yeah, that would be, that would be pretty spot on. I don't know. You never know. [02:00:14] Speaker A: Every now and again, gemstones, gogging. Unless you're, you know, not that Goggins at all. No, a different kind of Goggins we haven't seen yet. Walton Goggins I think would be great. [02:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean if you look at like Justified and things like that, he plays a good sort of villainous, quirky type and he's very angular and [02:00:35] Speaker A: do they, do they make him a child molester in the new ones or not? [02:00:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna say they're gonna, they're going to avoid that, I would wager. We don't do chimo things. Not in this current society. [02:00:52] Speaker A: Because there's right. Right now as you and I speaking, there's a meeting happening in Paramount with right. Just a load of white men around a board going, so, guys, do we. What are the millennials. What are the kids saying about the child molesters in 20, 20, 28? Should we. What we do? [02:01:11] Speaker B: It's true. It's a, it's absolutely incredible. [02:01:13] Speaker A: Where's left Us a little gift, didn't he? To. To always ponder on with with that franchise how just how child molested we make Freddie. [02:01:22] Speaker B: How much are we gonna harp on that? [02:01:24] Speaker A: My good friend Mark Llewellyn once called Freddy Krueger movie's most popular child molester. I knew this is wrong. [02:01:31] Speaker B: Yeah, can't. Can't think of. Can't think of a different one. So yeah, we'll go with that. [02:01:35] Speaker A: And Robert Englund to have made the best career from playing a child molester. [02:01:39] Speaker B: Playing a child molester that nobody like really connects it that way. [02:01:44] Speaker A: Interesting. [02:01:45] Speaker B: What a guy. [02:01:47] Speaker A: What a cast. [02:01:49] Speaker B: So friends, many of you have already given your takes on Evil Dead burn in the watch along chat and whatnot on our discord. But if you have other insights to add, feel free to do that or about other things we should watch or you know, if you watch the Last Exit to Yuma, let me know what you think of that. As well you should. I'm actually going to say you should watch that. Do your research. [02:02:13] Speaker A: I'm looking forward to it. [02:02:13] Speaker B: I'm looking forward on your next. Yeah, on your next guy of these movies, if you have a good horror movie not directed by a white guy that I should watch, please tell me about that as well. [02:02:24] Speaker A: Some numbers for you here. Right. This is my friends who have watched. So we have a four and a half. Four and a half. Four, three, five is Eileen. Yes. Ryan was the five. I think we have three and a half. Three and a half. Four, four, four, four, four, two. That's you. [02:02:50] Speaker B: It's like at least not like an entire outlier. Like you do have some threes and three and a half. [02:02:56] Speaker A: Since you've had not a single complimentary thing to say about it. What did it get the two stars? [02:02:59] Speaker B: Yeah, what did the two stuff that. That's a good question. [02:03:02] Speaker A: I argued you knocking it down. [02:03:05] Speaker B: No, no, no. I mean, I don't know. It's tough. I feel like. Well, I think it's because it is not to give it like half a star or whatever would be for me to say like this is out and out a bad film. Right. And I wouldn't go that far. Right. It is a film that I do not like in a genre I do not like and things like that. But to like like go lower than a two is to say like this was shitty and no one should watch this and technically all of the things were wrong and I don't think that's the case. [02:03:38] Speaker A: Going below two, you've gotta, you gotta. [02:03:40] Speaker B: It's gotta really be like, yeah, right, exactly. I want to fight you. But then I wouldn't be like, I hope you all loved it. I'd be like, why the are you assholes watching this movie? It's terrible. This is not that kind of movie. It has, you know, skill behind it. And like you said, it is the movie he wanted to make. It's just not the movie I wanted to watch. So that's why it's not a. I can't go less than 2 on that. [02:04:06] Speaker A: It was only. I was pondering about it on the drive home, the beautiful, beautiful drive home with London in my rearview mirror. The sun. The sun going down. The sky was clean and clear and pink and orange as it got deeper and deeper. And I was thinking of the film, thinking of the film. And you know, my bit about Evil Dead flavors. They all are flavored different, but the core is the same. And had I had the chance to ask a question, many did, but I was passed over, unfortunately, I would have asked. Every single one of these movies is their own thing, their own flavor, but with that unmistakable Evil Dead essence that they call. What do you think that essence is? How would you describe. [02:04:47] Speaker B: It's a really good question. [02:04:48] Speaker A: That's what I would have given him. If you had to try and describe. To capture that, As I think I would have said in his language perfectly. [02:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [02:05:02] Speaker A: How would you describe it? He spoke in perfect English, but he didn't speak French once. Yeah, I. I would have loved his. His view. [02:05:07] Speaker B: And I would. I would put that instead. Yeah, I would put that to other people, like, to our listeners. What do you think think is the core? Because for me, whatever that is was not there for you. It very much was. You didn't see. [02:05:22] Speaker A: It wasn't there for you at all. You didn't know it didn't feel Evil Dead for you. [02:05:28] Speaker B: It didn't feel like Evil Dead at all to me. And so, yeah, tell us what you think the core is. The thing I'll have to think on a little more, but that was one of the things I came out of it with, was like, that could have been anything. Didn't really have to be Evil Dead. And so, yeah, what do you think? What do you think it is? Whether you were like, this is the ideal Evil Dead or not. What is Cord? [02:05:53] Speaker A: Wherever you've set it right, whether you're in the cabin in the woods or whether you're in the fucking, you know, in the 1300s, in. In the past, in medieval times, or whether you're in a cabin in the woods again with kids or whether you're in a high rise. Evil Dead is relentless. [02:06:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:06:11] Speaker A: It is demonic. It is nasty. [02:06:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:06:17] Speaker A: It is inventive. Sure it is. It does not. It does not ever let up. And it is gory as a son of a. Those just those few elements is at the start. That's the best I can come to describing it. Just. Just. Just as a stop. [02:06:35] Speaker B: But yeah, I think there's more to think on though. Yeah, definitely. So let us know your thoughts. You know where to find us. [02:06:43] Speaker A: You're gonna find us for sure soon. You would find us. Meet you in London, mate. [02:06:47] Speaker B: That's right. Hell yeah. [02:06:48] Speaker A: If you've got. Tell you what, come along if you want to go to the jog meet, which is going to be a great time. Come along if you've got beef. [02:06:56] Speaker B: Yeah. When it comes to fisticuffs about this. Let's do that. This throw down beef. [02:07:02] Speaker A: Some beef with what I said about AM Wum earlier. Meet you outside, meets outside Tesco's, meets outside Pret. Outside some tube stations. [02:07:17] Speaker B: Couldn't even think of like the one you get off at for anything like that. [02:07:20] Speaker A: I've told you, I don't have instant recall in my memories anymore. I ask my brain, then it tells me a few seconds later. [02:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah, Mar nuts here. [02:07:27] Speaker A: Your work. [02:07:28] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [02:07:30] Speaker A: Nothing creepy about that, although. But I'm gonna be grateful for that information in years to come when I lose all of my. [02:07:36] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, you're gonna be really happy I remember these things. [02:07:39] Speaker A: I'm gonna walk you around some of my spots, young girl. [02:07:42] Speaker B: Yes. This is gonna be so much fun. Can't wait. All right, friends. So I believe we have but one thing to bestow upon them and that is our blessing. [02:07:52] Speaker A: Yes, Marco in nominee Domini Stay Spookenum.