JoAG Fancave: The Cabin in the Woods (2011)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll. [00:00:13] Speaker B: Hi, friends. Welcome back to the Joag Fan Cave. It's me, Kristen, here with Corgan and our very special celebrity guest, who you may recognize, Mr. Mark Lewis. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Can I just say, this is fucking adorable. This is adorable as fuck, because I was ready to kind of dive in then, but I shouldn't be diving in, should I? Because don't we have podcasts? [00:00:32] Speaker B: I have a whole intro that I've written. [00:00:33] Speaker C: Mark up. [00:00:34] Speaker A: Sorry, I apologize. [00:00:35] Speaker B: It's okay. We're here, I don't know if you know this, to discuss the 2012 film the Cabin in the Woods. Now, according to Corrigan, going to a cabin in the woods is, like, a big summer activity that people do, but I have to say, after watching this film, I wouldn't recommend it. All right, this movie follows five college friends who head to the woods for fun. I guess. Unfortunately, they obviously end up having the exact opposite. Right? That's what they find there. Because if the creepy gas station attendant, like, wasn't enough, there is then a basement full of horrors in which the kids unwittingly choose their fate by releasing a killer zombie. Zombie family, excuse me, upon themselves. And I should probably mention this whole thing is being orchestrated by some shadow agency of some kind, like, attempting to save the world through human sacrifice. But honestly, it's the cabin and the woods, like, that's the weirdest part. Like, just go to the beach like normal people, right? Like, what are you doing? [00:01:26] Speaker C: Listen, Kristen, we don't all have beaches. Not everyone is from the beach. Some of us are from the woods, sure, but still, you watch Main Cabin Masters, you know, not all of us are from the beach. [00:01:40] Speaker B: I know. I'm simply saying that I feel like I was right last week when I said, you should go to the beach. These. They should have just gone to the beach. [00:01:47] Speaker C: Okay, well, fair enough. Anyway, whatever. Mark, welcome. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Thank you. What does occur to me, and I've got to get this out the way, Right? I apologize, but I have to say this. It is an absolute delight to be on Fan Cave 7 years or so after I first fucking asked if you would invite me on. [00:02:11] Speaker C: I. I feel that this is apocryphal. I do not remember this happening. [00:02:16] Speaker A: Had I not deleted all of my tweets, I would find this exact tweet. Right before Joag, before any of it. Before we. Before we met. I was following Corrigan on Twitter, and, you know, she'd been tweeting about her podcast, and I was like, oh, that's seems like, something fun that I might enjoy. So I, I like, I thought, oh, maybe she'll think about a deck. So I messaged her. Hi. Your podcast looks really cool. You talk about the kinds of things I like it be. I, I quite like to be on here. Didn't even fucking reply. Didn't even reply to me. [00:02:51] Speaker B: I mean, to be fair, she doesn't reply to DMs, so. [00:02:54] Speaker C: That is a very good point. [00:02:57] Speaker A: So, yes, it is a treat, a delight and an honor and a privilege to be on after all, you know. [00:03:03] Speaker C: Almost a decade, probably more than a decade at this point. Like, didn't we stop doing fake. Well, maybe we stopped in 2016 or somewhere in that vicinity, something like that. [00:03:12] Speaker B: I think. [00:03:12] Speaker C: Yeah, probably we're getting in that vicinity. So. [00:03:15] Speaker A: But yes. [00:03:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm honored. [00:03:20] Speaker A: Oh, no, no. [00:03:21] Speaker B: Mark's going to join us. I was like, oh, my God, I got so nervous for an hour. I've been so nervous. I don't know if you know this, but when we have guests on, if you, if you remember this from the Fan Cave, I always say the worst. Like, that's when I do my most embarrassing. [00:03:37] Speaker A: And the spotlight is on. [00:03:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:39] Speaker B: Like when there's someone else there to witness. Even though I, I know people, like, watch this, so I know it's not like just us shooting the. But it feels like it and so I don't, like, think too much about it, but when there's someone else in the room and all of a sudden I just like word vomit. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Like when you, when you try to type, when you're screen sharing and all. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Of a sudden and everyone's like. And I'm like, yes. [00:03:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Kristen does have a, A, A habit of saying things she does not mean to say in mixed companies. So we'll see how this goes. [00:04:06] Speaker A: So far, so good. [00:04:07] Speaker C: So far so crushing it. So good. We're doing great. Listen, this month we have Mark here, who is obviously horror expert and who is a cabin in the woods expert at this point. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Right. Just to stop you there, I heartily object to the term expert. I ain't an expert in shit. Right. I'm an, I'm an amateur hobbyist enthusiast at best. [00:04:36] Speaker C: Right, what's the line? What, where does it. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:39] Speaker C: Do you become an expert? [00:04:41] Speaker A: I just spitball in here. I think an expert is when you've, like, you've got a qualification in it or you've studied it, or, you know, you've appeared on a panel show about it. No. [00:04:54] Speaker C: You have a podcast about it. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Oh, Yeah, I do. Fuck, I do. All right, I'll take it. [00:04:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I think we're going to go ahead and say expert. We. We don't adhere to arbitrary certifications and whatnot. Layman expert. [00:05:08] Speaker A: I'll take it. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Mark Lewis here. [00:05:09] Speaker B: You have an honorary doctorate in the Cabin in the woods bestowed to you from me and letterboxd. I am a ordained minister at the Church of the Internet, so I have the ability, I think, to hand out all sorts of things. [00:05:23] Speaker C: I think that's true. Pretty sure you could also drive a boat. [00:05:26] Speaker A: When it comes to Cabin Woods, I think I picked up the Honorary Expert title after maybe like the sixth time. Right after watching it again this morning, Letterboxd tells me I've watched it eight fucking times. Eight times in that goddamn cabin. [00:05:39] Speaker C: So honest. [00:05:40] Speaker B: That's more than those people. So. [00:05:42] Speaker C: Yeah, good point. [00:05:44] Speaker B: But most people only go once. [00:05:47] Speaker A: I'm. I'm here more to kind of just enjoy conversation about the movie because I, you know, I don't railroad anything. I just. And I know the journey that you're on, Kristen, and I am very, very keen to just hear how it lands with somebody in the kind of the first semester of horror, as it were. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Yes. First semester, first quarter. Really? [00:06:11] Speaker C: Indeed. Listen, I was, you know, building up my list. Obviously have to pick for next month what the movie is going to be. And I was kind of. I ended up looking through, like, what I think probably is going to be the rest of the year in these. And it's. I get so eager to introduce Kristen to all of these different films. You know, it's like every time I choose one, I feel like I'm not choosing something else. And it, like, gives me hives. I'm like, oh, so many things. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:06:38] Speaker C: But, you know, it's a. It's a marathon, not a sprint. [00:06:41] Speaker B: So, I mean, we'll get there. I'm enjoying this journey, oddly enough. I didn't think I would. I thought I was doing it more just to be a good friend, really. [00:06:49] Speaker C: This was very much a friend. [00:06:50] Speaker A: It felt like that at the start. It certainly felt like that at the beginning. But you're welcome voluntarily, aren't you? [00:06:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm like, honestly, I'm having a great time. [00:06:58] Speaker C: It's beautiful. Which Mark, sometimes you think is maybe. Maybe I'm not going hard enough if she's having so good a time. [00:07:07] Speaker A: No, I. I think after. After this, I think we can certainly turn up the heat a little. [00:07:14] Speaker C: I thought this was kind of the dial up a little bit but, well, we'll get there. We'll get there, we'll get there. But we are gonna lean into your expertise a little bit, Mark. [00:07:27] Speaker A: Of course. [00:07:27] Speaker C: Especially because one of the things about this movie, obviously we've. Kristen has been at tropes because school for the past several months. You know, we started talking about the tropes that you see come up in films and things like that. And we picked this one, or I picked this one specifically because this. This is Trope University. This is the grad course right here. This is where you get to see it all sort of laid out for you. The tropes of the slasher especially, but with all kinds of other sub genres melded in here as well. And of course, one of the big things is this movie largely sort of modeled the cabin itself and things like that after one of your favorites. Mark. [00:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, when you say the Cabin in the woods, there's only one movie series that comes to mind, isn't it? It's quintessential Evil Dead. And putting that setting and that cabin in the title on the poster is a deliberate, very deliberate attempt. You know, it's the film immediately wrong footing. You. It's tempting you in with one movie and then giving you something entirely better. Better. I'm saying this is a movie. [00:08:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Wow, that is, you know, that's huge. [00:08:39] Speaker A: It serves you what you think, you know, and then fucking yanks it away and gives you so much more. God, I fucking love this film. It is so, so, so rich. [00:08:49] Speaker C: So why don't you. Because I do think this is something that's worth knowing about to really fully appreciate this movie. Why don't you talk a Evil Dead and what. And the lineage of where this comes from, just to give Kristen an idea of like, what is that the other. [00:09:02] Speaker B: Cabin movie we're talking about? I'm so sorry. [00:09:04] Speaker C: Yes, yes, that's the series that he is referring to. [00:09:07] Speaker B: I knew that took place in a cabin. [00:09:10] Speaker A: It the first. Most of Evil Dead does. When you think of Evil Dead, you think of a cabin in the woods. I mean, there are. There are plenty of horror movies with a woodland setting, with a, you know, with a rural kind of ramshackle log cabin setting. But when you think Cabin in the woods horror movie, you think Evil Dead, a series which. Born in the late 70s, a series with, you know, as many flavors as it has sequels. Let me think. Yilda Army Dinos Asher's 2013. Yilda. There's six with a seventh on the way and a TV series. Right. Or is it five with another on the way in a TV series. And every single one. [00:09:51] Speaker C: You counted the series in there? [00:09:52] Speaker A: I did. Every single chapter of Evil Dead almost has its own flavor, has its own kind of personality. It goes from low budget, kind of grimy, almost arthouse kind of horror micro budget to physical kind of slapstick horror comedy, but with a serious amount of horror within the comedy. Then the balance shifts more in the horror, sorry, in the comedy direction. And then it came back in 2013 with a remake timeline which is just absolute, balls out, pardon my expression, just auteur. Fucking absolute. What's the word I'm looking for? Artisan horror. Just fucking handmade, beautiful, gritty. The. The Evil Dead 2013 is. Is the most hard edged, pitiless, just cruel fucking horror movie around. Every single one of Evil Dead, like I said, has its own little flavor, its own essence that makes it, makes it so beautiful. But it has things that you would expect. Every time you go to an Evil Dead film, you know you're gonna get dismemberment, you're gonna get a chainsaw, you're gonna get friends dying horribly one by one. You're gonna get a book with a nasty demon attached to it. You're gonna get possessions and you're gonna get a cabin in the woods. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Sure. [00:11:16] Speaker A: So putting that on the fucking poster, putting that in the title. This film wants you to come to it thinking you're gonna get, alright, something linear, something. Something effective, something which will jump and make you scared and there'll be all of those things that you're expecting. And then it just, like I said, it opens up another fucking door that has an entirely different buffet of treats inside. And every right Cat in the woods does about a million different things in 90 minutes and it does them all brilliantly. You'll know how Corry and I are big fans of movies that. What's the phrase? Brief, brilliant and gone. Just be fucking amazing in a short space of time and then fuck off out of there. That's what Cabin woods does. It just goes bang, bang, bang, idea, idea, idea, reveal, reveal, reveal. And then it just. [00:12:12] Speaker B: Yeah, well, there is even a part where I was thinking to myself, like, God, people are dying like really fast. [00:12:16] Speaker C: Like this feels like it's. Yeah. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Real early at a clip that I was unprepared for. You know, it was like. So I can see how that is. [00:12:23] Speaker C: True because I was like, yeah. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Some of my favorite bits of fiction, a characteristic about a work that I adore, is a movie that or a TV show or a book or anything that just introduces and then just throws away and moves on. Ideas. Just. Ah. There's another idea. It's fantastic. Chuck it away. There's another one. Chuck it away. And this is a movie like that. There's so many ideas in this film that other movies would build an entire two hours off or an entire season of a TV show. Whereas this movie just goes bap. Idea, idea, idea. We're all having a great time. We don't know what the fuck is going on. Let's get out of here. Whoa. And it's something completely unique. I can't think of another film like it. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I would watch that TV show, to be clear. But you're right, it does work in this sort of. Yeah. Very small movie with a lot happening. A huge movie inside a very small movie. [00:13:13] Speaker A: There is. There is one. I. I saw this on Amazon. There's a Cabin in the Woods TV show. [00:13:18] Speaker C: There is, yes. [00:13:20] Speaker A: In the same movie. Connected, apparently. I don't know if it's in. In a state in the same universe or if it's like the Scream show or what if it's like an anthology show. Do. Do. [00:13:33] Speaker C: Like, how did. How did we miss this? I don't understand. [00:13:36] Speaker A: I had no clue. Cabin the Woods TV show. Here we go. From 2024 last year, it would seem so this season on Cabin in the woods explores crimes. Okay. It's got fuck all through with the film. It's a movie. It's a TV show that explores crimes that take place in remote cabins around the country. [00:13:58] Speaker C: Gotcha. It's probably on like Hulu or Investigation Discovery or something like that. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Definitely just id. That's definitely an ID show. [00:14:05] Speaker C: That's definitely an ID show right there. Okay, fair enough. I was like, how they do that all the time with ID shows that, like, you're. You think that, like, it has the title of something else. [00:14:16] Speaker B: Well, yeah. That's on purpose, right? [00:14:17] Speaker C: It has to, right? Yeah. So when you talk into your little Roku or whatever and have it come up, you're. You end up just accidentally watching it and staying. [00:14:25] Speaker A: It's exactly what happened with Amazon prime today. I searched Cabin in the woods and it was there right next to what you wanted to watch. [00:14:30] Speaker C: Right. They just hope that once it starts, you can be like, yeah, I guess. Yeah, why not? So along these lines, obviously, so you've got like that Evil Dead grounding here. And I love what you said about the fact that, like, that is how it tricks you. And I. I honestly kind of wish I'd rewatched The trailer, because I don't remember how it was presented, but I'm sure it had nothing of like the the Office scenario thing going on here in the shadowy organization. And I'm sure it just emphasized the cabin in the woods, Evil Dead Z part of it. [00:15:05] Speaker A: I think. I think the poster says you think you know the story or something like that. [00:15:09] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, it is something nice. Yeah, I did notice that on the letterboxd, but so it's playing off of kind of what you already expect from horror movies. But of course, one of the big things about this is that it is also chock full of references to other horror movies. And Mark, you, you actually came prepared with a little like I did guide to that before. [00:15:37] Speaker A: I'd quite like to hear from Kristen at this point. I'd quite like to just explore a little bit about how it landed. [00:15:45] Speaker C: Okay, so you want to do that section then come back to this? [00:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the beats of the movie. What, you know, how it kind of unfolds. But this is all about your journey, Kristin Latourell. So I would love to know how this particular step treated. [00:16:01] Speaker C: Sure, yeah. Let's. [00:16:02] Speaker B: How the movie landed in general. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. [00:16:05] Speaker C: Let's get into the. Your experience part then, Kristen. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Okay, so obviously don't know any of these things you're talking about, right? Never. I don't really know what Evil Dead is. I'm assuming it must be some sort of zombie film. Maybe. I don't know, kind of. But it takes place in the woods. [00:16:18] Speaker C: Demons, but. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Something being like, summoned from some. The ether. [00:16:23] Speaker A: It's all there. It's evil and dead. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Yeah, evil and dead. Great. Perfect. That makes sense. So I like, obviously come into all these films. I don't look anything about them. I don't look up anything. I purely go off of what I know. I didn't know anything about this. [00:16:37] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Which is hilarious. Even more so because when I went to, it was. It's like on prime streaming. Right. I didn't have to pay for it. The dream. I go to. I go to start it, but I didn't want to start it yet. I was like getting food, so I was like getting ready. So I like, I. I didn't want it to like, autoplay. So I went down to the, like more other movies you might like to like, keep it away from my like, prying eyes. And so then I started. So then I immediately got my food. So I just like clicked start whatever was like getting Situated. And then movie starts, and I'm like, oh, I think maybe I must have started one of those other accident, because this isn't what is happening. Like, why is. Like, why is it. What's Jenkins? What's his face? And Bradley Whitford in an office with Amy Acker. And I was like, the fuck? And it reminded me when I watched Barb and Star go to Vista Del Mar. And it had that same vibe where I was like, these are quirky ladies on vacation. [00:17:25] Speaker C: The first time someone has compared Cabin in the woods to Barbie Vista Del Mar. [00:17:30] Speaker B: I don't want to brag. I. I go to lengths to do things that other people don't do. Corey. And so that was the vibe that. Where I thought I started the wrong film. Because I was like, this isn't okay, but I guess I'll just hold on, right? Because also, like, the beginning had all these, like, sacrifices. I was like, this was about a cabin in the woods. Like, what is happening? And so I continued to be very confused for most of the film, right? Until finally you, like, really, like, you. [00:17:55] Speaker C: Get the title sequence over the two guys talking about, like, are you even listening to me in the golf cart? And you're like, okay, it is the right movie. [00:18:05] Speaker B: And then I was like, then I was confused because it felt like they were fake. And I'm like, fake haunt them. Like, this was an experiment, right? We're watching to see what they do in the basement. I'm like, okay, I get it. They're, like, punking these kids. But then when people rose from the ground, I was like, that feels pretty real, though. So maybe not. At every moment, I was like. Right when I was like, all right, I get it. I see what's happening here. They were like, just kidding. You have no idea what's going on. It's like, you're correct. I still am a little bit unclear as to what is actually happening. And so I was like, who is this government? Is it the government? Like, why is. Like. Then there was, like, Battle Royale was happening in Japan, which was confusing. I don't know if that was supposed to make that connection. But I was like, what? Why? [00:18:45] Speaker C: I enjoyed that. [00:18:46] Speaker B: You. [00:18:46] Speaker C: You really went to Battle Royale. Yeah. [00:18:49] Speaker B: I mean, they were wearing the same outfits. [00:18:51] Speaker C: Well, that is how Japanese school kids. Right? [00:18:54] Speaker B: Well, that's what I'm saying. So it's like. It's like they were at school being tortured. [00:18:57] Speaker C: But listen, a couple months ago, you would not have caught that. [00:19:00] Speaker B: True. That is so true. [00:19:01] Speaker A: I think it's Korea. I think I Think the kids are in Korea. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Not Japan. No, it's Japan. [00:19:05] Speaker C: No, it's Japan. [00:19:06] Speaker B: 1,000% Japan. Look, I know you're an expert, but I Very closely. [00:19:11] Speaker A: I defer. I defer very well because they talk. [00:19:13] Speaker B: About Japan 80 times. Japan. They can't even kill nine year olds. And I'm like, all right, so good. [00:19:18] Speaker C: A little bit. [00:19:21] Speaker B: So anyway, at every step of the way, I did not understand what's going. Like, right when I thought I did. Confused again. Like, surprised. Surprise after surprise. Right. Could not have been more surprised every time. And then. Yeah, just continued to be. But I also, like, didn't understand what some of the. I didn't know if, like, the. Some of the demons they were trying to get. If I, like, should know who they are sort of thing. Right. Like, some of the things that were in boxes, I was like, oh, I wonder if these are real things from other movies. I don't know. [00:19:48] Speaker C: We'll get there. That'll be fun. [00:19:51] Speaker B: But I did because it felt like the Saw guy felt like he got a lot of screen time for someone who a. Never spoke. [00:19:55] Speaker C: Yeah, they're definitely pointing out who he is or the Kirkland brand of him. Yes. Yeah. [00:20:04] Speaker B: Okay. So, yeah, I just. I had a great time because I kept being like, oh, right. And then, like I said, people kept dying really fast. And then I was like, what's happening? Like, what is. What's the point of this movie? Keep killing everybody. Like, Chris Hendrix died so early. I felt like, like, what is. And then like, Fran, when my boy. I love him. [00:20:24] Speaker C: So why. [00:20:24] Speaker A: Why. Why did he not go on to be huge? Why did he not go on top? [00:20:28] Speaker B: Like, a massive career, everything. He's in Aces. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Absolutely great in this film. [00:20:34] Speaker C: Yeah, he was in everything I was watching. So the other day on cnn, they broadcast the. The final Broadway performance of Good Night and Good Luck with George Clooney. And it opens up and Fran Kranz is in it. And I was like, does he play? Can't remember at this point. There's all these, like, old white newsmen. I don't. I don't remember. He's not. He's not Morrow. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Well, yeah, because that's Clooney. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Yeah, that's Clooney. [00:21:01] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:01] Speaker B: No, it's just a Broadway play. [00:21:03] Speaker C: It's. It was a movie. David Stratharan, 20 Years Ago. [00:21:07] Speaker B: The George Clooney movie 20 years ago. But now he's old enough to play, though. [00:21:11] Speaker C: He's old enough to be the guy. And yeah, it's about a famous newsman here In America who challenged the guy who was responsible for, like, the Red Scare and everybody, you know, being prosecuted for being. [00:21:26] Speaker A: I see. [00:21:26] Speaker C: I see a communist here. But anyway. And I was like, seriously, like, why him and Enver should be in everything. And I don't understand what happened. Why they didn't both just blow up. Doesn't make sense to me. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Well, I should have, definitely, because I thought he was dead. And I was so happy when he wasn't. You guys, I've never been more happy in my life. I literally screamed. I was like, like, when they were like, all came in and I was like, oh, no. Like, okay, right? They were, like, really upset about the bridge. We didn't get the call. I was like, they're like, really harping on not getting the call. Like, we get it, guys. You didn't do your job well. It's fine. Like, you don't have to pass the buck. And then the red phone rings and you're like, oh, my God, is that the president? Is he in charge? I thought he was going to show up. Hated it. Unless the president was Sigourney Weaver, which I'm not quite sure where she came from, by the way. She just sort of like, arrived from somewhere. I'm like, that looks like a bottomless pit that you just, like, walked out of. Whatever. [00:22:18] Speaker A: There's a prequel there for sure. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Something like that. [00:22:21] Speaker A: At the same time, I'm glad they didn't. I'm so glad that this is like its own unique and little and special perfect thing that they've never tried to, like, you know. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Well, you don't need to do anything else with it, right? Because it was so odd that. What's your fate? Dana was gonna die off screen. Like, they were all partying. I was like, so we're just looking. [00:22:36] Speaker C: At, like, she's just gonna. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Okay, fine. Like, that seemed like a weird vibe. And so then when they were like, oh, my God, we have to stop this. Right? Because the virgin. Whatever. Can't die first. But, oh, when he showed up, you guys, I was so happy. Oh, I knew it. I mean, I didn't know it, but he also had, I thought an off screen death was. I thought was rude. Like, I love that. [00:22:52] Speaker C: Like, you. You always notice these things, but, like, you don't, like, trust your instinct with. Why are they harping on this? Like, just not getting the call again? Why did he die off screen? [00:23:05] Speaker B: Like, because I'm never thinking that hard about the things that I'm watching. [00:23:08] Speaker C: Right? You're noticing it, but you're Not. [00:23:10] Speaker B: I'm clocking it. [00:23:11] Speaker A: The tropes are going in. That's what it is. The neural pathways are forming. [00:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah, they're in there somewhere. And I think. I think I said it last time when we were talking about the last movie last month, when I was like, oh, I noticed this, and I was, like, so proud of myself. Because normally I'm just like, oh, that was weird, right? And you're like, no, Kristen, that's, like, the main crux of the film. I'm like, yes, of course. I also do this. [00:23:29] Speaker C: Yes, yes, definitely on purpose. Did you notice? I mean, one of the things I was thinking about when watching this is just one of those things. Obviously you noticed it's not subtle, but. So in the beginning, when they're driving to the cabin, you see the, like, falcon or eagle or whatever the hell it is go and, like, smash into the. The side of the dome thing. Yeah, the force field. Did you remember that? [00:23:53] Speaker B: When Chris Hemsworth went to Corrigan. I'm actually embarrassed that I didn't remember it until he was in the air about to hit myself. The force. Like, I didn't get. [00:24:05] Speaker C: Oh, losing Internet. She always has the best freezes. [00:24:12] Speaker B: What's gonna happen? [00:24:13] Speaker C: Oh, here we go. Here she is. Okay, sorry, we lost you. You froze. So you were at. Like, he was. You noticed as he was going towards the force. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it was like. I didn't think, because I kept thinking, like, what are you gonna do? Like, this seems like a stupid idea, right? Remembering the force field until he was literally in the air, about, like, seconds away from hitting it, when I thought, oh, the force. And then it was, like, done. [00:24:34] Speaker A: So I think the force field is the one bit of the film that I still scratch my head over a little bit. So are the guys underground? Do they put a force field over every kind of location around the globe where they're enacting the scenarios? [00:24:51] Speaker C: I mean, they must. [00:24:52] Speaker A: With the frog. Do they have a force field around their school? [00:24:55] Speaker C: Yeah, because it's. Clearly, they try to keep everything in a very contained location. So that's why they wanted the collapse on the. The front of the tunnel and things like that. Like, it's not everywhere. It's not the whole world. [00:25:08] Speaker A: You can't let those fucking gribblies out into the real world. So you've got to put a force field around the impact zone. Yeah. Okay. Fine. Fine, fine, fine, fine. [00:25:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:15] Speaker C: Yes. [00:25:16] Speaker B: So, yes, I remembered it, but not enough to not be surprised. Kind of. [00:25:20] Speaker C: I know that when I saw it the first time, I Did not remember that at all. So when he hit, I was like. Which I think is just, like, so effective in this. Of, like, even. Even when you're watching for the tropes and the things you're looking out for and all that, it's. There's so much going on that, like, you. You don't retain everything, you know? And then something happens. You're like, they warned me. They told me. [00:25:44] Speaker B: But I was kind of embarrassed because I feel like they. They'd warned you there, but then they warned you again because Fran is standing outside high as a. [00:25:54] Speaker C: Oh, there she goes again. Oh, there we are. [00:25:58] Speaker B: Okay, guys, this is, like, so embarrassing. I feel like I'm really having performance. [00:26:02] Speaker A: I think it's okay. I think it's okay. [00:26:04] Speaker B: No, I'm, like, getting really sweaty. [00:26:07] Speaker C: So he's standing outside. [00:26:09] Speaker B: So he's standing outside and he's looking up. He goes, oh, I thought there'd be more stars. And I think to myself, dude, no stars in the arena, my guy. Like, of course not. You're in the Hunger Games now. [00:26:19] Speaker A: Very nice. [00:26:20] Speaker C: That is really good. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Very nice that I clocked that. Once again. Clocked it. Forgot about it. [00:26:27] Speaker C: That's good. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Like I said, I'm like a child when I watch these films. I'm just like, oh, my God, what's gonna happen next? And everyone's like, kristen, they've literally foretold what's going to happen. They've told you so many times. Why are you so surprised? [00:26:38] Speaker C: We've talked a bit about this, too. In that, like, Mark tends to be more like that, too, of not necessarily trying, like, the whole time to connect the dots or whatever. Where I tend to, like, be like, oh, that happens. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Oh, you'll have the ending guessed within the first five minutes. Because you're a super recognizer, aren't you? [00:26:53] Speaker C: Yeah, super recognizer. I'm usually, like, immediately clock whatever the pattern is or whatever, and, like, see where this is going. This movie is clearly not the case. There's no way you could know where this is going beforehand. But I think, Mark, you usually are more along for the ride like that. Where, like, you're not necessarily given the. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Choice between being, you know, Carl or Lenny. Should we say? I. I'm. I prefer. I prefer be. I like to be surprised. What can I tell you? I like to go along for the ride. [00:27:22] Speaker C: Yeah. What a way to put it. But so what else? Tell us more about, you know, what stood out to you, Kristen? Favorite parts? Anything that remained fusing. Anything that you were like, is this A reference, something. What else did. What stood out to you in Cabin in the Woods? [00:27:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I eventually got the, like, like, jock kind of, like, slut. It was interesting because it took me a second to realize how their personalities had changed because they didn't spend a ton of time as those people in the beginning, right? Because they, it was all so quick that it didn't, I didn't clock it at first. And so that took me a second to realize, like, why? Because it's like, he's like, we should all stick together. And then they hit him with the gas. I'm like, you know, they are really like, personality switching, these people, which I thought was interesting. And so that took me a while to get. Well, probably not until, like, the end when I was like, oh, yeah. When they're really coordinating a lot of stuff. [00:28:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that there's, like, a degree to which, like, that covers a multitude of horror sins too. Like, okay, if we are under the impression that every time in a horror movie you have a group of friends go somewhere, this is part of some master plan, you know, and there's someone controlling it, then when all the, like, super sexist things happen and whatnot, like, you know, the blonde is a bimbo because they put something in her hair dye. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's much like, Right. I, I, I believe the Cabin in the woods should be revered as much, if not more so than Scream. Because it's not only a movie about movies, it's a movie that will change the way you watch other movies, right? I head canon all the time when I'm watching a fucking new horror film that the guys underground are going, right, turn on the gas and bring in the grizzly. Yep, got him. Okay, next one. Okay, we're good. Few you can, you can imagine that force field around every single horror movie from now on with somebody underneath pulling the strings. It's fucking great. [00:29:13] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like she, the girl takes her clothes off, but what's his, but Kurt doesn't, right? And I was like, I even said, I think I was like, how come she's the one that's naked? Like, she's the only one that's naked. They're, like, doing it in the woods. And he literally all his clothes on. I was like, what's happening? Right? Like, that was wild. And of course she gets killed first. Which I was like, felt very much like. And to quote your other one in Nightmare on Elm street, yeah, girl is, like, just very much murdered so horribly, deeply, terribly on the ceiling. Or like, and she Once again, was the one that had sex. Okay, there it is happened. I was like, oh, okay, I see what we're doing. I mean, I never saw what was happening. [00:29:52] Speaker C: But they are telling you, like, you know, she needs to. She needs to show her boobs. And it's so funny how it's like you get that whole thing where, like, all the guys are standing there, like, you know, watching, and they, you know, and then he's like, your basic human needs disgust me. Everybody out. You know, and then they're sitting there just, like, really, like, impassively watching from that point. Like, they're. They're not turned on by it or anything like that. They're like, please get the titties out so the monsters will come. [00:30:20] Speaker A: Yeah, he is one of the. One of the ways in which Cabin really, really, really excels for me. Because you can decide which level represents us as the fucking viewer, right? It isn't just a movie about horror movies. It's a movie about people who watch horror movies. Because we've seen gore and nudity and horrible murders and monsters so much in. In. In horror movies, we passively watch while, you know, we watching depictions of teenagers and young girls dying horribly. Are we the jaded guys in the office going, right, let's just get this over the way over. Come on, get it, get it done. Are we the people partying while it happens? Yes, yes, yes. We are also depicted in that film. We are one of those levels of character. Great stuff. [00:31:11] Speaker B: I mean, I'm obviously Truman, because I'm like, don't really know what's going on. And continually surprised by everything that happens, you know? [00:31:17] Speaker C: So true. [00:31:18] Speaker B: Even the newbie is included in those people who are watching, right? Because he was like, aren't you guys, like, just, you know, when he's, like, asking all those questions, I'm like, yeah, that same question, you know, like, yeah. [00:31:29] Speaker A: And it. It's. It's even as overt as calling Sigourney Weaver the director. You know what I mean? Oh, the gods don't really care what the director does as long as the kids behave themselves. So it's talking about the studio system as well. It's talking about us as viewers. It's talking about the system that creates horror films. Yeah. The director says we better hurry up, you know what I mean, to move the story along. Meta, meta, meta stuff which I don't normally have much of a tolerance for, right? But this just chucks it in. Chucks it in. Fuck it. [00:31:57] Speaker C: It's so funny, too, that you mentioned that because I. It causes you to think about your sort of subjectivity and things like that when you're watching it. And at one point I thought, right now I'm home alone. Well, with Walter, obviously. And I was sitting in the dark watching this or whatever. And then afterwards I was like, maybe I'll watch an episode of are you afraid of the dark? And like, no, if I watch are you afraid of the dark? I'm going to be too scared when I go to bed. As I'm sitting here watching this like, slasher flick where all these people are being murdered by monsters that, like, I'm like, I can go to bed now and I'll be fine. But if I put on this episode of are you afraid of the dark? I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. And I probably wouldn't have thought much about it, but because I was then I was watching this movie that invites you to think about your experience of watching horror movies. I was like, what a weird thought I just had. Right? Like, I'm just sitting here totally fine with everything happening in here. If I went to bed right now, I would not have a nightmare or anything like that. It's just, you know, that's just what I do. It's so interesting the way it points that stuff out about you, makes you. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Think about it there and, and you know, and it doesn't. I. I guess it doesn't even matter if you engage with it on that level or not because the, the artifice itself, the movie itself is fun enough for you to not need really to look for that kind of stuff. [00:33:23] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:33:24] Speaker A: But if you just pay a little bit more attention, it's talking about you, it's talking about people behind the camera, it's talking about people in the office, it's talking about the actors, it's talking about the fucking monsters. It's. Oh, It's a real 360 piece. It's brilliant. [00:33:39] Speaker C: Yeah. And. And that's a sign of a well done movie when, you know there's layers and layers of it. But if you're stupid, you could watch it and have. No, casual, let's say casual. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Yeah, let's say casual Corrigan. Maybe. [00:33:53] Speaker C: Listen, you find meanings in this. I'm not, you know, you're. [00:33:56] Speaker B: I mean, I did, but I didn't obviously didn't get half of that stuff. [00:33:59] Speaker C: Sure, sure. [00:33:59] Speaker B: Yeah, man, this movie, you are casual. [00:34:03] Speaker C: Yeah. It's still doing things for you that you don't need to be. Like looking at the 8,000. [00:34:07] Speaker A: It even makes me Wonder. It even makes me fucking wonder. Is the hand at the end the old gods fucking smashing the entire thing to shit? Is that revenue and viewing figures? Is that the fucking final decider on whether the world lives or dies? [00:34:26] Speaker C: No, you can just go for it. [00:34:28] Speaker B: Was the bad guy all along? [00:34:30] Speaker C: Well, piracy. Piracy. Yes, that's it. [00:34:37] Speaker B: It hurts more than just you. [00:34:40] Speaker A: You wouldn't download a car. Did you have that, that anti piracy ad in the States? [00:34:45] Speaker C: We did, yes. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I love it. So good. [00:34:48] Speaker C: I know. I love when I put on an old DVD and it still has those ads before them. [00:34:53] Speaker A: Oh, I fucking would. If I could get one on the Internet, I would absolutely download a car. If I could get one on fucking Torrent Leech. [00:35:00] Speaker C: Once we can 3D print one, it's all over for you bitches. Yeah, game over off Onda. [00:35:05] Speaker B: Once I know how cars work. Oh my God, am I coming for you. [00:35:08] Speaker C: You're so done. You're so done. What else, Kristen? Oops, my watch just fell off. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Honestly, I just, I had a great time. Right? Because like I said, it wasn't even like, I guess. What would you say the tagline was, Mark? Like, you think you know, you think. [00:35:24] Speaker A: You know the story or something. [00:35:26] Speaker B: I mean, I didn't think I knew the story and then. But many times throughout the movie I thought I did know the story. [00:35:32] Speaker C: Like, I get it now. [00:35:33] Speaker B: And then I continue. Yeah, but I kept not. And so I. That aspect of it. So it just was fun to be like continually surprised. I think lots of times you watch things and it's like while maybe you're like, oh, that was enjoyable. Like, like I kept being tripped up continually. Right. And you. I don't feel like I don't get that a lot. Just in regular. Not just when we're talking horror films. I think like other things that I watch because I tend to obviously watch a lot of like, crime shows. Like about like, sure. Just weird, I guess. But I just recently watched one the same thing where I was like, oh, man, they really got me. And I feel like they never do anymore because, like, it got me. And I like being got. It's fun to be got, you know. [00:36:12] Speaker A: It is fun to be got. [00:36:13] Speaker B: Like, it's like too cool to be got. I'm like, I like it. [00:36:15] Speaker A: Exactly. No chance. I love being gone. Ah, yeah. Got me. Yeah. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Like my favorite. One of my favorite movies was this one that my dad made me watch, like back in the day. And I was like, okay. And we watched it and I still think about, like, man, I wish I could watch that again for the first time. [00:36:30] Speaker C: Like, is it the Sting? [00:36:32] Speaker B: Well, that is one of them, but it was actually striking distance. Which Willis. [00:36:38] Speaker C: All right. [00:36:39] Speaker B: And Sarah Jessica Parker. It's this like very random movie from the 80s, I guess, or 90s. [00:36:44] Speaker C: Well, don't tell us anything about it so that we can be surprised by it as well. [00:36:48] Speaker B: So it was. But same thing. I was like, man, I wish I could rewatch that, you know? And then obviously, yeah, definitely the Sting is like, oh, God, that move. That's. It doesn't meet your brief criteria. But it's so good. [00:37:01] Speaker C: No, it definitely does not. Yeah. So with all of that said, then, do we want to sort of approach our gribblies and we will, we will. Oh, you still have something else? [00:37:15] Speaker B: Just super briefly define gribblies before we start. [00:37:17] Speaker C: Marco, listen, there's no. Just go. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Allow me. This is a better movie than Scream, right? It is a better film than Scream. It is a better movie than Scream and I'll tell you for why. I'll tell you what pushes it. [00:37:29] Speaker C: Nobody asked you to compare it to Scream, Mark. [00:37:32] Speaker A: But the comparison is valid, right? It bears weight. It's a horror movie about horror movies. Sure, right, sure. Yeah. But whereas I don't think Scream ever fully takes its head out of its ass. Right? There's a point about 2/3 of the way through Cabin in the woods where you can almost hear the movie saying to you, alright, enough talk, let's fucking go. And it goes up a gear and becomes an absolutely fucking wild horror movie. When she hits the purge button and hell breaks loose in that fucking basement. It's like, all right, we've talked about it enough now let's fucking. Let's do the thing now. And all hell breaks loose and there's fucking gore everywhere. And there's like in an eight foot set, an eight foot by eight foot fucking set, there's like 40 different fucking monsters all creating absolute carnage for the last 20 minutes of the film. It's like, all right, just in case you were wondering if we're all talk and we're all fucking film school, all right, have this. He can't hits the button and just goes insane. Which I don't think Scream ever does. It never finds that gear. For me, it's more of a thesis than it is a horror movie. [00:38:44] Speaker C: Sure. Which you always talk about Scream like you don't like it when you actually love most of it. But I see what you're saying. But I do think it's that kind of one of the things about Cabin in the woods is that obviously something like Scream and probably. What's the other Wes Craven one that does this? The one New Nightmare like, things like that are obviously in the. Like pot. [00:39:08] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. [00:39:09] Speaker C: Influences that make it so Cabin in the woods can happen, you know. Yeah. Exists and stuff like that to, you. [00:39:17] Speaker A: Know, in case you weren't worried that I'm just being a Freddy fanboy as well, I would put New Nightmare in that. In that bracket. I don't think New Nightmare ever takes the bricks off. And when it does, in fact, it goes to shit. You're at the end of New Nightmare is fucking terrible when you've got Leather Jacket Freddy in some shit looking set with his little demon tongue. Awful. [00:39:36] Speaker C: I love New Nightmare, but I do get what you mean. [00:39:39] Speaker A: But that last third is kind of wonky. You got Walton there. [00:39:46] Speaker C: Oh, no, I got. It was just my. My watch was buzzing in a weird way, but it's fine. Go on. [00:39:52] Speaker A: No, I'm done. I'm done. I like that a great deal. [00:39:55] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think that is like exactly those comparisons to. Or what makes Cabin in the woods so great is the fact that it takes so many. The input of so many things and then comes up with something that is greater than its parts. Right? Like that. [00:40:13] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. [00:40:13] Speaker C: There's so many things that are an homage to something else that try to pull different, like bits of other things into them in one way or another and maybe come out with something that's as good if they're lucky, you know. But rarely do you get something that takes all of those influence and what it spits back out is something that is probably greater than 95% of the things that are that went into it, if not 100. [00:40:39] Speaker A: But it's also, like we said earlier on, is also great if you've just found this scrolling through Netflix and gone, oh, Catherine woods. Like a look at this. But it, you know, it rewards a kind of a knowledge and love of horror, but it doesn't demand one. [00:40:53] Speaker C: Yes, exactly. Completely. Yeah. Whiteboard, Marco, Whiteboard. [00:40:59] Speaker A: All right, so for the uninitiated, right, the kind of the surface plot of Cabin in the woods is there is a department. They might be the government, maybe they're not. We don't think they are. But there's a department with branches all over the world that is creating sacrifices, human sacrifices to old gods who used to rule this plane of existence. And if the sacrifices aren't done in just the right way and in just the right order, before midnight on a Specified day. Then the old gods will break out of their prison at the earth's core possibly and wipe out all of humanity. Right. Now what this clandestine underground, bureaucratic, almost office, you know, work a day, day to day office department does is it seeds all of the demons and all of the ghosts and all of the baddies you've ever seen in every horror film into these situations all across the world. And whichever ones our protagonists choose will be the ones that enact their death. Now what's. I know there's a word for this. It's when like an Aldi brand comes so close to duplicating the copyright and the logo of another brand. So you know what it is? [00:42:20] Speaker C: Right. [00:42:20] Speaker A: But they should get sued, you know. [00:42:22] Speaker C: Yes. [00:42:23] Speaker A: What's the word for that? I'm sure there's like. [00:42:26] Speaker C: Is there a word for that? [00:42:27] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:42:27] Speaker C: Oh, I'm sure there is. Yeah. [00:42:29] Speaker B: We call it like Kirkland brand usually. [00:42:30] Speaker C: Yeah, Kirkland, that's like the Costco brand of the store of things. [00:42:36] Speaker B: We're saying the same thing. We just call it. [00:42:38] Speaker C: We're saying the same thing. But you're right, there probably is an actual term for that, like in the industry. I just. [00:42:44] Speaker A: Don't you see it in wrestling a lot? So wrestlers will have theme music which is like a no go. Too different from like a metal. [00:42:50] Speaker C: Or like everyone knows. Yeah. When whatever. They go on like Facebook in a TV show or whatever. [00:42:57] Speaker A: But it's, you know my favorite British soap, Eastender. Every now and again a character will go on. Friend face. [00:43:04] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Yes. [00:43:08] Speaker A: Oh, beautiful. [00:43:10] Speaker C: Precisely. [00:43:11] Speaker A: But anyway. And all of these monsters that you've ever seen in every horror film are kept underground in a vault and let out when they're selected by the protagonist topside and left to do their bidding. So what I thought might be fun is about halfway through the film the. The Office and all of the different departments like maintenance and biotech, Chemistry, they all take bets on which monster this particular group of kids is gonna resurrect this time. And they have like an office pool and they both chuck in, you know, $5 into the bag and they. Oh, fuck. Okay. And they write them all up on like a. On like a board with odds and whatever. And I've got a screen grab of the board here. I thought it might be fun to just take a little look at this board and see just what a broad kind of tap ass of horror this topic. [00:44:03] Speaker C: Oh, I know, I got it. Making sure I got that. [00:44:07] Speaker B: I enjoyed the way you pronounced it. But I was like, I get what. [00:44:12] Speaker C: We'Re going for here. Yeah. [00:44:13] Speaker A: I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna send a request to share my screen. [00:44:17] Speaker C: Excellent. Look at this. [00:44:19] Speaker B: This is like. [00:44:19] Speaker A: Can you see my screen going to. [00:44:21] Speaker C: Be Kristen's Facebook page? Kristen on Joag the other day, he told us a horrifying story of Facebook stalking someone during a meeting and then accidentally putting that screen up in front of them. [00:44:42] Speaker A: Kristen. It was the worst. I wanted to fucking end my life there on camera. It was terrible. There was a girl on. On. On this call set on. And I was like, they were on the call. [00:44:52] Speaker C: They were on the call. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And then we went into a breakout room, and I was with this. This girl, and I shared my screen. [00:44:58] Speaker B: I can't. [00:44:59] Speaker A: It was terrible. [00:45:01] Speaker B: And they all saw it for, like. [00:45:03] Speaker A: 45 minutes, and it was up there for, like, two or three seconds before. And the only thing I could say was, okay, I'll just close that. Oh, it was fucking horrible. Right? [00:45:16] Speaker B: One of the worst things I've ever heard. [00:45:17] Speaker C: This is what one of our listeners said of this moment. That this was the most. The. The most horrifying four words that he'd heard on our horror podcast was, well, I'll just close that. [00:45:28] Speaker A: Just close that. [00:45:30] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:45:32] Speaker A: Anyway, here we have the whiteboard. All right. Does that. Can you. Can you see my screen? [00:45:38] Speaker B: Yeah, Here we go. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Oops. Except I somehow got rid of it. Oh, there it is. Okay. Yes. [00:45:43] Speaker A: Okay, let's do this. So werewolf speaks for itself. [00:45:47] Speaker C: Yes, we know werewolf. [00:45:49] Speaker A: Obviously. [00:45:50] Speaker B: I read a lot of werewolf romances, and that's not usually how werewolves react. Sir. [00:45:55] Speaker A: You guys. [00:45:57] Speaker B: Mark, please. Obviously. [00:46:00] Speaker C: Obviously. What's the. There's a word for that romance. [00:46:04] Speaker B: It's omegaverse. [00:46:05] Speaker C: Okay. Romantic. [00:46:06] Speaker B: That's not quite romantasy. Omegaverse would be a werewolf. [00:46:10] Speaker A: Like erotic werewolf fiction. [00:46:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:13] Speaker A: Is that what we're talking about here? [00:46:14] Speaker B: I'm just saying it's not. [00:46:16] Speaker C: It's. [00:46:16] Speaker B: There's a story. Anyway. It's not just erotica. Gosh. [00:46:22] Speaker A: There's like, a werewolf comes to fix the photocopier and. [00:46:26] Speaker B: Mark, how dare you belittle it. [00:46:29] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:46:31] Speaker A: There's a future fan cave. I'll read a werewolf smut pamphlet. [00:46:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:36] Speaker A: And I'll. Come on and we can maybe talk that through. [00:46:39] Speaker C: Love it. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Anyway, this is amazing. Anyway, mutants, Mutants, Mutants. Corry. And I did see the mutants. They're in the hospital gowns, and they've got, like, lumpy mutant heads. [00:46:49] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Because here's the thing, Kristen. All of these all of these beasts are in that final 20 minutes. They're all there. [00:46:56] Speaker C: Are they all. I've never actually. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Like I saw the tree. [00:47:00] Speaker C: Oh, that's amazing. [00:47:01] Speaker A: Okay, so zombies. Reptilius. That was the giant snake, I think. [00:47:06] Speaker C: Yeah, that makes sense. [00:47:08] Speaker B: What's the difference between giant snake and reptilius? [00:47:10] Speaker C: Oh, does it say giant snake? Giant snake. [00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Internal logistics. Also thought giant snake. [00:47:18] Speaker A: Look at Reptilius. [00:47:19] Speaker C: What could Reptilius have been? [00:47:21] Speaker A: Alligator. Something like that. I'd have to watch it again. Is it like a man shaped reptiles? [00:47:26] Speaker C: Yeah, there must be something. I wish I'd been sitting there with this as like a checklist because I didn't realize they're all. [00:47:33] Speaker A: Oh, they're all there. They're all there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:47:36] Speaker C: Obviously we see the clown. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Obviously, yes. It. Of course. Then you've got witches. Pick your movie. Sexy witches. [00:47:47] Speaker C: That's pretty great. Demons. [00:47:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:52] Speaker B: Heaven. Who's Kevin? [00:47:54] Speaker A: Now? I, I've. I've been on the Cabin in the woods. Read it quite a bit over the years. [00:48:01] Speaker C: As you imagine. [00:48:01] Speaker B: A classic. [00:48:02] Speaker A: And of all of these Griblies, Kevin is the one that's most difficult to spot. A lot of people don't spot Kevin and I've never seen Kevin. And nobody really knows where or who he is or what he's referring to. If anyone really or listening to this knows what Kevin in Cabin in the woods refers to what movie they're drawing from there, I'd love to know. [00:48:22] Speaker B: So are Gribblies like. Is that like a slang, like a horror slang for monsters? Oh, is that why we. [00:48:26] Speaker A: Sorry, I digress. It's. Nah, it's. It's. I've never. [00:48:29] Speaker B: It's a word you made. [00:48:30] Speaker A: It's just a word. [00:48:30] Speaker B: I. [00:48:31] Speaker A: It's a generic kind of term for monsters. Whether you're in a game, a video game or a book or a TV show, the Gribbly is coming to get you. Hell Lord. So that's Hellraiser. [00:48:39] Speaker C: That's the guy with the laser guy. That's. Yeah. So he's holding exactly right. And the box is the. What's it called? [00:48:51] Speaker B: Pandora's Box. [00:48:53] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. What's it called, Mark, in the. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Well in the movies it's called the Lament Configuration. [00:48:57] Speaker C: The Lament Configuration. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Yes. No, yes. [00:49:00] Speaker A: I think in the book it's Le Marchand's Configuration. [00:49:03] Speaker C: Oh, fancy. [00:49:06] Speaker A: You've got the Angry Molesting Tree which of course is a direct reference to Evil Dead. That's another thing you're going to get in Evil Dead. You're gonna get. [00:49:12] Speaker B: That says molesting tree. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what the trees. [00:49:15] Speaker B: But it said a mollusk. I was like, I don't know what that means. [00:49:17] Speaker C: Molest tree. Yeah. This is directly from Evil Dead, a scene that largely, I think we all agree, shouldn't be there. [00:49:26] Speaker A: History has moved on from that. [00:49:27] Speaker C: Yeah, history has moved on from the moles. [00:49:29] Speaker A: I think the filmmakers have also said if we had our time again, we probably wouldn't have put the molesting tree in it. [00:49:35] Speaker C: Yes. [00:49:36] Speaker A: But it exists. [00:49:37] Speaker C: It exists. Giant snake, obviously. Deadites. Which brings us back to Evil Dead. [00:49:43] Speaker A: Another Evil Dead rip. [00:49:45] Speaker C: Yes. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Kevin knows. [00:49:48] Speaker C: Yeah. I was just looking at the wiki for it, and it. I love that there's, like. Like, theories about, like, he's probably just, like, a regular person, so he could just, like, fit in with everyone else. [00:49:58] Speaker A: He's in the background somewhere, isn't he? [00:49:59] Speaker C: Yeah. It could be a serial killer. Like, we don't. We don't know. There's, like, theories about, like, he just might be moving through there and we don't know who he is. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Yes. Mummy speaks for itself. The Bride. I'm certain. I'm certain we saw. I'm certain we saw a kind of a veiled, like, ghost type kind of character. Is that a wraith? [00:50:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I took that as kind of a wraithy thing. But if there's no wraith on the list, then maybe that's the bride. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a wraith. Fourth down. [00:50:28] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Then I think that was a wraith with a bride. I must watch it a ninth time. And maybe. [00:50:33] Speaker C: Yeah, you're just gonna have to. With the scarecrow folk. [00:50:37] Speaker A: We saw them, the baghead scarecrow guys. [00:50:39] Speaker B: Yeah, classic. [00:50:40] Speaker A: They get blown up and straw goes everywhere. Fucking brilliant. I don't remember snowman. [00:50:44] Speaker C: I don't remember the snowman either. Did you see a snowman, Kristen? I think the funny thing is, Kristen. [00:50:51] Speaker A: Did you see a snowman in the movie Cabin in the Woods? [00:50:57] Speaker C: I think the thing is, what also is kind of fun about these is that not everything, like, looks exactly like what you expect it to like. When we finally see a merman, that's not really what you're expecting of merman. [00:51:09] Speaker B: Because Corgan, when the merman showed up, up, I thought it was the absorbing lady from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. And I was like, how did she get here? [00:51:21] Speaker A: That's such a lovely little d plot about how, for some reason he'd love to see him and he's quite embarrassed about it. Shut up. [00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was scary, though. I didn't like when she showed up and. Well, and then it wasn't even a she, it was a he. [00:51:34] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a he. And then he blows blood out of his little blowhole. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Horrible dragon bat we saw featured. [00:51:43] Speaker C: Yeah, the dragon that we get a lot. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Brilliant. [00:51:45] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a good one. [00:51:46] Speaker A: Vampires. Yeah. Speaks themselves. Dismemberment goblins. [00:51:50] Speaker C: Well, is that. Oh, wait, no. I was thinking dismembered, because he chops up all the. The things and then all the pieces fall in. But I don't know which one. [00:51:59] Speaker A: I'm certain they're in the mix. Sugar plum fairy. You definitely see on one of the security cameras, she's the little girl in the. [00:52:04] Speaker C: She's the girl with the little lamprey thing. [00:52:06] Speaker A: Beach face. [00:52:06] Speaker B: Yeah, see, I thought she was a changeling because don't they like, suck people? Anyway, that's what I thought she was. [00:52:12] Speaker C: That's solid too. Hey, I'll go with it. [00:52:15] Speaker B: What do I know? [00:52:16] Speaker A: Merman speaks for itself. The reanimated. I think we've definitely seen those in like hospital gowns. Unicorn was brilliant. Stabby unicorn. [00:52:24] Speaker C: I love the idea that, like, just imagine if that had been the thing that like they had picked like. That was what I thought. When you see the unicorn, it's just like. They would have all just been like. Like skewered by a unicorn. [00:52:37] Speaker A: What was the Huron? [00:52:40] Speaker C: The Huron, like the bird. Well, it's got a hue like the lake. The Huron. All right, let's see what the cabin in the woods wiki has to say about the Huron. [00:52:52] Speaker A: I don't recall seeing a Sasquatch. Wendigo Yeti dolls are the human looking people with the doll masks, kind of like the others. [00:53:00] Speaker B: See, I thought those were. That's what I said. I thought those were the strangers. [00:53:05] Speaker C: He's. Sorry. The. The Huron is a. He resembles a stereotypical depiction of an early native man. And he can be seen in the. In the cubes. There's like a. I'd try to show the picture, but with my blur, you probably can't. [00:53:27] Speaker A: No. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Find me the Sasquatch. If you'd be so kind. [00:53:34] Speaker C: Okay, let's see here. Let's see what we got. [00:53:38] Speaker A: Can you put up a Sasquatch for us? [00:53:42] Speaker C: If I had a nickel for every time. Sasquatch. Oh, he's just. He's straight up squatching it. He's exactly. I remember him now. That. Yeah. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. Yeah. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I do. The thing that, like, looks like I. [00:53:55] Speaker B: Don'T have my contacts on. Yeah. [00:53:58] Speaker C: Like, you know, influencers always hold their hand. But yeah, he just look. He looks like, you know, Harry and the Hendersons. Regular old squat. [00:54:06] Speaker A: The doctors certainly remember them. Our zombie redneck torture family, of course. [00:54:11] Speaker C: And obviously our family who they pick. [00:54:15] Speaker A: Texas Chainsaw. Are they the undead Texas family? Aren't they? [00:54:18] Speaker C: That's gotta be. Yeah, the general idea. [00:54:22] Speaker A: I also love the little gag with Ronald the intern when you know, okay, I'm maiden. And then he got wrong going. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:29] Speaker C: I love. It's what's his face who is just delightful. Tom something. He's in a lot of the, like Joss Whedon things and stuff like that. He does things on including Much Ado About Nothing, which is one of the movies that I think Kristen and Brienne and I have watched many, many times. [00:54:46] Speaker B: Guess who's in it? [00:54:48] Speaker C: Which one? [00:54:49] Speaker B: I mean, Fran Krantz is in it. [00:54:50] Speaker C: Fran Kranz. Amy Acker, the guy who plays Ronald the intern. There's a lot of people in this. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Who are in that movie. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Never having seen Frank Kranz in anything other than this movie. He looks like one of those guys who. You wouldn't know it but is ripped as he is. [00:55:07] Speaker C: He's hugely ripped. Yeah. What is. There's. There's another movie. Do you remember what it is, Kristen? There is some movie where he like takes off his shirt and it's like the. Is going on under there. [00:55:19] Speaker B: I don't remember. [00:55:21] Speaker C: Yeah, but you never watched Dollhouse. Mark. [00:55:25] Speaker A: Don't. Maybe. Oh, what, the TV show? [00:55:27] Speaker C: Yeah, the TV show. [00:55:29] Speaker A: No. [00:55:29] Speaker C: Oh, man. Yeah, he's great on that. He's really phenomenal. Jack o' Lantern. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Jack o' Lantern. Don't remember Giant. Don't remember. Twins. I certainly remember that. We've got like a couple of shining twins in there. [00:55:43] Speaker C: Exactly. I, I don't remember if you see them actually, like attacking, but when they zoomed out, I immediately. My eyes went straight to the shining twins. [00:55:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:51] Speaker C: In there. [00:55:52] Speaker A: And again, this, this, this exact image is like, you know, thing number 468 that I love so much about this film because it gives you. And they show this like 30 minutes in the film. You've got this, this scene happens like. [00:56:03] Speaker C: You got the whole list of the movie. Yeah, it's all there. [00:56:06] Speaker A: The entire fucking movie is laid out on this whiteboard which is just a throwaway gag. And it's so fantastic. [00:56:11] Speaker C: I love it. Great times. So, Kristen, I mean, yeah, I think we know but, you know, this gets a positive review. [00:56:23] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Thumbs up. I had a. Like I said, had a great time. It was so fun. I was. I laughed a lot in this one. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:30] Speaker B: You know, like, every. Literally everything Marty said, I was like, this guy is just such a hero. [00:56:36] Speaker C: Shall we go through your breakdown? [00:56:37] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:56:38] Speaker C: Turn it up. So every. Every month, Mark, we also have this little breakdown that we go through just to get, like, the final, you know, understanding of how this went. So first of all, poster versus movie, which is scarier. [00:56:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I definitely think the poster had more scary vibes. Like, when you obviously looked at the poster later. Clearly not before. Classic. And so the poster was definitely scary because, like, when the film started, I was like, this seems like a. Like a workplace comedy. Maybe we're watching, right? It had, like, the vibes were very confusing, so didn't have a lot of scariness to me. [00:57:11] Speaker A: So definitely the poster just on that number. Number 646 of things that I adore about this film in Come with me on this. I know I've said this to you before, Corey, but you know how Ghostbusters is the perfect template of a film that. That is about people who try and use science or earthly ways to combat otherworldly things. I love that gimmick. And this is what if. What if horror movies existed in, like, office space? [00:57:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:40] Speaker A: Beautiful. Such a cool little mesh of formats. [00:57:45] Speaker C: Absolutely. Biggest jump scare. [00:57:48] Speaker B: Yeah, this was embarrassing. Actually, my biggest jump scare is when Holden moved the picture. And then you see Dana creepily, like, staring at that. What you don't realize is a mirror. And I was like. I literally, like, I screamed. And then it was like, what's happening? Like, it was. And then later, when all, like, these other monsters are killing, I was like, this is embarrassing that the only time I. [00:58:08] Speaker C: That was film was then, oh, amazing. I love that. [00:58:13] Speaker B: I mean, expecting her to stand there, I don't know. By the time everything started hitting the fan, right? I was like, okay, now you're ready for it. I'm ready for all these things. But he's just, like, in this creepy cab. I don't know. It was really scary. [00:58:27] Speaker C: You know, it's perfect because when we talked, you know, early on when we watched the Conjuring and we had that conversation about, like, the idea of earned and unearned jump scares. And you were like, all of them are earned to me. [00:58:39] Speaker B: Like, yeah, they're all earned. [00:58:40] Speaker C: There's no difference. I jump either way. And this is, like, an example, though, of that idea of like, subverting it. Right. Like, it wasn't actually a scary thing that happened, and that was what made you jump. And that's when you, like, really feel like, okay, well played. [00:58:56] Speaker B: Yeah, you got me. You got me. They always do. [00:59:02] Speaker C: Were there any moments when you had to close your eyes? [00:59:06] Speaker B: I mean, obviously there was a couple times where I closed them in anticipation, and then it cut away. So you didn't see, like, we didn't really see. What was the friend's name? The blonde? Chloe. [00:59:18] Speaker C: No, not Chloe. I can't think of what it is at the moment either. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Jules. [00:59:22] Speaker C: Jules. Yes, Jules. That's it. [00:59:23] Speaker B: When Jules gets, like, sodden, I was like, I don't want to watch that. But we didn't see it. But it's not like when my, like, Truman. Because I really felt, like, special kinship with him when he got, like, torn apart. Because then they started showing his, like. [00:59:33] Speaker C: I was like, yeah, yeah. It's the same thing that, like, so beautiful. Like, you really don't think. You think he's gonna make it. Like, he's got final girl vibes to him. [00:59:42] Speaker B: I felt like he was gonna kind of step up and, like, do something. [00:59:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:45] Speaker B: You know, because he definitely was, like, questioning, and then he never did. And then he died. I was like, oh. [00:59:51] Speaker C: That'S also. I have the same. It's a similar thing with him getting pulled apart to, like, the part I always close my eyes in in Shaun of the Dead, when the guy, like, the terrible guy gets gets pulled through the Winchester's window and they all start, like. [01:00:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:03] Speaker C: Eviscerating him. And I'm like, oh, no. Yeah. No, thank you. How about biggest surprise? [01:00:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, the whole fucking movie was the biggest surprise. Everything was a surprise. [01:00:16] Speaker C: All of it. [01:00:17] Speaker B: The opening was a surprise. The middle was a surprise. The ending was a surprise. Everything was a surprise. [01:00:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Most surprising movie we've watched. I would. [01:00:25] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. Yeah. Because oftentimes the surprise ends, and then I'm like, okay, now I'm in it. But I was like, why? Surprises just kept flying at my face. [01:00:32] Speaker A: Keep on coming, you know? [01:00:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:35] Speaker C: Best side character. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Yeah, obviously. Mordecai. What a fucking weirdo. Loved him so much. I loved him so much. I loved the phone call when he was like, am I still on speakerphone? You know? And they're just, like, laughing at him. [01:00:46] Speaker C: I was like, oh, sweet, sweet man. [01:00:50] Speaker B: Idiot. He wasn't. He's such a trash person. But I loved him so much, and his name was Mordecai. [01:00:56] Speaker A: I will agree. I will agree with that. [01:00:57] Speaker B: There's never been a better cast and then named character, like, yeah, guy for that role. Perfect name. When his name was Mordecai, I was like, of course his name is Mordecai. [01:01:08] Speaker C: He is definitely Mordecai. [01:01:09] Speaker B: Mordecai or Jeb Stewart. Right. Those are like the two. [01:01:14] Speaker C: Definitely. And finally, best line. [01:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Best line was hard for me. [01:01:20] Speaker C: Right. [01:01:20] Speaker B: Because Marty had just like bangers on. Bangers. [01:01:22] Speaker C: Yeah. My. I'm just gonna say my favorite comes from Marty, which is he's got a husband bulge. [01:01:29] Speaker B: He's got a husband bulge, which is really great. [01:01:31] Speaker C: And that's the only time I watch. [01:01:33] Speaker B: The way he just like in passing does. That one is like, really great. Right. Doesn't stop. It's just like a drive by, like, insult essentially. Or like jab. Corey. I think you might be able to guess the one that I loved the most, if you really thought about it. [01:01:48] Speaker C: But maybe, maybe not. [01:01:49] Speaker B: But the part where he's like. They ask. [01:01:53] Speaker C: I know, I know, I know, I know. As soon as you said, it's the war one, isn't it? When it starts, he's like, what war? [01:02:00] Speaker B: Some in gray and some are brothers. But I was like. I screamed. I loved it so much, I wanted to die. It was just perfect. Oh, I loved it so much. [01:02:11] Speaker C: Yeah. That was. [01:02:12] Speaker B: It was really great. It was really great. [01:02:15] Speaker C: That's. I'm sure that's like a moment where you're like, yes, I'm in this movie. [01:02:18] Speaker B: And I was like, wow, they really, like, made this for me. It feels like. [01:02:22] Speaker C: Which is a reference to the American Civil War. Mark just. [01:02:25] Speaker A: I did. I got that. [01:02:26] Speaker C: Yes. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is in UK schools. But I did know that you might not know this about me. I really like it. [01:02:34] Speaker C: Kind of into the Civil War. It's kind of a thing. [01:02:36] Speaker B: Half of my personality. Deeply embarrassing. [01:02:39] Speaker A: I see. I see. [01:02:39] Speaker C: It's not. [01:02:40] Speaker B: I love it so much. [01:02:41] Speaker C: Amazing. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So that was probably my favorite Marty. But pretty much everything he said was like, genius, obviously. [01:02:48] Speaker C: Absolutely love it. Well, do you want to know what you're watching next month? [01:02:52] Speaker B: Yes. I'm scared now. Are we really getting it? Are they going to be worse now? [01:02:56] Speaker C: No, this is. This is. This is actually a reward, you know, because you graduated from Trope School. [01:03:03] Speaker B: I graduated from Trope School. [01:03:04] Speaker C: You graduated from. [01:03:05] Speaker B: I get a certificate. [01:03:06] Speaker C: No, I think. I think Mark's gonna make you a certificate a little. Yeah. Yes. Make you a certificate for Trope School. This. This is a little reward for your hard work over this semester. So we're gonna we're gonna do a sequel. [01:03:26] Speaker B: A sequel. Okay. [01:03:27] Speaker C: A sequel. Yeah. To one we have already watched. [01:03:31] Speaker B: Sequel that I've already watched. [01:03:32] Speaker C: No, no, you haven't watched. [01:03:33] Speaker B: If it's. [01:03:34] Speaker C: Oh, well, you've watched the first movie. You haven't watched the sequel. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Okay. [01:03:40] Speaker C: All right, well, I'm just going to have. Any other guesses? [01:03:43] Speaker B: No, but I was just going to tell you I wasn't going to watch it. And I'm not going to watch the second Strangers either, so there's another one. I don't want to watch one of those either. Is it. [01:03:51] Speaker C: Is it that it's not Strangers. We are going to watch the Brandy and Jennifer Love Hewitt vehicle. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I know what you did last summer, too. [01:04:00] Speaker C: Or what you did last summer. Yes. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah. You'll have a good time. You'll have a good time. [01:04:06] Speaker C: Kristen. Yes. Featuring Jack Black. Featuring Matthew Settle, AKA it's got Makai Pfeiffer. It's so. [01:04:14] Speaker A: Is there a rapper in there? It feels like there should be a rapper in there. [01:04:17] Speaker C: I don't think there's a rapper in this one. I. I think this one is rapper. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Makai Pfeiffer was in the brand. He was in the video. The boy. [01:04:25] Speaker C: He's in the boys. He's an eight mile as well. [01:04:28] Speaker A: He's also in rapper adjacent. [01:04:31] Speaker C: Yeah, he's rapper adjacent. We'll. We'll give him that. I still know is is a full. A fun, stupid time, and I think you deserve it. [01:04:41] Speaker B: I only love it, though. There better be a trunk full of crabs, though. Trunk full of crabs. That's my favorite part. [01:04:48] Speaker C: Gotta be a truck full of crabs. [01:04:49] Speaker B: It's not a truck. That would be sad. [01:04:51] Speaker C: I like the idea that that, like, that is the trope that appears in every installment, honestly. [01:04:57] Speaker B: And it's funny, right? Because I'm, like, probably the only one that enjoys it. [01:05:00] Speaker C: Nobody. [01:05:02] Speaker B: I loved it so much. I could not have loved it more if it didn't. Honestly, I don't think I would have liked that movie as much if it didn't have that. [01:05:08] Speaker C: If it didn't have the trolls. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Such a great thing. Like, why is this happening? [01:05:14] Speaker C: Oh, God. How did nobody hear the troubles? [01:05:17] Speaker B: What a moment. What a moment. [01:05:19] Speaker C: Like, how. [01:05:20] Speaker B: Where did the crabs go back so quickly? Like. [01:05:25] Speaker C: Did you guys see there was a video going around, like, one of those subway creatures type videos or whatever, But a woman who dropped the bag of crabs on the subway and everyone was, like, trying to help her clean up the crabs as they're, like, pinching. Oh, it was Beautiful, glorious moment, you know, New York style. [01:05:43] Speaker A: I would simply walk further down the train. [01:05:45] Speaker C: Yeah. No, I am not. Listen, I like to think of myself as a helpful person, someone lending a hand to others. But I'm not touching a crab. [01:05:52] Speaker A: Your crab's your business. Yeah, your crab's your problem. [01:05:56] Speaker B: That is between you and your God. Like, I'm not here to get in the middle of that, you know? [01:06:01] Speaker C: Yeah, you've made your crab bed. You must crab line it. Yes. So, friends, prepare for next month. We will be watching I Still Know what yout Did Last Summer. If you've never seen it, get on that. If you have, rewatch it. Grand old time. Mark, thank you so much for coming along on this little voyage. [01:06:25] Speaker A: It was an absolute pleasure. See you in another decade. [01:06:31] Speaker C: Okay? Here, here. Because I. I didn't let him on the fan cave before, apparently. [01:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but now he's here, so once you're on the list, man, you can't get away from us. [01:06:39] Speaker A: Beautiful Short list from this point forward. What? I mean, the chance to talk about one of the best films ever with two of the best people ever. What a treat. [01:06:45] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:06:46] Speaker C: So delightful. Stop it. We can go, Marco. [01:06:49] Speaker B: I mean, we can go. It's fine. [01:06:51] Speaker C: And friends, thank you for doing the right thing, as always. We love you lots. And you should go ahead and stay spooky. [01:06:58] Speaker B: Or don't. It's up to you.