Ep. 275: you're supposed to bury the bodies

[00:00:04] Speaker A: All right, set a bit of context here, right? Set a little bit of Jack of All Graves context as you lock in for this episode. I don't think this has happened before in. [00:00:18] Speaker B: I don't know. Do you not think it's. Listen, we are two weeks shy of six years into this. I don't know. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. It could have happened before, but maybe to my memory, as I sit here right now, I can't remember a time where I have jo. Aged myself into a corner. Into a corner. I've really left myself nowhere to go. Right, yeah. This evening, and as I speak to you all, it's half nine on Monday evening here in the uk and I have been researching and putting together a topic which has. [00:00:59] Speaker B: For two days. [00:01:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I've been. I've been dealing with this for a couple of days. I've had this fucking thing in my head for two days and it has absolutely bummed me the fuck out. Right. It's been a tense couple of days anyway, just whatever. But I literally, 10 minutes before Corrigan and I turned up to record this episode, I thought, I don't even want to fucking talk about this. [00:01:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:01:23] Speaker A: Because it's fucking horrible. That's not to say I will never talk of it. That's not to say I'm not gonna talk about it. Because it's done. I've fucking done the piece. I've researched it, I've read all of the bits and it's ready to go. I'm not just gonna right click delete that. I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it in my fucking pocket for a dark Sunday, right? Tell you what. [00:01:45] Speaker B: But it is not a dark Sunday. [00:01:46] Speaker A: But it's not for tonight. This, right, this one that I'm. That I've veered away from. I'm gonna tuck this away. This is a. This is a mid January opener, right? [00:01:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:59] Speaker A: This is from. [00:02:00] Speaker B: For your dark season. [00:02:01] Speaker A: When it gets really fucking rough in the end of January, [00:02:09] Speaker B: when you start, you know, idly scrolling your dark web, that's. That's when we pull this back out. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Come a time about January, they're 13th, 14th, when I'm going to start looking for gore videos, right? And debating, ah, I've had a couple of years without some drugs now I deserve some drugs. Oh, I bought a vapor. That's fine. That's when I'll do this topic. [00:02:37] Speaker B: That's when we pull this. This one out of the pocket. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah, when I'll do this one. But not tonight, listeners. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah, not tonight. No, we, we determined and as such, obviously we, we are changing directions on the fly here, hoping you'll bear with us. Yeah. Because we just, we had a little chat. We were like, yeah, no, this is, this is, it's the end of the summer. People are bummed out enough about that as it is. You know, not me. I'm ready for it to be fall as at this point I do, I do not want another day. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Hey, I'll tell you what, over 82 degrees was absolutely fascinating. I can't remember who it was who drew my attention to this, but there is a website which gives you live visualizations on a map of the world, on a global map of fires. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Oh yes. [00:03:34] Speaker A: You can just great zoom in anywhere in the world and get live relayed live graphic data on what is on fire. And a lot of it is on fire. [00:03:46] Speaker B: Well, and the other end of that right now on the Big island where my in laws live. [00:03:51] Speaker A: That's Hawaii, isn't it? [00:03:52] Speaker B: Had that. Yes. Of the Big island of Hawaii. Thank you. They just got hit by a hurricane. I think it swerved them slightly. It would have been the first one to like make landfall on the Big island and like recorded history or something like that. I think it like just skirted so it's like went around them. It's just a tropical storm. But like a hundred homes slid off of their, like just straight off of their foundations and like everything is flooded and all of this over there and you know, so that's like, it's super fun, the climate. [00:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I don't. Granted, I don't have much in the way of a frame of reference. I haven't been keeping an eye on fires for long, so I don't. So you know my assertion that, oh, it seems like a lot is on fire. I don't know what, but it looks like a lot. Canada, for example. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Well, Canada, yeah, exactly. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Canadians. [00:04:47] Speaker B: Canadians have been talking about that a lot on, on the socials, saying like, I can't remember, you know, any time before the past three or four years where we had like huge wildfires like this and now we keep on having them. So yeah, that's, that's neat and fun. And we've already swerved into January here, January topics, just right out the gate where what we were trying to do is that a couple weeks ago before the meetup, which we'll talk about, we did have a plan on something that we had as like a main topic and then we were both like, I'm tired, we have something to do. And we went to sleep. [00:05:27] Speaker A: Go on, please. Okay. [00:05:29] Speaker B: You made a sound that sounded like you were going to creek out something. And that topic came up on our discord, which was that over in your neck of the woods. And maybe you can fill. Because I don't have anything about this particularly, but maybe you can fill in some of the details here. There was an incident with, like, a funeral home situation right where. [00:05:53] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, my God. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Go on and fill us in on what happened over there. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Yeah, we were going to talk this through some weeks back, but we aren't a topical podcast. We aren't a news podcast. Felt hacky. So this is the right time to bring this up. I think I would lead with a question to you, I think, on this. [00:06:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:06:12] Speaker A: Do you much give a shit what becomes of your earthly remains after your death? Do you really give a fuck? Do you really care? [00:06:22] Speaker B: That's a really good question because I think I. I startled you once when we talked about the situation with, like, who was it who, like, had, like, defiled a bajillion corpses? And there were, like, videos and shit like that of was someone we talked about a few years ago. This is a British situation. [00:06:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, for sure. The. What was his name? [00:06:45] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:47] Speaker A: Morgrat. [00:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Just like hundreds or whatever of, like, hard drives, photos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. All of this stuff recorded. Lots of stuff for the cops to comb through and. But I had said at the time, I was like, honestly, like, it's gross, but at the end of the day, they're like, dead. Like, you know, as far as crimes go, it is a crime that is entirely based on kind of like your beliefs about the dead or whatever and things like that, which to me, I'm like, I mean, who the fuck cares? They're not like, I. I care because the families are upset, not because I think there's anything sacred about a corpse. You know what I mean? [00:07:29] Speaker A: I care up to just past the point of I don't want anybody molesting me. [00:07:36] Speaker B: I mean, better when I'm dead than when I'm alive. Like, that's it. That's kind of my. My take on that whole thing. Like, you're not like, I don't know, it's just hard for me to care what happens to my body when I'm not in it. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:51] Speaker B: Like, someone molests it, someone burns it. Like, I'm not there. Nobody's home. Well, that's kind of my. [00:07:59] Speaker A: You're right. It's all about the family. So I'll talk to you about this guy I'll talk to you about Robert. [00:08:04] Speaker B: Tell me about what happened to him. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:06] Speaker A: And what this case has done, really, it seems over here, is to shine a very harsh and unforgiving light on the industry of death. Right. The industry of post mortem care or otherwise. I don't expect you to have this answer off the top of your head, but is it sure? Is it a regulated industry in the States? Do you have to adhere to anything? [00:08:34] Speaker B: It very much is. [00:08:35] Speaker A: Is it? [00:08:36] Speaker B: Yes. And we'll get into this. It's absolutely regulated. However, we have a lot of cases like the one that happened with you, of those regulations failing, people getting around them, all kinds of things like that, leading to some pretty shifty practices. Right. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Cuz over here, it isn't right. I could. [00:09:00] Speaker B: It's not at all. There's no regulations. [00:09:02] Speaker A: None. I could print a fucking certificate off from Canva right now and frame it and put it up on my wall [00:09:11] Speaker B: and I'm a Bang Morgloris Funeral parlor. [00:09:18] Speaker A: I will always pop for more. Glorious. I love that. I love him. I love that guy. I think I see him from time to time. I think I see him watching me. Like I'm just drawing the curtains before I go to sleep. But I. He start kneeling down behind my car. Is that fucking Moris? [00:09:34] Speaker B: You texted me while I was in the shower before and I like reached out of the curtain and like pulled up the thing and you changed your picture to that Moris photo. And I immediately was like. Like, this is just. I just don't need to see that when I'm in the shower. [00:09:49] Speaker A: Who came up with Morris? Who was that? [00:09:52] Speaker B: It was. It was Alfie. [00:09:53] Speaker A: Cuz that's brilliant. Absolutely. [00:09:56] Speaker B: And for those of you who don't, maybe if this is your first episode or whatever, Mark Loris is the AI version of Mark that his work created. I do a lot of that is [00:10:06] Speaker A: just uncanny Valley video learning and recording kind of tutorials and stuff for work. And I've had thumbnails made of me. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:17] Speaker A: A la Mr. Beast or whatever. And it's me. But it isn't fucking horrible. [00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah. It's truly strange. [00:10:23] Speaker A: Anyways, go on, what were we even saying? [00:10:27] Speaker B: I was like, I sure hope you know where that came from because I have lost. Lost it already. Oh, you were. It's not regulated. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Right? It isn't. It isn't regulated. I suspect it will be soon, however. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. I mean, to have made it to 2026, the. The country that brought us. What do they call those? Resurrection men. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:10:50] Speaker B: You know? [00:10:50] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:10:51] Speaker B: Like what, a Birkenhair. Guys who would dig up bodies and, [00:10:55] Speaker A: you know, we kind of have a history here, don't we? [00:10:58] Speaker B: Yeah, you've got a history when it comes to barrel. You would have thought that they would have, like, early on regulated this whole thing. [00:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So we got a geezer here by the name of Robert Bush who operated out of what appeared on the news to be just like a. Just a lockup, right, A fucking garage, okay, with his home next to it. And some of the most gripping almost you could imagine this being like a segment of a VHS movie, you know, the VHS series on Shudder, right? Police. I don't know if they were body cams or phone camera footage or what, of the police after, you know, unraveling this. This case, gaining access to this lockup and in pitch dark, just through torchlight, right, exploring this lockup and finding bags and shoeboxes and piles of fucking. Always shoeboxes, always shoeboxes, yes, but piles of clothes and effects of the dead that had been just lying there for years, untouched. It became clear that for a long time, for like 10, 12 years, this geezer had been misrepresenting the quality of his service. Why don't we put it like that? [00:12:28] Speaker B: And what was his. Because obviously this was not the funeral home. People were not going and actually seeing this. So was he saying that, like, I'm. I do cremations or I do burials or, like, what was he supposed to be doing that he was ending up with these bodies? [00:12:45] Speaker A: So he. A funeral director, a funeral operator, right? [00:12:49] Speaker B: So he was actually doing the funerals? [00:12:51] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, yes. [00:12:52] Speaker B: I assume that this was someone who was like, you know, they were sending it, like, as a secondary thing, right? Like, oh, the funeral's held, then they send the body here. How do people not notice when they go to the funeral? Well, that it's in somebody's garage. [00:13:08] Speaker A: The funeral would take place in a, you know, in a venue, in a chapel. But when you're, you know, when you're at a funeral and the fucking curtains go down, then they don't then wheel the fucking coffin off and burn it. You know, it doesn't happen right there and then. So what was, right, what this guy was essentially doing is fake funerals. You know, he would kind of stage the funeral, he'd have, you know, the coffin, he would collect the money and the cremation would supposedly happen afterwards. But he didn't. He was spending all the fucking money on his own lifestyle, right? Over, like I said, 10 years from 2012 onwards, he spent, it's reported, like 42 grand on holidays. Hell, you know, he had a racing hobby, motorcycle racing hobby. He spent some 20 grand on that, 18 grand doing up his house, just spending shit, buying shit, eating out. And framed this to cops as well. It was just the one time when it got to, you know, I was just trying to catch up on my finances. Da, da, da, da, da. But he spent fucking, you know what must be knocking on about a hundred grand on sustaining a very extravagant lifestyle while literally in the fucking garage next to his work premises, bodies and piles of cremains were just mounting up. [00:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Given the family's giving them the wrong ashes in a lot of cases, right? There were cases when, you know, families were given just. And these were fucking crudely printed boxes. Crudely printed boxes with his fucking logo on them. He, they, you know, this guy would be trusted to take care of the personal effects of the dead. You know, there were families who'd taken the supposed remains of their loved ones and, you know, used them to make jewelry and fucking like you do permanent kind of memorials. Like there are services you can, you can do. And these are the wrong fucking ashes. Like, these were the wrong. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Fucking people. There was a case where he handed ashes over to a family in like a fucking carrier bag. [00:15:49] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:50] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:15:50] Speaker B: Went to Target and was like, here. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Well, hobby craft. In fact, a high street fucking hobby shop where you buy crafting materials and fucking gift cards and whatever, greetings cards. Even more, even more upsetting. Yeah, There we go. 1.5 million, right? [00:16:08] Speaker B: Between $1.5 million. [00:16:10] Speaker A: Pounds. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Pounds, right? Yes. [00:16:13] Speaker A: Went even to his. [00:16:15] Speaker B: More dollars. [00:16:16] Speaker A: Loads more dollars went into his account between 2017 and 2024 from his funeral business into his personal account. [00:16:26] Speaker B: What's wild about that too is like, that's so much money, right? Over the course of 10 years or whatever. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Less than 10 years, if he had, [00:16:35] Speaker B: like done his job, he still would have had so much money. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Like, if he had actually done what he was paid to do, he still would have had so much money. There's no reason to just like live with bodies instead of like doing what needed to be done, even like on a basic level, you know. Yeah. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Just complete dereliction of duty. There was nothing, you know, and all right, we're jogging this up and kind of being a bit light hearted about the case, but there was a, you know, there were cases of unborn children, unborn babies that he failed to offer funeral care for. [00:17:20] Speaker B: I think you probably mean, like stillborn Stillborn. [00:17:22] Speaker A: Yes, that's exactly what I mean. A. A child. A fucking child's remains in a paper bag on the floor. [00:17:33] Speaker B: We'll get to some of that in some American cases as well, that. [00:17:37] Speaker A: That had been there for four years. Yeah, like a moldy fucking baby corpse in a bag on the floor for years, man, while this geezer is fucking going to center Parks. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Right, That's. Yeah, it's like I said, I think, you know, when it comes to. I don't know what you do with dead bodies, it's an empty, empty vessel as far as I'm concerned. But there's a lot of, you know, things wrapped up in how families feel about this stuff. A lot of religious beliefs and spiritual beliefs and things like that. There's a lot of just general sort of social ideas about, like, the sacredness of a body and things like that. And then on top of it, like, disease and all kinds of other. That comes from just keeping corpses around. Like, that's not healthy to do either. You're really, you know, taking a lot of risks there when you're keeping decaying corpses around on multiple levels. And just like. I don't know, it's just like, such a. The idea of doing it and then just like, taking all the money and, like, driving your motorcycles or whatever, too. It's like, come the fuck on. [00:18:54] Speaker A: I can. I mean, I've been in positions in my life where past a certain point when things stack up, you just don't know where to start. Unfucking things. [00:19:08] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:19:09] Speaker A: So completely fucked. Past the point of no return. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like. It's like what we talked about. [00:19:18] Speaker A: The brakes are off and you're just riding and waiting for it to all crash and I guess, I don't know, trying to be as empathetic as I can, I guess. [00:19:26] Speaker B: Right. To, like, what happened here. Yeah. I mean, it's like what we've talked about with Laura from the podcast. What's the podcast called? Love. Love Trapped. Yeah, Love Trapped. It's like, you know, there's. There was a point a long time ago where she should have cut that off. And then you reach a point where it's like, there is no one. This. You. You. You gotta lean into it, I guess, because there's no backing out of the issue you've created for yourself here, you know? So that does happen. And, in fact, one of the stories that I looked up here, and we're basically gonna do kind of a, like, Marco reacts, if you will. I'm just reading Obviously we didn't prep for this. It was last minute here. And, and so, you know, I'm just reading from these stories, but there was one of these that I saw that it was basically, you know, this guy had said, like, you know, if you're looking for like answers as to why I did this, like, I wish I could, I wish I could give you one, but I don't really know why I did it. You know, it's like I just, I just did. I think it was this one. Let's see. [00:20:42] Speaker A: While you're. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Well, let's go on. [00:20:43] Speaker A: You're just checking that out. It's grimly hilarious to me that Robert Bush's barrister at his trial didn't even argue that his client was innocent. He. They didn't even fucking argue it. They just. Right, you know, tried to mitigate it with, you know, his, his clean criminal record and his, his plea of guilty. They didn't even. [00:21:08] Speaker B: This is the one thing he did wrong. It might be kind of a biggie, but it's the, the one thing he did. I am curious though too, like what is. Because it's not a regulated industry. What were like the charges that he faced or is facing for this? [00:21:25] Speaker A: Absolutely fantastic question. So he was charged with a crime of preventing a lawful and decent burial. 30 counts of that. Much like matey boy from Porthcall with his mam in the freezer from a couple of weeks back. [00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Preventing a lawful and decent burial. What else is on the rap sheet? False representation, fraud, theft from charities. The guy would, you know, stole charitable donations. The guy's just a shit bag and got some 20 odd years. 20 years. 20 years imprisonment. Yes. For 67 offenses. [00:22:11] Speaker B: That's a lot of. That's a lot of offenses. And you know, it's interesting, I. For whatever reason, a lot of the ones that happen here in Colorado, I don't know if they. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Oh, is that right? [00:22:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know why that is, but I don't know. We can kind of go through several of these things. One of the things that I'd love [00:22:30] Speaker A: to hear from you right now. [00:22:32] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're in Colorado, what the fuck's going on? Yeah. Huge cases that have come out of here. But one that kind of related to what you're talking about with the wrong ashes thing was like literally in the news at around the same time that your, your man was in the news as well just a few weeks ago that it was on the news around here. A Queen's New York family is demanding answers after they Say a funeral home mistakenly cremated their 93 year old mother despite her documented wish to be buried. Oh no, they, yeah, they cremated, apparently cremated her and a box of ashes was returned to them. Which obviously in and of itself is like, you know, if you have like beliefs about this. When we were in the cemetery a couple weeks ago, you know, it was like the idea that people had about like, you know, you, your body needs [00:23:21] Speaker A: to be whole, you must be made [00:23:23] Speaker B: in the afterlife, things like that. Like, I think a lot of people do kind of have still those kinds of beliefs about, you know, bodies. Like there's sort of this hang up about like that you don't cremate someone because there's this little bit of like you're destroying the person. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:41] Speaker B: You know, and so they cremated this body, but on top of it they're like, you know, they were going to send this body back to Guyana to be buried, which obviously they can't do. But they're like, we don't even know if these are her ashes. [00:23:56] Speaker A: Yes. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Like, how do we know if they made this kind of mistake? Like, this could be anybody. What other mistakes have they made in this funeral home? [00:24:08] Speaker A: Very tough to restore trust after you do that shit. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Yeah, very much so. [00:24:17] Speaker A: You know, for, for Robert Bush's. I'm gonna call them victims. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Sure. [00:24:23] Speaker A: If I've been given a box of assorted bits that I thought was, you know, my nan. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:35] Speaker A: There's no way back. What am I gonna do? [00:24:37] Speaker B: Yeah. What? It can't, can't prove it. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Go into the pile. I mean, sift through the pile and look for bits. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Look for. Right. [00:24:45] Speaker A: You can't, you can't, you can't unfuck that. [00:24:49] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. I, it's a thing that I have thought of. It's like, you know, I wonder if maybe that actually happens more often than we know. And like, because you do not know whose ashes you have. I have. My, my grandmother's ashes are sitting up on our, our mantle. Maybe they're not hers. Maybe there's somebody's pet dog. No idea. No way that I can tell. Her ashes look exactly like everybody else. [00:25:13] Speaker A: And you have looked at them, have you? [00:25:15] Speaker B: I think I pulled them out once. Just be like, hey, what's this? It was like literally just like a plastic bag because it's in like a [00:25:20] Speaker A: really nice urn, but within the urn is a, is a bag. [00:25:24] Speaker B: It's like a little. Yeah, a little bag of ashes. It just looks like ashes. Just sand. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Fascinating. And are they in a plastic bag? Right. Now, you haven't poured the bag into the urn? [00:25:36] Speaker B: No, no, I'm not taking. I. Listen, if I knock that urn over, I don't want to have to vacuum up my grandmother. [00:25:42] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. Should you [00:25:46] Speaker B: imagine my mother would not be pleased with me should that happen? So as long as it's in the bag, I cannot accidentally have a dead body all over my living room. [00:25:58] Speaker A: No, that's fine. Robert Bush had no such qualms. He had no such. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Yes, right. All over the place. [00:26:04] Speaker A: Stacking him up. [00:26:05] Speaker B: This place was J. Foster Phillips Funeral Home. That's been around since 1929. And they are, like I said, we have regulations. So they are a licensed funeral home in New York State. So, you know, seems licensed being the word. Licensed. Yes, exactly. So there are licenses, there's certifications, there's inspections. So funeral homes are supposed to be fairly regularly inspected. [00:26:32] Speaker A: Inspect the casket. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Oh, nicely done. Well done. [00:26:39] Speaker A: Where the fuck did that come from? That was amazing. [00:26:42] Speaker B: I know. It just came out, like. I could see, like, as it came out of your mouth. It was like spawning. Another one. This. This is pretty grim, but also related to what you talked about. So, you know, little content warning for baby bodies. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:01] Speaker B: Here. But this one, the headline on the article was investigator Infant bodies found at Fort Worth Mortuary had melted. [00:27:13] Speaker A: Oh, shut up. [00:27:14] Speaker B: Yep. The decayed state of the remains found inside the Johnson family mortuary last year were difficult to identify. According to testimony during the theft trial of one of the funeral's home owners. Funeral home's owners. One child's body was located in a casket while another child's liquefied remains were located in a plastic bin, said Steve White. Let's see, White, said Dondre Johnson, who is facing two counts of felony theft. So I guess that's the charge that you get in this case. Walked him through the mortuary and attempted to help identify the bodies that were there. He remembered the names of some of the dead that were stored at the mortuary, but some he could not identify. [00:27:57] Speaker A: It's the disrespect. And I don't know, man, I thought I'd pulled back from the brink when I decided to. To pocket this week's opener. Right. But invoking liquefied remains is really liquefied. I'm. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Proper out the frying pan into the fire here. [00:28:18] Speaker B: Well, true, yeah. It's a different kind of thing, but the focus is not on. There's only this one that has liquefied babies in it, but it said obviously identifying their bodies was the like, most difficult task of all of those things. Right. Like. [00:28:36] Speaker A: And look, it needs saying, and it's the elephant in the room. I've got to acknowledge it. The smell. How do you. [00:28:44] Speaker B: Well, yeah, exactly. [00:28:46] Speaker A: And work around that and tell yourself that it's going to be okay. How do you carry on? [00:28:53] Speaker B: You see often in these things that it's like the stench finally gets to the point that, like, neighbors. [00:28:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:59] Speaker B: Start complaining about things and whatnot, and that ends up being the thing that, you know, causes them to finally be found out, which I don't know is the case in this case. Like, it seems like there's, like, kind of a criminal enterprise going on. The guy's wife was, like, already in jail for food stamps charges, so, you know, kind of. Yeah, exactly. So they were. They're accused of accepting payments to cremate and bury bodies, but not actually doing that. And in the case of the babies, the issue is that, like, there's high temperatures in the area where they were stored, which caused them to rapidly decompose. And I mean, this is interesting, if awful, but they said that since their bones have not developed, the fetal remains are liquid at that point. So when we opened up the casket, the fetal remains had actually melted into the casket, like, basically becoming indistinguishable from the casket itself. So, you know, pretty horrifying sort of situation here of people who seem like they're just scammers. [00:30:10] Speaker A: You're talking about human life or, more to the point, human death. [00:30:16] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Treated so disrespectfully, it is nothing more than a stainless steel ex. [00:30:23] Speaker B: That's exactly it. That's 100 it. I think that really gets to the heart of, like, how callous this is, you know, something that's especially, you know, to families who lose a child. That's about, like, the, you know, worst thing that can happen to a family. And to know that then they've just been, like, melting into a casket for several years and he doesn't even know which baby is which. Like, come the on, dude. [00:30:50] Speaker A: Like, one of these. One of those. One of them. [00:30:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely either this one or this one, I think. [00:30:57] Speaker A: Give me a second rummage, right? [00:30:59] Speaker B: And it's the idea that, like, you know, his wife is already, like, in jail for benefit fraud is like, kind of that they just are looking at it like just another scam you run on people, you know, that you're. It's just another way to defraud people. I'm not thinking about, like, the human cost of doing this. [00:31:17] Speaker A: You Know, was this guy. Was your guy living the high life also at the same time, was he spending the proceeds? [00:31:26] Speaker B: I. I mean, I'm. It doesn't say in here that, like, they were, like, doing anything, like, super crazy with that money. It doesn't say, you know, they were racing motorcycles or anything like that. But, you know, in the benefit fraud case, it says that his wife was ordered to pay $76,494 in restitution on that alone. So they were clearly making money off of these scams. I mean, $77,000 is a lot of money that they made off of the. The food stamp scam. I don't know how much they were making off of the. The other scam that they were running with the bodies, but I would wager they were living at least, you know, fairly well in doing this. [00:32:09] Speaker A: That's so again, just boil it down. Just thieving and making a dirty fucking profit off hunger and death. These two. [00:32:19] Speaker B: Right, Exactly. [00:32:21] Speaker A: Could not be more repulsed. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that really is like, kind of like just like both ends of the spectrum, isn't it? It's like people grieving, you're making money off of that, and then you're stealing from people who need food by running a benefit scam as well. Like, fucking hell. [00:32:39] Speaker A: I mean, there is pretty. There is no hell, but, you know. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but you want to. You want there to be. [00:32:46] Speaker A: Fingers crossed. Hope I'm wrong. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Weirdly, the punishment for that is two years in prison and a $10,000 fine, which seems. [00:32:56] Speaker A: That seems light, right? [00:32:59] Speaker B: Like, all right, again, obviously I'm an abolitionist, but since prison exists, that does seem light as a punishment for that particular bounty o crimes, I guess you'd [00:33:13] Speaker A: say, well, we need to create a society where he didn't feel as though he needed to keep a liquid baby in his. [00:33:20] Speaker B: I mean, pretty much when you have something as obvious as fraud. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Well, yes, [00:33:29] Speaker B: you don't commit fraud when you don't have. When you have everything you. You need. But anyways, in this case, let's see. So let's hit another one here. [00:33:42] Speaker A: I love that noise, by the way. [00:33:46] Speaker B: You're welcome. So let's. Let's hit one of these Colorado ones here. Colorado Springs, Colorado. So a former Colorado funeral home owner who helped her ex husband hide nearly 200 decomposing bodies was sentenced to three 30 years in prison in a case that forced the state to clamp down on an industry plagued by repeated scandal and notoriously lacks oversight. Which I think, again, gets to the heart of what we're talking about it's technically regulated, but people don't seem to be paying enough attention to that. [00:34:19] Speaker A: I wonder why that is. Is it because of the nature of the work? I wonder. Is it because. [00:34:23] Speaker B: Yeah, right. I don't know. Like, there's there no office that takes care of this specific thing. [00:34:29] Speaker A: I wonder if that's because death exists, you know, in. In. In whispers and somber rooms and ceremony. Is it because, you know, unlike a restaurant or something similar where, you know, a fucking hygiene inspector can just walk in and show a badge and look at your cupboards and whatever. Is it because of the reverence with which the industry of death is shrouded? Regulation and inspection and codes are more difficult to enforce or perceived to be more difficult to enforce. Is there a boundary or is it seen as. Oh, well, you know, there are often families around these businesses. Grief. [00:35:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:15] Speaker A: You know, you're interrupting moments of, you know, there's something sacrilegious about bringing. Coming in here with your laws and your rules. These people are grieving, mate. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Right, yeah. [00:35:27] Speaker A: So, yeah, that's a good question. [00:35:31] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think that's a. That's a really good sort of thought there. You know, I also wonder, when we think about, like, what we spend a lot of time on regulating, we're probably more concerned with the stuff that has to do with the living. Right. You know, going and investigating a school cafeteria or a restaurant rating and things like that, you know, a vet. Yeah. That kind of stuff seems more pressing than, like, how people are handling bodies in a funeral home, I imagine. But, yeah, I don't know. I. I don't really have an answer for, like, why, despite the fact that this is a regulated and licensed industry, [00:36:13] Speaker A: is there, I wonder, they don't pay [00:36:15] Speaker B: enough attention, you know, if. [00:36:17] Speaker A: If your restaurant is dirty, if your kitchen is dirty. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:20] Speaker A: People are gonna get sick, aren't they? [00:36:23] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [00:36:23] Speaker A: If your vet's office is unsanitary or, you know, you're not sticking to codes of practice in the veterinary industry. Pets are gonna die. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:35] Speaker A: If your funeral home. I mean, they're dead anyway, aren't they? [00:36:39] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. Like, how much is it sort of a. Like, this is not a pressing issue that we, you know, we can come and check on this once every five years. We don't need to be. [00:36:48] Speaker A: Now, I'm not saying that, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Right. Like, putting it, like, why is this happening? [00:36:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:36:55] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, I think it's. It. It's. I don't know. It's Hard to say. You know, I would be interested in looking up what the kind of processes and certifications and things like that are and what is actually expected. Because this is, at the end of the day in, in these stories, whether it's that one or the ones that I'm telling you about, like these are over years, right? Like these are not things. Right. It's not a matter of like, aside from like maybe that one where they accidentally cremated the, the mother. But in general we're talking about people like piling up bodies over a span of time of, you know, many years in most of these cases. And so something was really falling through the cracks if they were able to pull this off for that amount of time. You're not like, you can't just like push a bunch of bodies under a couch when the inspector is coming or something like that. Like, they clear were not coming and looking closely enough at the facilities that these people were running. And that Colorado case was kind of a huge one that that woman and her husband were arrested and charged with, which was that they had nearly 200 decomposing bodies at their facility. They owned a place called Return to Nature Funeral Home and pleaded guilty to 190 counts of corpse abuse. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Oh, corpse abuse of counts. [00:38:28] Speaker B: It said that they, that those 190 bodies were in various states of decomposition and had been stored inside of their building. Some of the remains. And this was this year or no, this is 2024. So some of the remains in there had been dated as far back as 2019. So some of those corpses had been just chilling in this place for five years. So like I said, someone was not doing their job. Someone was not coming in there and checking if these were able to just sit around for five years. I'm in there. Said as part of their fraud scheme, the Halfords misled customers of the funeral home into believing that the remains of their loved ones would be buried or cremated per their wishes and the terms of the party's contract. The family owned and operated funeral home advertised that they performed green natural burials without embalming chemicals or metal caskets, which is one way of putting it. That's. Don't bury them, isn't it? [00:39:35] Speaker A: That's certainly. Talk about pr, right? [00:39:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. We're just doing it in the green way is what's happening here. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Yeah, green like as in moldy? [00:39:46] Speaker B: Yes. So they did not in fact provide anything. They were supposed to cremate or bury them, and they did not do that. And they allegedly gave families dry Concrete instead of ashes, which is deeply fucked up. They collected more than $130,000 from families for cremations and burials that they never performed and allegedly buried the wrong body on at least two occasions. [00:40:18] Speaker A: Good Lord. It's a similar. A similar song, isn't it? It's a similar playbook, right? [00:40:25] Speaker B: And in this case, as we were saying, with, like, the health issues of this. This building that they kept all of these people in was considered it. The epa, the Environmental Protection Agency, was like, this is a biohazard, and they demolished it. They were like, we can't even sa. This is just. Just full of rotting corpses that have been here for half a decade. [00:40:48] Speaker A: Incredible. Absolutely incredible. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely bonkers stuff. [00:40:54] Speaker A: I'm gonna. I'll keep us the bigger ones posted on joag about the progress of regulation in the. The death industry, the funeral industry, because I. The profile of this case, it was everywhere in the news cycle for a week. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Well, and this is. This is so interesting too, because I think it was Andy who either posted about it or just was commenting on it in our discord. But we're saying it's like this became such, like, a huge case over there, and yet, like, it seems like it happens kind of frequently over here that we find these cases like this, you know, and found a bunch of articles about this kinds of thing happening, happening. And it seems like in the news in the past few years, it's just kind of been like a constant stream of these to the point where it's just a blip, you know? And it makes me wonder on your side of the pond if this is a bodies in refrigerators situation and this is happening all over the place. [00:41:57] Speaker A: That's a great point. [00:41:58] Speaker B: This is like the tip of the iceberg. [00:42:00] Speaker A: That's a great point. Are there right now a lot of nervous funeral directors, Right, Keeping an eye out and ear out for a knock at the door? [00:42:13] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:42:14] Speaker A: Spraying Febreze around their fucking office. [00:42:17] Speaker B: Right, Yeah. A lot of Axe body spray in those funeral homes. [00:42:24] Speaker A: I wonder. What an interesting question. Thank you, Corrigan. Let me quote directly from my notes, if I may. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Yes, please do. [00:42:32] Speaker A: Fucking look at these nerds. Oh, mise en scene. [00:42:36] Speaker B: I don't think anyone has ever said mise en scene in such a horny way before. [00:42:40] Speaker A: The way I whispered the word sex cannibal. [00:42:42] Speaker B: Worst comes to worst, Mark, I'm willing to guillotine you for science. [00:42:46] Speaker A: Thank you. That's really, really sweet. It's cold outside, but my pancreas is talking to me. I'm fucking I'm gonna let it. [00:42:52] Speaker B: You know how I feel about that, Mark. [00:42:55] Speaker A: I think you feel great about it. I listen. Very interesting. Very fucking weird week. Lovely to be here and lovely to speak to you all. Couple of. We're not. We're not a public give fucking. We're not a current events podcast. We're not a news podcast. A couple of notable deaths here. We have to talk of. Oh, yeah, we have to talk of Hayden Panettiere first. [00:43:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Don't we? [00:43:20] Speaker B: That's very, very sad. Good old Kirby. Scream franchise. Yes. Obviously. Child star. Remember her first, mostly from Remember the Titans. An absolute classic. Who had a real rough go. [00:43:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker B: As a lot of child stars, you know, millennial child stars did, before there was like, anything in place to protect them from everything. And, you know, she had a kid who she gave up to her husband because she realized that because of her mental health, she couldn't raise that child, but was seemingly kind of getting her shit together. [00:44:03] Speaker A: Certainly someone we've spoken about on Joag previously after meeting. [00:44:09] Speaker B: I always talk about her little hands. [00:44:11] Speaker A: Oh, does she have two tiny hands? [00:44:13] Speaker B: Tiny hands. Very small hands. Watch scream again. Scream 4. You'll be like, kirby has tiny hands. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Maybe I will. [00:44:22] Speaker B: I'm always fascinated by the size of her hands. [00:44:24] Speaker A: But very sad. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Extremely Sad. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker B: 36 years old. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Again, no fucking age. No fucking age. [00:44:33] Speaker B: And, yeah, I think we can fully agree on that. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Equally as notable, if not a little more personally affecting for me is the passing of Screaming Mad George. [00:44:45] Speaker B: Yes. Which apparently happened in February. [00:44:47] Speaker A: It did, but it's only been announced now yesterday by family. And you have all seen that name in the credits. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [00:45:01] Speaker A: You fucking all have seen special makeup effects by Screaming Mad George in the opening credits of plenty of fucking movies. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:09] Speaker A: And it's caught your attention and you've thought, fucking hell, this guy must be a fucking mad genius. And he was. [00:45:16] Speaker B: And he was. And he absolutely was. [00:45:20] Speaker A: If you imagine the kind of mixed flesh aesthetic, I would call it, prosthetics and latex bodies and body parts blending into one another, almost melting into one another. Think of Freddy's chest of souls. [00:45:45] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. [00:45:46] Speaker A: Think of Freaked, the Alex Winter movie. That's him. Fantastically vivid, creative style of twisted bodies and flesh going in directions it shouldn't. And what an amazing career. Worked on two Elm Streets, Predator, a [00:46:13] Speaker B: couple of Society is the one. Everyone is like, you gotta. [00:46:17] Speaker A: The melty. [00:46:17] Speaker B: You really want to see him at [00:46:18] Speaker A: the end of society. [00:46:20] Speaker B: That's him. [00:46:20] Speaker A: That's all him. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Impact, indelibly. Marked the horror genre as we all grew up with. And a big, big, big loss. Screaming My George Hayden Panettier. May ye go and find peace. And a funeral director that is gonna do right by you and your families. We wish this for you here on Jack of All Graves. [00:46:47] Speaker B: May your ashes not be concrete. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Exactly this. May your remains not liquefy in somebody's shed. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Here, here. [00:46:59] Speaker A: That's nice. [00:47:01] Speaker B: Yeah. But we hope you one better. Yeah, better notes. I mean, we are somewhat fresh off of our meetup. It was a very weird comedown because it went from like. Yeah, we had this meetup and everything. And then you went on vacation. [00:47:14] Speaker A: I immediately came home and I came [00:47:15] Speaker B: home and then we just like, have not really spoken for a week since then. We've not debriefed in any way, anything like that. [00:47:24] Speaker A: I was. My family and I, we holidayed on the very, very southernmost tip of the country. [00:47:32] Speaker B: Yes. In. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Dorset. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Did you see me buffer then? [00:47:41] Speaker B: Yeah, you did. You full on buffer. [00:47:44] Speaker A: And when I say there was no signal, I fucking mean zero. We were in a fucking caravan on a hillside. Right. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Wow. [00:47:55] Speaker A: And there was nothing even. Even in the town that we were next to in Swanage. Just nothing consistent at all. And we hiked and we. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Lucky town. [00:48:05] Speaker A: Tell me about it. Hey, I tell you, just. No, I didn't use the apps for a fucking week. Didn't scroll for a week. Didn't stream. [00:48:16] Speaker B: You're an actual widow's bay. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. But it was a lovely week. Very intense. Lots of hiking, lots of walking. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:25] Speaker A: But lots of nice food and relaxing, mentally, at least. So we. Which is to say, you and I haven't really had. We've had a week away from the usual, you know, let's catch a couple of movies during the week. [00:48:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Very bizarre. Especially like, that's, you know, coming back. Me, I. I was like, home alone. And just like. I was like, I miss my friends. [00:48:47] Speaker A: Sure. [00:48:49] Speaker B: Just. Just sitting here. [00:48:51] Speaker A: So did you talk about it at all last week? I know you did a little solo bit last week while I was away. [00:48:55] Speaker B: All I did last week was tell the story. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:58] Speaker B: From the live show, which was great. We had a wonderful time. [00:49:03] Speaker A: It was wonderful. [00:49:04] Speaker B: It was a phenomenal weekend. [00:49:06] Speaker A: An evening I will not forget, like, ever. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Right, Two evenings. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Yes, of course. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. It's good that I won't forget it because there's certainly no other way of referring back to anything. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Well, yes, that's true. This was. Oh, man. We set up Mark's osmo. [00:49:32] Speaker A: It's Very kind of you to be this. Right. But let's not beat around the bush here. [00:49:36] Speaker B: I. I wasn't gonna place. [00:49:39] Speaker A: Very kind of you to try and shoulder some of this. Right. But I'm man enough and, you know, mature enough to. To be able to say right now, this is on me. And. [00:49:51] Speaker B: Yeah, and it was so. It was so fun. I think we got hung up, like, you know, getting the mic started or whatever, and just the hitting record seems to not happen. [00:50:01] Speaker A: But here's the thing. Process. I feel as though I did. I remember visiting the camera and pressing the button. [00:50:06] Speaker B: I guess it's tough because, like, you had tested it beforehand, though, so it might have, like, you know, you're like, oh, I hit it, and then maybe turned it off. I don't know. [00:50:15] Speaker A: All of which is to say we [00:50:16] Speaker B: will never know how that happened. But at the. At the end of our live show, someone yelled out jokingly, it didn't record. And as soon as they did that, I was like, it didn't record. I knew it, like, in my soul. I was like, they're right. [00:50:31] Speaker A: You were right. But look, just like I said immediately after we'd realized that it hadn't taped, right. The theme of what I spoke of was the fucking tragicomic, fleeting nature of life. About, you know, it's just a moment in time and then it's gone, and that's fine. And it feels like poetry to me. Was it on some level? [00:50:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:00] Speaker A: You know, did I. Did I. [00:51:01] Speaker B: Did you sabotage it? Part of your. Yeah. I don't know. [00:51:05] Speaker A: At the time, I would say absolutely not. But a couple of weeks later, Corey, as I speak to you, did I fail to record it on purpose? I can't. Well, I can't say that I did or didn't. And we'll never know, right? [00:51:20] Speaker B: We'll never know. [00:51:21] Speaker A: I didn't record the fucking show. [00:51:24] Speaker B: Nope. It is lost to time, but if [00:51:27] Speaker A: a podcast happens in a bar in Cricklewood and no one records it, did it happen? Yes, it fucking did. [00:51:33] Speaker B: Yes, it did. It was so many wonderful friends we had, people we'd never met before who came out to see us, and it was so lovely to get to just hang out and it's beautiful, you know, Steal mozzarella sticks from Sam. [00:51:49] Speaker A: The environment was perfect. The venue was great. Company was first class. [00:51:54] Speaker B: First class, absolutely. [00:51:56] Speaker A: And I. I was quietly, very, very pleased with what we produced there, with what we put out, you know? [00:52:05] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. It was a wonderful weekend all around. You know, we did the. Earlier in that day, we went to the cemetery. Did a cemetery tour that was absolutely wonderful. There was a fox in the cemetery, which is pretty cool, man. [00:52:22] Speaker A: A little kitsune popped out from between two headstones. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Anyway, man, I loved this. This was such a perfect joag trip because you get, you know, this group of like 12 creepy nerds on a cemetery tour. And, you know, every single question that woman asked, we answered. And then we asked all kinds of questions, several of which she was like, nobody has asked me that in years [00:52:56] Speaker A: and years and years of doing the tour. We asked her new stuff, which again, very proud of us. Very proud. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I also don't think anyone had ever pointed out the weird George Michael coincidences to her before. [00:53:09] Speaker A: I'm certain she would have known. She would have noticed that. [00:53:12] Speaker B: She sounded surprised by the. Like, the. She had. It seemed like she hadn't noticed the mom being born on Christmas Eve before when. [00:53:19] Speaker A: I'll just. I'll lay this out for. For you, dear listener. You will of course know of George Michael, not from Arrested Development, but the original George Michael. The OG George Michael, erstwhile of Wham, alongside Andrew Ridgely. Incredible law and series of coincidences in his life based around Christmas, you know, every single year, pretty much. It's a safe bet that Wham's last Christmas will be number one or around it. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Yes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. [00:53:56] Speaker A: His mother herself born on Christmas Eve. George Michael himself dying on Christmas Day, and his sister dying on a completely separate Christmas day also. What. [00:54:15] Speaker B: So weird. [00:54:16] Speaker A: An incredible set of circumstances there. What is going on? [00:54:21] Speaker B: We were all. [00:54:22] Speaker A: The answer is coincidence, but as coincidences. [00:54:25] Speaker B: Coincidence, those are bad. Well, I mean, we did talk about, like, there's reasons why people die around their birthdays and things like that. So there's certainly there can be elements of, like, psychology and all kinds of things that contribute to the fact that they died on the days that they did. Maybe it isn't entirely coincidence, but fascinating nonetheless. This absolutely occurred. So, yeah, we learned. We learned a lot of fun things while we were in the cemetery the night before. We had gone and went. Went to an absinthe bar that was a delight. We had a great time there. Great bartender shout out to Francis, who was delightful. Just so much fun. We went to a rooftop bar that we realized was very much for the Youngs. And we were the oldest people there by like 20 years, which was amazing. [00:55:19] Speaker A: I'll. I'll gently push back on that. I don't think anywhere is quote unquote for the Youngs. I think, you know, it has a [00:55:27] Speaker B: target demographic and we are not in that. Says who? Says all the 20 year olds on that rooftop. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Nah, I won't. I won't have that. I think that is. [00:55:38] Speaker B: I mean, they weren't gonna kick us out, obviously. They took our money just fine. [00:55:43] Speaker A: I'll go wherever I please. Thank you. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Yeah. You're allowed. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:48] Speaker B: We're just not the target demographic, very clearly, because there was no one over like 30 there besides us. [00:55:55] Speaker A: That is true. [00:55:56] Speaker B: It was like going to a youth club. [00:55:57] Speaker A: But did I feel uncomfortable? [00:55:58] Speaker B: I haven't seen so many youngs in ages. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Did I feel excluded? Nope. I felt completely at ease in my own skin. And fantastic. [00:56:05] Speaker B: And they had really good pizza. [00:56:07] Speaker A: They did. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Nettle360 is this place. So you know, if you're looking for some good pizza and a rooftop vibe full of youths. Yeah, this is a place to go. [00:56:16] Speaker A: All of which is to say Joag Live 2026 is in the books and in the void. We did it. But don't be looking for it anyway. [00:56:29] Speaker B: No, unfortunately not. Next one. Next one. We will. We'll get it. We'll get it up there. [00:56:35] Speaker A: Will we? [00:56:36] Speaker B: Well, maybe not. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Not if I got anything. [00:56:38] Speaker B: We managed the first time though, right? Not if Mark is in charge. But what did we say before we went? We were like, the problem is that Kyo's not even not there. [00:56:47] Speaker A: That is. [00:56:48] Speaker B: That is it. He is. He's the grown up in charge who makes sure everything runs. And sure enough is absolutely correct. [00:56:57] Speaker A: You drop the ball, mate. [00:57:02] Speaker B: He's having a grand old time home with the dog being weird. A good time. Fantastic. I want to know also about each time that I come over there, I bring treats for Owen, who is a big fan of America and America things. [00:57:20] Speaker A: American things. [00:57:22] Speaker B: So tell me how I brought like literally like five pounds of candy. It was treats. [00:57:27] Speaker A: Quite the stash. So his eyes widened to the size of plates when I produced that bag for him. [00:57:35] Speaker B: Excellent. [00:57:36] Speaker A: And as I've said to you privately, he was intensely grateful. He passes his gratitude your way. And none of it lasted. We all shared that huge bag of Three Musketeers that kept us sugared up on our hikes. Shackalicious Gummies were beautiful. The joyride, the YouTube candy that he wanted, he devoured. We enjoyed a jug of Kool Aid at dinner tonight. [00:58:07] Speaker B: And how did that. How'd that go over? [00:58:10] Speaker A: Not such a great hit, right? [00:58:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:15] Speaker A: Not, not. Not because Owen. But Laura took one look at the fucking color, right? [00:58:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:26] Speaker A: Nuclear, like antifreeze blue. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:32] Speaker A: She took one look at the color, she noticed how much sugar Owen was attempting to put in it. [00:58:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Cause you have to. You have to go hard. It requires a lot of sugar to not taste like ass. [00:58:43] Speaker A: Which she immediately. What? You're putting that much sugar. What are you doing? And looked at the color of it and basically just put a fucking stop to this. [00:58:54] Speaker B: You got vetoed on the Kool Aid. [00:58:56] Speaker A: No, she properly put a stop to it and wanted to bin em, actually. [00:59:02] Speaker B: Wow. [00:59:03] Speaker A: But Owen snuck them into his pocket until she forgot where. I believe they still are. They're still in his tracksuit pocket. So next time Laura's out, we'll whip up a jug. [00:59:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'll give it a whirl. [00:59:17] Speaker A: I'll let him, you know, put as much fucking sugar as he wants in there. But. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Because that is required in there. The other thing I was curious about was that because I included a honey bun in there. How does it. Honey bun? [00:59:31] Speaker A: Absolutely delicious. Absolutely delicious. As were the Hostess cupcakes. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Oh, I love Hostess cupcakes. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Delicious with a little creamy center. [00:59:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's the stuff right there. So I think you've. You've asked me before about Hostess things, and they actually didn't have Twinkies, which is fine. Twinkies are disgusting. But I was like, hostess cupcakes are my favorite. I gotta make sure those make it over there. So. [00:59:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Delicious. [00:59:59] Speaker B: You enjoyed that. The. The honey bun is very much like a. Like a convenience store staple. It's kind of a very 90s thing, to be honest. I don't even know if kids eat them at this point. But I was like, this is. If you really want to know, like, what I would have grown up, like, begging for when I, you know, dad, please, please, please, please, please. It'd be that honey bun. So I'm glad that that went over because that's. [01:00:24] Speaker A: Oh, it all did it all, did it all did it all good. We are. We are your humble servant. Thank you very much indeed. We are very grateful. And how can we return the favor? I mean, [01:00:37] Speaker B: that's a. It's a good question. I mean, that's the problem is I actually come over there, so I don't necessarily need you to bring me candy, but, you know, I have had you buy me lipstick a few times. [01:00:47] Speaker A: That is true. I have lipstick through the mail. [01:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah. That. That's been our balance. I bring candy, you buy me lipstick. [01:00:56] Speaker A: Cosmetics. Yes. And I'm happy. I'm happy to do it again. As you wish. [01:01:03] Speaker B: But, yes. Thank you all so much for coming out to that meetup. It was just so Wonderful. In case to get to hang out with everyone. [01:01:10] Speaker A: In case it needs saying explicitly to all who fucking showed up and came out and, you know, really busted it out to come see us last week. My unending and eternal gratitude because you made a fantastic weekend. Even more so. So thank you all for being there. [01:01:29] Speaker B: Exactly. And you know what we've said a few times, you know, you've kind of idly wondered, like, man, why. Why do we attract such a neurodivergent podcast group? Which, you know, I think many reasons are fairly clear about that. But you see the fruits of that in everybody getting together and, like, just no small talk. Everybody immediately is like best friends, whether they knew each other or not. Just like, yeah, there's no need for us to talk about, like, oh, what do you do for a living? You know, I didn't. Straight. [01:01:57] Speaker A: Right. I didn't catch any of that. [01:02:00] Speaker B: Right. It's just like, yeah, now let's just, like, talk about all the things that we, like, all, like, and have in common and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was, like, just perfect. I felt like, no awkwardness at all every time someone joined in. It was like, great. Here's our best friend that has clearly been our best friend for our whole lives. And it was beautiful. [01:02:18] Speaker A: Yep. I agree with all that. It was amazing. [01:02:23] Speaker B: So shall we talk about things that we have watched? [01:02:26] Speaker A: We can. What do we have? Let me just grab. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Get a little look at this. Okay, I gotta talk about. I suggested last night's or so the Scream and Chat in the Hell Rankers Discord. They watch a movie. Friday is the, like, traditional thing they've been doing forever. And then they also added Sundays and Tuesdays watching movies together. So I suggested for last night's Sunday movie one that my dear friend Mac had been texting me about in the morning, which is the movie Deep Rising. Mac is great. He's thriving. He went to Coney island the other day. He's really living that life, you know, so. Yeah, no, but he was watching Deep Rising and he said to me, you know, he was like, did you know that this was actually sort of like a backdoor prequel to King Kong? And essentially he was like, this was supposed to, like, lead into a King Kong movie. And what came out of the script that followed this, Right. Became Peter Jackson's King Kong. [01:03:35] Speaker A: Gonna stop you there. Fantastic. I've just made the connection because in my head, you said Deep Blue Sea, but you didn't. [01:03:41] Speaker B: You said Deep Blue Sea. No, I did not. [01:03:42] Speaker A: The Tom Jane movie. [01:03:44] Speaker B: No, not Tom Jane. No, this is Treat Williams, Famke Jansen, every. That guy you can think of from that point. Wes Duty, Jason Fleming, Cliff Curtis, like Jimin Hounsu, like all these guys. But Treat Williams as your lead is [01:04:02] Speaker A: the Tom Jane one. [01:04:05] Speaker B: Tom Jane. [01:04:06] Speaker A: It's aquatic. And it's aquatic. And there's griblies. [01:04:11] Speaker B: Aquatic. Yeah, I like the way you say that. You sound like a duck when you say it. You sound like a duck. I'm not entirely sure, but it's definitely not this one. I'll take a Treat Williams over a Tom Jane any day, to tell you the truth. But it is. [01:04:30] Speaker A: He is in fact, in Deep Blue Sea. [01:04:32] Speaker B: Oh, he's. There you go. I thought you were looking for, like, another Tom Jane movie. [01:04:38] Speaker A: So I think I've completely mixed up two movies here. Deep Rising, it does end with all, man. Just a kind of a cliffhanger of fucking monster insanity, doesn't it? [01:04:48] Speaker B: Right. So it, like, you know, has like a crazy. Yeah, boss fighty kind of thing that goes on at the end of it. And then they land on an island. And sort of your last shot of this is they're like, oh, finally everything is all good. And then you hear like a roar from that island insinuating something big is here, brother. That is King Kong that is there. And they have landed on Skull Island. And so this movie actually ended up sort of leading into it. And in fact, Mac was saying that there's like. Like Andy Serkis gets eaten by a worm or something in the King Kong thing, which is the worms are from Deep Rising. And so that's like the little nod to the movie that came before, which I just think is. Yeah, it's cool. Like, Kyo did not agree with me on this, but I think this is a cool swing that they, you know, a thing you could only do in the 90s. Because now a movie has to make money, right? Like, you need a guarantee it's going to make money. This is a swing to put out a movie that no one knows is a prequel to a movie that is going to be in a universe that you already do know. We all know what King Kong is like, what a bonkers swing to take, you know, and that that's what they did with this. And I think that that is so fun watching. It's already a fun movie, you know, it's just the excesses of a 90s action aquatic horror, you know, over the top. All the characters are cranked to 11. Everything that happens is insane. The practical effects or super fun. Obviously, shonky CGI, because it's 1998, all that stuff. But then adding this little bit of lore to it on top of all that makes Deep Rising just. It's a good time watch is not [01:06:40] Speaker A: even once ever alluded to. [01:06:43] Speaker B: No, not at all. [01:06:45] Speaker A: It's nice. [01:06:45] Speaker B: There's no. No stating at all that there's some sort of, like, you know, giant creature on an island waiting for them. They don't know about this. Like, it's never mentioned in King Kong. It is just. You have to know to know. [01:07:02] Speaker A: Nice bit of law, that. Thanks, Mac. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Indeed. Info. Dump that on some unsuspecting person one of these days. [01:07:11] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Very nice. And you watched that with the Screaming Chat crew, did you? [01:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah, with the Screaming Chat last night. Delightful. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Yep. [01:07:21] Speaker B: Good use of Sunday night. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Yep. Good to keep those traditions alive. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Indeed. [01:07:28] Speaker A: I would speak of a movie that I've been dying to catch up with for ages that I know you've seen and adored is God is. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. Yeah. What did you. What do you think? Did I talk about that on here? I can't remember, if only super briefly. [01:07:45] Speaker A: I asked you not to because I knew. [01:07:47] Speaker B: Oh, yes, that's right. You didn't want me to spoil anything. Which we also won't spoil anything because you need to watch it. But do give me your thoughts. [01:07:56] Speaker A: I will. So an experience of two sides I had with this movie. Right. The first side was the wonderful, wonderful sensation that you get when you know you're watching something very new and very interesting and very, very great. Right. When for the first kind of 20 minutes of a movie, you are doing your best to kind of work out. Right. What. What is this? What am I watching here? I cannot anticipate where this might be leading me. It is idiosyncratic to the point where I couldn't initially just. I couldn't predict or have any frame of reference as to what I was seeing. It felt like something very, very new to me. Right. [01:08:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:54] Speaker A: And performances. Great. Those two leads. Holy. Like, literally just really makes you sit up and pay attention. These two leads in this. This very, very stylized revenge thriller. Just super gripping, captivating. Can't take your eyes off it. No eyes on your phone. Just locked in. Right. [01:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:25] Speaker A: But then the other side happened about. Pretty much about exactly halfway through. Right. [01:09:34] Speaker B: Mm. [01:09:34] Speaker A: And I could not recover from this. Okay, okay. Revenge thriller. Right. Idiosyncratic, quirky, ensemble cast of characters. Mmm. Interesting, hyper stylized visually. Very punchy dialogue. Visually. [01:09:58] Speaker B: If you try to connect this to Tarantino, I will come over there and [01:10:00] Speaker A: punch you in the balls, then it's best we end this conversation. [01:10:07] Speaker B: Because it's like. I mean, the thing is, it's like, yeah, you know, Tarantino stole a whole bunch of, like, blaxploitation shit and made movies based on it. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Right. [01:10:16] Speaker B: And the. This is a. In the tradition of blaxploitation, I. [01:10:21] Speaker A: Right. That's the connection, I think, that maybe I've been missing because I couldn't shake that off. I couldn't shake that association off because it's there and was like a splinter that. As. I. As unfavorably as I view Tarantino through a racial lens. Right. The guy is fucking. The guy is. I cannot shake. Whether it's overt or not, he has his character saying stuff he wishes he could say. Right, Right. I feel that. And it didn't feel comfortable to me that a movie so fucking powerfully and proudly black would, at least from where I was sat, draw so heavily on his fucking style. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Which I don't think it was doing. Yeah. I don't think it was pulling from him at all. I think it was pulling from what Tarantino pulled from. [01:11:24] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:25] Speaker B: Instead. Because I think. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's one of my many issues with Tarantino in general, is that, like, the man is derivative. [01:11:32] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:33] Speaker B: But everything he did was so new to white audiences that they think he invented genres which he didn't. You know, everything is based off of something that he loved when he was young, of course, and he then just recreated that for white audiences. And I think that what this movie does is pulls from the blaxploitation that he loved so much and then kind of gives it the spin of, like, a lot of black tradition and things like that. That, yeah, obviously comes from this. Like. Like you said, it's a very black movie. And I don't think that. Yeah. I don't think that the influence that this director was going for was like, let's make a Tarantino movie. I think she's like, let's look at that tradition of blaxploitation and do this. Like, revenge movies have been around long. [01:12:23] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. [01:12:23] Speaker B: Tarantino, you know, things like that. Yeah. So I don't see it as being derivative of him or even specifically super influenced by him. I think it's kind of a. It's harking back to something before him. [01:12:39] Speaker A: I will take your counsel on that, but I. I can't bring myself to write off the fact that it leans very heavily into, even visually, even the quirky kind of text on the screen. The. I don't know, man. I. I felt it. I fucking felt that. [01:13:05] Speaker B: Well, this is. Like I said, that's exactly why I hate Tarantino. [01:13:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:13:10] Speaker B: He has taken the art of other people and made it inextricably his, you know, and that is what makes him such a fucking disease, is that anything that anyone does, even if it's reclaiming their own art, becomes Tarantino as a result, you know, because he so thoroughly took all of these things, you know, and yeah, I think it's. It's tough because it's like when you have stylized things that, you know, you're known for, whether you did pioneer them or took them from somewhere else, it becomes like, in any other case, we don't think it's weird for people to be influenced by the past of cinema, but Tarantino has made himself such like the fucking auteur that you can't take anything he did or you're making a Tarantino film, which I don't think you have that issue with anyone else. You know, there's like no other. If someone makes something that's Spielberg esque, you're like, oh, that's fucking cool. They did like a Spielberg style thing. And if someone does something, Tarantino's like, ugh, they're stealing from Tarantino. [01:14:20] Speaker A: It's a very good point. [01:14:24] Speaker B: It's just cinema, baby. This, this director, I think is like basically a child, you know, like, how influence are they by? Or is she by Tarantino? [01:14:34] Speaker A: Anyway, it's an excellent point. This. I, I don't use the word colonization flippantly, but it's almost artistic colonization, I think what you're talking about. [01:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's a good way of [01:14:51] Speaker A: putting it and putting your name on the fucking. Putting your face on the flag. [01:14:56] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, 100% that. I think that he gets a lot of credit and, you know, people get more accused of him being. Of being derivative of him than you see with pretty much any other. [01:15:10] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:10] Speaker B: Filmmaker. [01:15:11] Speaker A: And those things that he. The black exploitation is, is a, A kind of a gray spot. I mean, I've seen plenty of Shaw Brothers stuff that he's. That he's liberally helped himself to. You know, plenty of De Palma, plenty of, you know, Abel Ferrara, plenty of other stuff that he's. That he's made his collages from, you know. [01:15:40] Speaker B: Yes. [01:15:41] Speaker A: Blacksplotation, not so much. Which is why maybe that's a link I've missed. [01:15:44] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Yeah. You're missing the, the text that it comes from. [01:15:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And that's that. That's where the hole is, which I think is true of a lot of people. You know, that's a period of film that they're not super specific, you know, well versed on, which I think is why he's really made so much that's patterned off of it, too. And taking that as his own is that he knows it's not. Not something he's gonna get accused of stealing, basically. Guia. You know, nobody in his audience was watching that, so there you go. [01:16:17] Speaker A: Fascinating. [01:16:18] Speaker B: Yeah. But you did mention De Palma. [01:16:22] Speaker A: Oh, I did. Shit. I didn't even put that on letterboxd. What the fuck? Or did I? [01:16:26] Speaker B: I know. I was like, what in the. What in the world? We did manage to, you know, as soon as Marco got back, make up a little bit for the. The Week of Silence by getting a movie in. And I had seen this. I think maybe someone else had watched it. And I was like, that sounds like something I would like to. To watch. [01:16:48] Speaker A: Listen, I. I can't believe that has made me so happy that I forgot about having seen this movie 24 hours ago. And I get to remember it again [01:16:55] Speaker B: because you guys remember that we watched it. This was the 1981 film Blowout, which is a De Palma film. And I texted Mark, and I was like, the. Like, basically the story sounds for me, but I don't like De Palma. But you like De Palma. So I think we collectively are the target audience. [01:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Between the two of us, what a treat. Water treat. Right. So, yeah, let's go to 1981, right? Let's find. Let's find John Travolta in 1981. [01:17:31] Speaker B: John Travolta. Like, I. I wrote this in my letterboxd review. But by the time I was in, like, middle school, John Travolta was already kind of a joke, you know, like, it's like his Scientology had kind of taken center stage. He was in, like, kind of cheesy mov and stuff like that. Like, was it phenomenon? Was it that he was in that? Like. Anyway, he's in, like, a bunch of stuff that was just, like, very, like, first. Bleh. [01:17:56] Speaker A: First thing I ever saw John Travolta in, or more to the point, heard him in, was look who's talking. That was my. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Oh, sure. Yeah. So look who's talking. Like. Yeah, he was in a lot of stuff that was aimed at, like, kids, families, completely floundering. Yeah. And as such, thus, you kind of forget. Even though I like stuff like Face off and things like that, like, you forget that for a minute there. He was like hot stuff and he was good and he just had effortless charisma, you know. [01:18:26] Speaker A: You absolutely incredible towards out of my mouth. This is one fucking likable guy. [01:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right. [01:18:34] Speaker A: This character, this just like you said, easy, relatable, fucking charming fucking guy who you can just watch deliver really cool dialogue in a really beautifully put together piece and just really imagine. Imagine getting the fuck behind John Travolta and not thinking like. [01:18:55] Speaker B: It's a weird feeling. Especially because, you know, one of my things with De Palma is like his movies are like deeply misogynist. And this is. [01:19:03] Speaker A: No, you are correct. This is. This does not fuck that trend. [01:19:08] Speaker B: Yeah, deeply misogynist movie. However, as an example of this, I [01:19:12] Speaker A: mean, it's all through the film, but in the end credits, one of the female credits, the performer, the character is simply listed as hooker. [01:19:21] Speaker B: Hooker. [01:19:21] Speaker A: Okay, yeah. [01:19:23] Speaker B: But. Yeah, that's the kind of flick this is. But what I will say to that is John Travolta in this character. If you had given this role to someone else, his entire interaction with Nancy Allen in this movie would have been sleazy. And somehow he manages to be kind and compassionate and like relatable and someone that you're not thinking the entire time like, oh, fuck off, you weirdo. You know, it's a hard thing to carry out. [01:19:52] Speaker A: Authentic. He's a guy looking just. He wants to just get to know him, make a. Get form a relationship with this fucking woman. It's fantastic. And I mean, it's a. It's a. It's. It's from 1981, so fuck spoilers. But it's, it's. It's a fucking movie about a. From a movie maker making a movie about making movies. Right. This is a crime thriller set in the film industry with what feels like a lot of, I guess you would say, inside Baseball kind of references, right? Yeah, feels. But at no point does it exclude you. Instead what you get is almost like a movie procedural. You know, the, the. The camera kind of dwells on the analog tools of moviemaking. Film is cut and marked up with. With Sharpies. Sound is recorded and rewound it, you know, celluloid. You can hear the crinkle of celluloid in this movie. The. The plot follows John Travolta's ex cop who now inexplicably is a sound recordist in a. In a low budget kind of horror studio. And he, while he's out recording footage foley for a movie, he's working on. He inadvertently captures the sound of an assassination attempt and a car wreck. And he pieces this together using stock footage and movies that he's found and cuts fucking sound recordings and cuts the film and creates a kind of a bootleg almost Zapruder kind of version of the crime that he's witnessed. And it's so good, the cast is so great. John Lithgow is in it. Remember him? Remember, John Lithgow died sadly recently, never to be heard of again. [01:21:43] Speaker B: Exactly. Never. We. Yep, precisely. [01:21:47] Speaker A: Just wonderful. Nancy Allen, pre RoboCop, who, so weird, walked right off the set of Bugsy Malone. For all intents and purposes, the way [01:21:55] Speaker B: she's playing her character, tiny little mousey voice and whatnot. [01:22:00] Speaker A: Yes. But even in 1981, right. This entire film is just hundred minutes of Brian De Palma just flopping his cock around. [01:22:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Just showing the fuck off. [01:22:17] Speaker A: Just absolutely being extra as fuck. Just no reason. Just scenes and shots composed with such skill and love and artistry. Just there's. There's no reason for this film to look as fucking stunning as it does. And it does. The colors are fucking popping. It's saturated, beautiful. Just every other scene is a fucking split diopter for no reason that I can just. [01:22:48] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [01:22:49] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [01:22:51] Speaker B: Why are we looking at this fish like this? [01:22:55] Speaker A: You know, there's no reason for this. Brian De Palma, you fucking beautiful madman. Yeah, just the most. The most A looking B movie I think you could ever. [01:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good way of putting. [01:23:07] Speaker A: Looks like a fucking million dollars, even if it cost 10 grand. You know, your cast are fantastic. Your ensemble cast is a. Sipowitz. Is that who you saw from nypd? [01:23:18] Speaker B: Sipowitz? Yeah. American. At least. Americans of a certain age. I was like, is that Sipowitz? And Mark was like, I don't know who that is. Dennis Franz from NYPD Blue is who I was talking about. And yes, he's young ish and svelte ish in this, which was surprising to me. [01:23:36] Speaker A: Just you can enjoy Blowout as you would a. Like a coffee table art book. You can enjoy Blowout as a series of images as much as anything else. [01:23:48] Speaker B: Yes. [01:23:48] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [01:23:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Fucking Brian De Palma can direct the shit out of a film, man. He's unreal. [01:24:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I think this one works better for me, you know, just on the strength of performances and the beautifulness of this whole thing where, you know, I don't tend to connect with De Palma's movies very much. But this one I'm willing To forgive a multitude of sins for how good this looked and how watchable it was. [01:24:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. Absolutely flew by. Great choice, Corrigan. Great choice. [01:24:26] Speaker B: Phew. [01:24:27] Speaker A: Need to put a watch along in soon. [01:24:29] Speaker B: We do, yes, we've. It's been requested specifically. [01:24:32] Speaker A: It has got to give the people what they want. So I did wonder, maybe the last weekend of August, maybe the one after. But stay tuned. [01:24:41] Speaker B: But yes, we'll come back around with that. [01:24:43] Speaker A: We sure will. We'll get on Discord, we watch a movie. Good times, Good times. [01:24:47] Speaker B: Did you watch anything else? What was that? [01:24:48] Speaker A: I don't believe so. I've got a few things queued up. I. I kind of want to watch Lanterns. [01:24:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's got Kyle Chandler, so I'm gonna watch it, obviously. [01:24:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:24:58] Speaker B: I'm only a woman, Mark. I gotta watch it. [01:25:02] Speaker A: I'm not made of stone. [01:25:04] Speaker B: Kio did say that he watched the. The first one. He said it was quite good. [01:25:08] Speaker A: Okay, so yeah, I'll watch Lanterns, but. And I've still got half an ambition to get to the Odyssey before the end of summer. [01:25:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you really should. [01:25:19] Speaker A: I know, I know, I know. Before the kids. [01:25:21] Speaker B: It's not one to wait to watch at home. [01:25:22] Speaker A: No, completely. And it also isn't going anywhere. It's gonna be around for a couple weeks yet. [01:25:26] Speaker B: Right. This is. So I went to. On Wednesday, I went to the city for a Widow's Bay event at Lincoln center in New York City with my friend Josh. And Josh just moved to New York City a few weeks ago. And he was saying that, like, he wanted to see, like, IMAX of, like that and Spider man and just imaxes of everything are sold out, like through September. Yeah. These movies are not going anywhere. Everyone is still, like. Even on the news this morning, the weather, the weather girl, Danny Beckstrom, she was saying the same thing. She's like, I really want to go see. [01:26:06] Speaker A: See. [01:26:06] Speaker B: I can't remember what it was. She was. I think it was Spider Man. She saw it once. She was like, I want to see it again. But the screenings are just all so sold out. [01:26:12] Speaker A: Isn't that great? Isn't that great? [01:26:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:26:15] Speaker A: Movies, like I was saying to you before we hit record, Spidey is maybe do a fucking 180 on the upcoming Marvel output. I can't wait for all of a sudden. Whereas a couple of weeks back, I was like, yeah, yeah. [01:26:28] Speaker B: I may be not quite as enthusiastic, but maybe slightly less like, I'm not seeing that than I was before. So there's that I'm excited about the X Men. So, you know, we got that. Although the casting is like half. Like, the women they've cast, I'm like, yeah. And the men they've cast, I'm like, oh, yeah, fine. [01:26:48] Speaker A: There's a Joag adjacent. [01:26:52] Speaker B: Very Joag adjacent. I mean, the casting in that. Yeah, you got Samara Weaving. There you go. [01:26:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:26:57] Speaker B: Is gonna be in that. You got Indy Navarrete from Obsession is gonna be in it. Oh, sick Sadie from Stranger Things is in it, of course. And then of course, you have Adam Driver gonna be your villain. I have never liked a movie with Adam Driver in it. I don't. That's iffy. [01:27:15] Speaker A: Not one. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Not one. It's. It's truly incredible. Like, I feel like he's a really nice guy and I'd probably like him, but I have never liked a movie he's in. And then Christopher Abbott is the same thing. I don't think I've ever at least seen a performance of his that I enjoyed. And he's playing Professor X, which is iffy to me. I just. He looks, he. He comes across to me as a bit of a whiny piss baby. [01:27:42] Speaker A: Oh, no. Which is what? The one thing you don't want. [01:27:45] Speaker B: I was about to say he just had Aubrey Plaza's baby, but I mean that the other way around. Aubrey Plaza just had his baby. [01:27:53] Speaker A: Oh, really? [01:27:53] Speaker B: The other way around? Yeah. Yeah. She just had. Had a baby with Christopher Abbott. So her baby daddy is Professor X. [01:28:02] Speaker A: That's causing me to pause a little. [01:28:05] Speaker B: Is it? [01:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Was she not just, like, recently bereaved? [01:28:10] Speaker B: Well, she'd been like, split up from her husband for like a year before he died. [01:28:14] Speaker A: Okay. [01:28:14] Speaker B: So, yeah, it's not like a, you know, jump straight in, which was, you know, everyone grieves in different ways. Be fine either way. [01:28:20] Speaker A: Unclutch my pearls. [01:28:22] Speaker B: She was. Yeah. But she was not with him when he died. But anyways. Yeah. So got X Men coming. That makes me excited. Other than that. Yeah. I think more or less that's. I've just been. I rewatched. Nope. The other day. Oh, one other thing that I would like to say to people because I know this is going to happen to you too. [01:28:44] Speaker A: Me? [01:28:45] Speaker B: If you go. No, like listeners. [01:28:47] Speaker A: Right, right. [01:28:48] Speaker B: In general, if you go on prime, it's going to tell you that a shark movie called the Devil's Mouth is like the fifth most popular thing on there right now. And it's certainly that because it is funneling everyone to watch it. It is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Terrible, terrible shark movie. It's like, you know how, like, my thing about the Descent is that I can't stand, like, drama being litigated in a survival situation. [01:29:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:29:19] Speaker B: Like, what if the whole movie was that, you know, just people being, like, shitty and, you know, dealing with inner person. Also, the shark doesn't even, like, isn't hinted at until I believe it was, like, 48 minutes into the movie. It's like, there's, like, 30 minutes left of this. How do we not know there's a shark yet? What's going on here? It is just truly awful. And it has the Thai guy who is from White Lotus. That was partly why I watched it, because I was like, oh, I love him. No, it's. It's not worth watching. So don't let prime trick you into watching the Devil's Mouth. Just take that lesson from me. [01:30:01] Speaker A: I will not. [01:30:02] Speaker B: I posted about it on Blue Sky. I was like, I got, you know, Amazon tricked me into watching this terrible shark movie. And everyone was like, is it Devil's Mouth? Like, yes. Yeah, we. We've all been there. So now I'm warning all of you, don't. Don't listen to Prime. [01:30:16] Speaker A: It's a shitty tactic. [01:30:17] Speaker B: Don't watch it. I know, right? Oh, this is the most popular. Like, yeah, because, like, you're putting it first thing in front of us. You're forcing us all to watch this movie. That's why. Anyways. [01:30:32] Speaker A: Well, look, we roll on. We continue. [01:30:36] Speaker B: Yes, we do. [01:30:36] Speaker A: To the future, wherever it may fucking lead us. If there's a fire near you, stay fucking careful. If you're still too hot, stay cool and stay hydrated. And whatever you do, stay spooky.