Ep. 233: fry me up an onion, mama

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Hello, everyone. Mark here. [00:00:10] Speaker B: It's like you forgot where you were first. [00:00:12] Speaker A: I really did. [00:00:13] Speaker B: What am I doing? I have just clapped my hands. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Probably had to focus up. I had a little fugue there where I blinked out of this kind of level of the dark tower. But now I'm back. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Right. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Mark here, friends. And I'm here along with Corrigan, and we're here to deliver you this week's episode of the Thrilling, twisting, turning, ever changing. Always amazing, never same. Always up for a game podcast. Jack of all graves. I'm just gonna. I'm diving in this week. Right. I'm gonna bring us in this weekend. [00:00:46] Speaker B: Yeah, let's do it. You. [00:00:49] Speaker A: Whether you know this or not, darling listener, whether you're aware of this or not or not, Jack of all graves, we have a very busy in Tre. Right. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:03] Speaker A: No, we do our listeners. Yeah. Inbox. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Like an inbox? [00:01:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Is that what you're saying? [00:01:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. [00:01:10] Speaker B: I was like, what the fuck is an. Are you saying entree? Weird. No, no, no. In box. Yes. Okay. Do people call. Is entree a thing people say there or did you just make that? Is that a Marcus? [00:01:22] Speaker A: No, it's definitely not Marcus. It's definitely something people say. My in tray. It's in my in tray. That's more of a holdover from like paper based office. Oh, my in tray's full. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Yes. Our in tray or box. Choose your own adventure. Quite busy. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Let's not dwell, you know, Quite busy. [00:01:41] Speaker B: Not unregnant. [00:01:42] Speaker A: Super busy. Because to be honest, I think we've got too many listeners now. This week we hit 9 million unique downloads on. And that's just on Spotify, so Christ alone knows what we're doing across all platforms combined. [00:02:02] Speaker B: I know there's no way of knowing. [00:02:04] Speaker A: So we are capping it now. Don't listen to us anymore, please. We don't want anyone to listen. We are full. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Yep. We are not accepting Jackal. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Grace is full. Unless you've got, like, special need or. [00:02:15] Speaker B: You know, a case of prescription for Joanne. [00:02:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And then, you know, you fill it. You. You give us a ring and we'll give you the form and the entry exam. But anyway, what I'm saying is our inbox is full. People, people, people all the time send us. Hannah does. Sends us so many. Walter, does he. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Sorry, my dog is barking. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Oh, of course. So because it's summer Joag and because we got fuck all else lined up, I'm gonna. I'm gonna level with you, right. [00:02:48] Speaker B: You make it sound like this was like, oh, we had no ideas. Instead of, like, intensely, we were like, let's do a chill thing today. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Oh, sometimes not having ideas is the idea. Let's be. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Well, that's a good point. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Let's be clear. They're not all who wander are lost, you know. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:05] Speaker A: Fair and with intentionality and with absolute clarity and decision. This week we're just gonna ramble a little bit. We're gonna. I'm gonna clear out some of the stories that our millions and millions of listeners. Hannah. Have been sending us. Just so I'm gonna rattle through a few of them because we live in a. Just in case, you know, the mission had been lost over the years. Just in case you fuckers needed remind. It's a weird world, isn't it? We live in a fucking strange place. And not to want to come over all Esther Ransom on that life. That's a deep cut for you. Only the Brits are gonna get that one. I think sometimes it behooves us, well, to take stock and to look around at some of the fucking odd and weird and uncomfortable shit that is happening. So I'm gonna just run through a few of those now and I encourage you. I encourage you today to look around you at the people walking past. [00:04:00] Speaker B: There are many things to see if you. [00:04:04] Speaker A: If statistically. Right. Let me just tell you where my brain is at here. Earlier on today, I went to see Owen's school play. Right. It's the end of the school year. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Aw. [00:04:14] Speaker A: Oh, it was adorable. It was adorable. [00:04:17] Speaker B: What play was it? Did they make up their own? Or is it like a established play? [00:04:20] Speaker A: He played Scarecrow in the wizard of Oz. [00:04:23] Speaker B: So cute. [00:04:24] Speaker A: Yeah, and it was. And it fucking was. Right, Right. And this is his last year of primary school and on Friday is his last day of primary school. And there's what they have, what they call the leavers assembly, where the mums and dads go and cry, basically. They turn up at the school and cry and I'm gonna cry. [00:04:39] Speaker B: What's next? What comes after primary school? [00:04:42] Speaker A: Secondary school? So he will. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Is that like high school? [00:04:44] Speaker A: That is like high school. So he'll be in the same school as Pete from September. Anyway, to my point. [00:04:50] Speaker B: And that's where they go until they're done. Then they go to college. [00:04:52] Speaker A: That's where they go until they're done. Or they can stay on the sixth form if they want to do A levels, or they can also take those in college and then proceed to university. But what I'm saying is I don't. I've Come to suspect this is just something that I do myself. But whenever I'm in a room full of people, like hundreds of people, right, and there may be like a hundred mums and dads in the school hall today maybe. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Sure. [00:05:15] Speaker A: Less. Or if I'm in a theater or a cinema or a concert or something like that, my mind starts to think of statistics, right? Like, you know, 20 odd percent of these people will be dead by Christmas. [00:05:30] Speaker B: It's an insane number of people to be dead by Christmas. [00:05:33] Speaker A: You know, when the, when the numbers, when the numbers grow. [00:05:36] Speaker B: You're in like hospice or something. [00:05:39] Speaker A: No, I, but those are the kinds of things I think of. Like maybe, maybe there's a pedophile in here somewhere. Maybe there's a murder victim in. Not a murder victim because they'd be dead. Maybe there's a murderer or some kind of victim in here, you know? Sure, somebody here. That's what I think of the stats, I think of the sample size that I'm a part of and I think there's some fucking people with some weird shit going on in here. That's what I think of. And I encourage you listeners to do the same thing. It'll add a little tang to public gatherings forever for you. If you can just get into that habit of wondering what kind of statistical weird is happening in the room that you're in. It's very fun. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Sure. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Very fun. [00:06:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I, the, my dark version of that is sometimes when I'm at like a big show or something like that, I'll wonder how many people are going to get into a car accident on the way back. [00:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly that. Yep, yep, yep. That's, that's a good one. [00:06:35] Speaker B: There's like. Yeah, happens all the time. [00:06:38] Speaker A: That's a good one. [00:06:38] Speaker B: Lots of traffic coming out of a thing. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. So with a, with a view to kind of sharpening that sense of the, you know, the inner life and the weirdness and the fucking unusualness just of people and just of the world. I'm just gonna fucking bang on for a little bit here, right, Just to bring us in and to set the, set the fucking tone here. [00:07:01] Speaker B: I'm on board. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Good, good, good, good. So we had a guy today, 27 year old guy, pled guilty. Guy who worked at the post office, Royal Mail. A postman? Yeah, a postie. A postie. [00:07:17] Speaker B: A postie, yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Knock on your door. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Ah, got your letter here. [00:07:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Pushing your fucking T shirts and your drugs through the letter. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Is that Mark Lewis? [00:07:26] Speaker A: No, no, it's not Mark Lewis. I doubt he's a poster anymore. Guy by the name of Ewan Methven. Right. And he pled guilty to David Methven. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Is he Welsh? [00:07:37] Speaker A: No, he's Scottish, I believe. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:40] Speaker A: I'll tell you what else he is. He's a murderer. Admitted murdering. [00:07:45] Speaker B: All right. [00:07:46] Speaker A: And decapitating his girlfriend. [00:07:49] Speaker B: Oh, you're not supposed to do that. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, you're not. And that. You know what, that got me thinking, I find. He didn't just decapitate her, by the way. It feels like he had a good old go at dismembering her. [00:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. I mean, well, you do get those instances where like someone just decapitates someone. Like there was an incident like that on a bus I think in Canada or something like a decade ago. Oh, maybe more than that. I think I lived in Oregon at the time, so it's like 20 years ago. And you know, occasionally someone will like sever their parents head and like carry it around. Usually there's like. Yeah, it's like a psychotic break sort of thing. If you're just like casually dismembering, like cutting off someone's head. It seems like it's more like I'm trying to like get rid of the body. [00:08:38] Speaker A: There was that geezer on YouTube recently who in a live stream just produced his dad's dismembered head wrapped in cling film from the side of him. Did you see that? [00:08:46] Speaker B: No. I will hook you up to my. My point. [00:08:50] Speaker A: Just literally reaches off the wall. [00:08:51] Speaker B: He just did that on a YouTube. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Shows it off dad's dismembered head. See, dismemberment is such a powerful act, isn't it? [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? [00:09:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:06] Speaker A: It is such a statement of intent and of commitment. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Right. Because it's not easy to do, like you see in movies and stuff, like, oh, just shoomph. And it's off. But that's not how the human head actually works. [00:09:19] Speaker A: No, not at all. But this guy. So once again, do the motion. Stabbed his girlfriend 20 times. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. That's a mild amount of stabbing. Had a go at dismembering her and cut off her head and ah, man, am I gonna. Am I gonna out myself here? I don't know. But in the same way as. As you've got to really go through the process of imagining stabbing someone 20 times to really get into your head just how fucking crazy that shit is, I've also kind of walked through the act of dismembering a body. We've talked about it before. We've talked about it before. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Sure. Like, that's your murder method we've discovered, as we've discussed, I should say. [00:10:04] Speaker A: And I've really thought it through. Like, I've really thought about how. How dark it must get when you're mid. In the middle of something like that. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Right. Like, you have to be very, like, either, like completely disassociated or like, focused. It's like one or the other. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Yes. [00:10:22] Speaker B: If you're going to dismember a body. Yeah. [00:10:24] Speaker A: Powering through. I've. Yeah, it's. It's. It's something I've really, really thought through. I would do it in the bath. I would do it in my bathtub. And I would have. Do you. If I were to say like a rubble bucket or like a rubble bin, would you know what I meant? Like a really thick rubber, like, almost like a. Like a. Almost like a cylindrical bag with handles that builders use often to carry, like bits of rubble and concrete and whatever. [00:10:56] Speaker B: Are they white? It's like a bucket. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Nah, it's bucket shape. But these are rubber. These are plastic. Often blue or red. [00:11:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:02] Speaker A: And what I would do is I would work. The bath would be my main area of business. [00:11:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:10] Speaker A: And there I would have several of these buckets to transfer bits to as I worked. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Isn't that like. Was it Breaking Bad? They tried to do that and then the. The bathtub fell through the. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah, they were using. Yeah, they were using. I wouldn't use acid in the bath, though. Certainly not. And then when I'd add, the bath was empty and all the bits were in the buckets, I would then rinse the bath out and transfer the bits from the buckets back into the bath and start again, going smaller each time. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Okay. I'm assuming that's not what this guy did. [00:11:39] Speaker A: No, he didn't. He. I'm gonna. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:11:45] Speaker A: I'm gonna quote here from Sky News. I'm gonna quote from Sky News. He spent the weekend after mutilating her body and severing her head. He then spent the weekend driving her red Corsa, just a car, scrolling through her phone, searching for Internet pornography, as well as. As well as making several attempts to buy cocaine. So. [00:12:05] Speaker B: Jeez. So, like, was he high during the whole thing? Is it like a What's her face? Taylor Shabusiness. [00:12:11] Speaker A: They're just at a takeaway, so I guess not. But there we go. So that could be happening next time you go to see your Kids, school play. Somebody in the room could have been doing that the night before. [00:12:26] Speaker B: Crazy. Just. I mean, there just has to be something off there. Like you said, like, decapitating someone is not like a, like, casual act that you carry out. So it just feels like something had to have been wrong there. Not between the two of them, but something in that fellow's brain was not gristle. [00:12:50] Speaker A: And there's cartilage, you know, and there's rubbery kind of jugular vein and it takes a lot of sewing. [00:12:56] Speaker B: It's also like, when you hear of like even like just accidents and stuff like that, you always hear like, people are like, nearly decapitated. That's right. Internally decapitated or things like that. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Wait a minute, what's it called? It's called Difficult Atlantic Occipital dislocation. That's what it's called. [00:13:12] Speaker B: I don't know, but we really need to turn off your gestures on this thing. I'm spending half this conversation. [00:13:21] Speaker A: I'm never gonna turn my gestures off. Hey, it might have not escaped your attention that it's been hot. Have you? [00:13:29] Speaker B: It has been hot. It's hot in here right now. [00:13:32] Speaker A: So tear up all your clothes. Uh, it's been super hot in the uk. Been plagued with sleepless nights and sweaty knees. [00:13:40] Speaker B: And sweaty knees seems to be your biggest hang up. [00:13:43] Speaker A: It is actually something about me genetically. I'll have to ask my mum and dad if either of them get like, sweaty knees. [00:13:51] Speaker B: I've got some kind of like, disproportionately to the rest of your body. The rest of your body is like cold, chilling. And your knees, the back of your. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Knees, I mean, I'm all warm, but. But I notice it first at the back of my knees. I've got wet knees. Wet knees. Did I ever tell you I went to school with a girl who had unbelievable, like, unmanageable hand sweat? [00:14:16] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:14:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Like permanent. [00:14:19] Speaker B: Seems like something out of like a. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Comic sketch, like, dripping off her finger. When she would hold her hand up, sweat would be running down her fingers, dripping off her fucking hand to the point where she couldn't sit exams, she couldn't write in paper books because her fucking hands were fucking up the paper all the time. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Just all the time. [00:14:35] Speaker A: Permanently fucking sweaty hands. [00:14:38] Speaker B: That's bananas. I hope they figured that out by now. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Well, I seem to remember that one summer she went for surgery to have like something snipped some nerve or something or other. [00:14:50] Speaker B: Cut Interesting. Or like a. Yeah, maybe like some sort of weird glandular thing. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but she had to wear like mesh gloves. [00:15:01] Speaker B: What an interesting. Bodies are fascinating. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Permanently sweaty hands. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Yeah, just like. How does that happen? That's. I've never heard of such a thing. That's fascinating. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Incredible, isn't it? So again, next time you go to see a band, have a little think. Is there someone here whose hands are just sweating, who has decapitated their partner or who has the hand sweatshirt? Yeah, but I was going somewhere with that. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I figured. [00:15:31] Speaker A: So today the Met Office is the. The scientific body which is responsible for UK weather, climate predictions, weather reporting. Whenever you see the weather dude on the TV or the weather girl on the tv, it'll be UK Met Office. So they have said today that that's now kind of annually breaking heat records, increasing frequency of mad rain and floods, that it's air quotes, the new normal. Right? That it's. [00:16:05] Speaker B: Yay. [00:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah, completely. The uk, and I'm quoting BBC News here, the UK experiences a notably different climate to what it was even just a few decades ago. Right. Met Office have just published the State of the UK Climate Report. And in it they categorically point out that even from 20, 30 years ago, our climate has changed within our lifetimes. Right? [00:16:28] Speaker B: I mean, surely you've noticed, right? Like, I know that especially when I lived in California, because New Jersey, at least in the past few years, it's considered, it's certainly changing, but it's one of the least affected by climate change states in the United States. I don't know why, it's something to do with our climate or whatever, like where we're located and whatnot. But like in California, it was so stark that you could deeply see how huge, like the fact that there's like no rain anymore. How I talked about when I was in Santa Barbara, it went from like, when I moved there, there were frogs and by the time I left, there were no frogs. Things like that. [00:17:06] Speaker A: That's tragic. [00:17:07] Speaker B: Oh, it was the worst. [00:17:08] Speaker A: But it's. It's fucking up the season. Spring is starting earlier, autumn is shorter. You know what I mean? [00:17:14] Speaker B: It's just not autumn. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah, the best bit. [00:17:17] Speaker B: The best. But. [00:17:19] Speaker A: But I'm here to tell you that it's all gonna be okay. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Okay? [00:17:27] Speaker A: It's all gonna be fine. [00:17:30] Speaker B: Great. Why? [00:17:32] Speaker A: Because the UK has fucking funded to the tune of some 60 million quid, right? Through something known as the Advanced Research and Invention Agency, ARIA21 Geo fucking modeling projects to try and mitigate the effects of climate crisis by cooling the planet. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Using science like spraying shit into the atmosphere. And whatnot exactly this. [00:18:09] Speaker A: Right? [00:18:10] Speaker B: And we are, heaven forbid we just stop. Heaven forbid, burning fossil fuels and whatnot. [00:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah. No, don't worry. [00:18:16] Speaker B: No, no. So control the climate. [00:18:21] Speaker A: This 60 million is going to the technique you. [00:18:24] Speaker B: That does not feel like a lot of money. [00:18:26] Speaker A: These are small scale experiments, right? What you're talking about is something called SAI stratospheric aerosol injection. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Okay? [00:18:34] Speaker A: That's where you fucking boost reflective particles like sulfur into the atmosphere, into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight, okay? We're also talking about a procedure known as marine cloud brightening. So making mist out of algae and squirting out of clouds to make the clouds brighter or more reflective. Awesome. Space based reflectors. So putting fucking mirrors in space and. It's gonna be fine. We've sorted it. [00:19:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:09] Speaker A: We're just it. [00:19:10] Speaker B: No problems. Great. Thanks Britain. [00:19:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's all cool. And listen, I'll do one more. [00:19:18] Speaker B: Can I interrupt you with one before you do this And Hannah didn't send this one to us, but I sent this to you earlier in the week and you did not respond to it. And it's kind of bonkers. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Sounds about right. [00:19:33] Speaker B: Story of my life. Me sends really interesting thing to Mark. Mark non sequitur 48 hours later listen to this. Okay? A physical therapist died after a flash fire. After a flash fire broke out. You know what, here's what's really funny is the. When I sent you this, I think your response was my knees are sweating. So now no matter how many times I tried to tell you this story, you're going to change the subject. Go on to your knee pets. Power through Physical therapist died after a flash fire broke out inside an oxygen therapy machine at his Arizona medical facility on Wednesday, marking at least the second such fatality in the US this year. Dr. Walter Foxcroft, 43, was found dead dead inside the hyperbaric chamber by firefighters who responded to his office after report of a fire just before 11pm when the responders arrived, they found smoke billowing throughout the building and an intact hyperbaric chamber that appeared to have had a flash fire in the chamber with one patient inside. And if you're wondering hyperbaric chamber or what's he smoking? It's a sealed tube that is pressurized with pure oxygen and helps to treat various illnesses or wounds. Oxygen as we know. Fire likes it. Yeah, yeah. Fires into it. This is such a horrific type of death. They have no idea why he was there alone, what caused the flash fire or anything like that. But this guy basically in a tube of oxygen Just. [00:21:20] Speaker A: And he was, he was a therapist in his own hyperbaric chamber. That's interesting. [00:21:24] Speaker B: In his own. In his own office, Right? That's like serious. That's such like a horror movie thing to do in and of itself. Oh, I'm just gonna. Alone in my office, get into this hyperbaric chamber. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Let me ask you something. If you could pick any guest to have on Joag, who would you go for? They've got to be. They've got to be Joe. A Joagy kind of guest. You can't just be like, you know, fucking Martin Luther King or whatever. I don't fucking know. [00:21:56] Speaker B: You have. You've put me on the spot here. Well, I'll just go with who is the most recent person I'm thinking about because local. And he was down the street from my house the other day. Let's go with Patrick Wilson. Love to have Patrick Wilson on this show. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Oh, he'd be good, wouldn't he? [00:22:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, he'd be good. [00:22:15] Speaker A: I would either have Dasmotion. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be fun. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Or Brian Johnson, right? [00:22:24] Speaker B: Like the, the guy who like steals his kids blood and to try to get young. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Exactly him. Exactly him. Oh no, I would have him on you. [00:22:35] Speaker B: I think he would give me nightmares. [00:22:37] Speaker A: I'm looking at him right now. [00:22:39] Speaker B: He's terrifying, isn't he? If you've never seen Brian Johnson. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Smoothest guy. [00:22:44] Speaker B: It's the smoothest guy. But like the best thing is his whole. If you, if you don't know who this is, he is a very rich man who is doing the whole biohacking thing because he wants to live forever, essentially and he wants to look young as well. So he's done weird things, especially with his kid in terms of like transfusions of his, his teen son's blood and then like measuring his erections against his son erections. Weird fucking shit. He eats weird things, he exercises at weird times. Just he has no life except trying to prolong his life. But the kind of ironic element about this is in his quest to look young, he looks exactly the age he is, but just made of plastic. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah, he looks super smooth. And it's claimed that according to like his head doctor, his chief doctor, he has a biological age at least five years younger than his physical age, right? [00:23:52] Speaker B: Wow. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Fucking big whoop, mate. I've got a 2999 fucking body measurement scale I got from fucking Argos, right? And that tells me that I have the body of a 41 year old, right? And I, I'm not measuring my Erections. Well. [00:24:11] Speaker B: It'S really like, that is not impressive. Like if you eat really well and go for a run every day, you probably have like the. Yeah. A body five years younger than you are. Like, this is not. And like, what does that even mean at the end of the day? Because super healthy people like drop dead at 40 and whatnot. Like, I just don't understand what that measure even means. [00:24:36] Speaker A: It's arbitrary is what it is. [00:24:38] Speaker B: And it's so arbitrary and such a. Like. [00:24:40] Speaker A: And it didn't cost me 2 million each year. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Right. I always think this about people who are like very into any kind of health prolonging thing and stuff like that. Or that have a lot of money but like focus on being really thin and really like fit and stuff like that. Like literally the only reason to be alive is like eating good snacks. Yeah. The idea to me of just having all the money in the world and all you do with it is like, yeah, get up at 4am and work out and then eat like five leaves and a boiled chicken and like, you know, like, what. What are you living forever for? [00:25:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:25] Speaker B: What's the point of this? I just don't understand. [00:25:28] Speaker A: It's some Citizen Kane shit, isn't it? It's. What are you searching for, mate? What are you fucking right? What's the real problem here? [00:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, what is it you need to face down? What scares you? [00:25:39] Speaker A: Yes. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Is what I see here, right? Like as a person who. We've discussed this for the past five years on here, that like my reason for Christian and stuff like that, right. Like it was like fear of the unknown and the universe being too big and you know, death and what comes next and stuff like that. And like I've worked through that shit, you know, that's what these guys need to do. They need to like work through it. [00:26:06] Speaker A: Men will literally drink the blood of their own children. [00:26:11] Speaker B: But people talk about this too, and it was interesting. I was reading that Careless People book that I keep bringing up, which I. [00:26:19] Speaker A: Keep saying the same thing. I want to read it and I'm not gonna. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's an interesting book. You know, I have many critiques of the author of it, but. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Her descriptions of what went on and how these people think and everything just shows the kind of brain rot of being extremely wealthy. Yes, yes. You kind of understand this. She goes to. She's like, wants to quit meta or whatever. And Sheryl Sandberg is like, and then what? Like you're going to travel the world and eat all the food and do all of this and then you're going to get bored and you're going to come back here, right? And it's like that's the mindset. If you have unlimited everything, like if there is nothing stopping you from doing anything, it like completely. Their brains just like switch off and they don't know how to appreciate anything in life, including people. And they just start playing games with the rest of us because it's the only like form of joy they find in the world. [00:27:25] Speaker A: You've very adroitly summed up just what that is, what Alphabet is and what meta is and what X is. It's wealth. Seeing what they can make the people do, right? [00:27:40] Speaker B: Like trying to find something that will like ignite the tiniest spark in their lives by fucking with the rest of ours. Like all they can do is manipulate their little puppets by. Because nothing else in the world brings them joy or excitement in any way. Fascinating fucking bananas. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Very interesting, isn't it? In seemingly a step which pushes back against some of that though. Did you see what Denmark are on the brink of doing? [00:28:13] Speaker B: I did not. [00:28:13] Speaker A: I don't think Denmark is on the brink of allowing citizens copyright over their own faces and voices. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Ooh, that's excellent, isn't it? Yeah, that's great. [00:28:29] Speaker A: So covering specifically deep fakes, not so much Gen AI, but proposing to amend copyright laws so that you've got the rights to your face, voice and body. The culture minister is a guy by the name of Jakob Engelschmitt and he. [00:28:52] Speaker B: Says human beings dangerously close to John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith. [00:28:56] Speaker A: Very dangerously close, but different, you know, but not the same. Not related. As far as I know, human beings can be run through the digital copy machine and be misused for all sorts of purposes. And I'm not willing to accept that. How fucking good is that? [00:29:10] Speaker B: Love it. Very on board. [00:29:11] Speaker A: Yes. [00:29:12] Speaker B: I, I've wondered like what do we do about this? Because obviously like there's so everything that we do is a bit reactionary and it's like, okay, well there's revenge porn laws that they've tried to put in place and things like that, but that doesn't cover, you know, stealing Scarlett Johansson's voice for OpenAI or you know, whatever the rest of us are being. I think I've sold onto or like the. The guy who on there's like a Palestinian guy on Blue sky that some. He's, you know, asking for money for help because he's in a war zone and this other guy decided he's actually AI and was like Telling everyone, report him, report him. He's spam, he's AI and all that. And so a journalist went and talked to this guy. He's like, this is a real human being stuck in Gaza right now. And so, so the other guy doubled down and made a deepfake of him. Just some random Palestinian, not a famous person or anything like that, just some struggling starving guy. And this guy made a deepfake of him. And it's like, how do you combat that while having rights over our image and everything? [00:30:27] Speaker A: Forward thinking step. Well, maybe if it were five years ago it would be forward thinking, but again, it's reactionary. [00:30:33] Speaker B: It's still reactionary, but you know, it's something. [00:30:36] Speaker A: I'll put this out to our 9 million listeners, right? I, I think I've solved what to do about generative AI. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:44] Speaker A: And I know I sketched this out in a group chat some weeks back, but so outline for me. Let's just re. Run super briefly our discussion that we had just after I saw Late Night with the Devil. And I didn't instantly have any issues with. [00:31:04] Speaker B: You know, they're a little interstitial. [00:31:06] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Their title cards, let's say a picture of a skeleton. If I draw personally with my hands a picture of a skeleton, I'm basing that on pictures of skeletons I've seen before. Is that not what AI is doing? Right, right. [00:31:20] Speaker B: That was your assertion. [00:31:21] Speaker A: That was my assertion at the time. But what I'm not doing is taking work which other people have, you know, had earnings and attribution denied from and passing it off as something of my own and completely original. I'm not doing that, which AI is. So. [00:31:41] Speaker B: Right. [00:31:42] Speaker A: So, so, so, so if this wouldn't work, somebody tell me why it wouldn't work. And at the very least I think this is a good idea for a movie or an article or something like that. Okay? If AI if gen AI models are being trained on data sets from the Internet which are being used without the explicit permission of those involved, journalists, artists, photographers, filmmakers, you know what I'm saying? Creatives contributing to this pool of information and intellectual property, the gen AI is liberally helping itself to. Right, okay. Creative year of action whereby writers, artists, painters, photographers, filmmakers act, kind of organize and agreed to absolutely flood the Internet with the worst shit they could possibly make. Like, like 12 hour shifts, morning, noon and night, round the fucking clock, globally. Everybody at, at any given time is pumping out fucking lies and shit work and misinformation and disinformation and just poisoning the well. Of, of information basically fucking poisoning the Internet so that everything Gen AI learns from and draws from is unreliable and shit, thus making it a shit source. [00:33:28] Speaker B: I mean, two things about that. A, I have seen people doing stuff like that. Like, you know, people who have inserted nonsense into their posts and stuff like that, so that if something tried to emulate. Yeah, them it would come out with nonsense and stuff like that. But two, we don't really need to do that because it's already doing that. Right. Like, that's what one of the problems with Gen AI is, is the more that it's, you know, taking in all of this off the Internet, which is full of all over the place, of course, and then it is learning from itself as well. The shit that's coming out of AI is more and more unreliable as, you know, as time goes on. So, you know, as of right now, like, yeah, it can make images that, you know, in many ways look more realistic than before when it comes to writing and things like that. It. It's getting worse all the time. Answering basic questions, doing a math problem. It's bad at that. It's not good at getting those things done. So it doesn't really take a concerted effort by people to trash it. The problem is that consumers don't know the difference between garbage and not garbage. And that's more the problem than what it's actually, because it's very good what it's putting out. [00:34:49] Speaker A: It's very good at presenting you with content which at a first glance, reads, reads. Okay? And it seems like it makes sense. This will do, won't it? This will do. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:00] Speaker A: You know what? I'm coming across more and more evangelists. I'm coming across more and more fucking people who love this shit as well. [00:35:09] Speaker B: It feels like that's so crazy. I'm in. I finally left this group, but I was in a Libby group. It's a book app. I don't know if you have it over there, but it's. You can take library books out through this app called Libby, okay? Ebooks, audiobooks, all that stuff. And so I was in a group for Libby enthusiasts. And one of the things people regularly do is they go, hey, I'm trying to find this book that I remember from when I was a kid, you know, and groups like this have existed forever where people be like, oh, is it maybe this is it, maybe this? And that's part of the journey, right, of like people jumping in and like, I remember this and sharing their experiences and all that. But now every time someone Asks that in a book readers group. This is insane to me. The comments are all I asked Chat GPT, and it thinks it's this. I'm like, yeah, ChatGPT is fucking stealing these books in order to give that to you. Are you nuts? [00:36:06] Speaker A: Yes. [00:36:07] Speaker B: What is wrong with you? I. It's so crazy to me. Every time I see it in the wild, I'm like, what is wrong with you people? [00:36:15] Speaker A: Yeah, but I know. I mean that it does. It does feel as though in. I mean, it's. It's a tediously so. It's becoming tediously so. A consistent topic of conversation at work, and the question keeps getting asked. So how are we going to use AI here then? Surely, if you have to ask that, maybe don't. Yeah, if you have to ask that, then the tail is wagging. [00:36:38] Speaker B: You're trying to a little bit fit it in. Yeah. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Reverse engineer this. [00:36:46] Speaker B: The fact that people in a workplace are doing that and not realizing that they are just actively finding a way to get themselves paid less is insane to me too. Like, you think once your job figures out how to use AI for that, they're gonna keep paying you your wage to do that. They're gonna fire you and rehire you for half that money because you're just gonna be correcting AI from this point forward. [00:37:10] Speaker A: Yeah. But anyway, that's another topic, and I don't like to talk about it. Look, point is, this is not a serious planet anymore. [00:37:22] Speaker B: No, it is. It is. [00:37:24] Speaker A: This is not a fucking serious world to the degree that it's become a very serious issue. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Mm. [00:37:35] Speaker A: Things are getting stupider by the day. And it's getting hotter and hotter. My knees are getting wetter and wetter seemingly by the hour. It's a fucking wet knee, decapitated AI fucking nightmare. And we're here for it. And we're here for you, all nine million of you. [00:37:51] Speaker B: So hop in the hyperbaric chamber, folks. Let's do this. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Smoke up a dart in the hyperbaric chamber, and let's spread our fucking giblets over that glass together. Let me quote directly from my notes, if I may. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Yes, please do. [00:38:08] Speaker A: Fucking look at these nerds. Oh, mise en scene. [00:38:11] Speaker B: I don't think anyone has ever said mise en scene in such a horny way before. [00:38:15] Speaker A: The way I whispered the word sex. [00:38:17] Speaker B: Cannibal received worst comes to worst. Mark, I'm willing to guillotine you for science. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Thank you. That's really, really sweet. It's cold outside, but my pancreas is talking to me. I'M fucking. I'm going to leg it. [00:38:28] Speaker B: You know how I feel about that, Mark? [00:38:30] Speaker A: I think you feel great about it. [00:38:36] Speaker B: All right. You want to take us in, you weirdo? [00:38:38] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Listen, bit of good news from me today. [00:38:44] Speaker B: Love. Good news. [00:38:46] Speaker A: I got an extra life. Right. So I haven't shared this on the cast. I don't think I've told you either, but I got caught speeding again, Right. Some months ago. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Oh, you did tell me that. [00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I got caught speeding again and it was 47 in a 40 right off. Right. [00:39:02] Speaker B: I mean, it's. That's a little much, but like, it. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Is annoying and I, I'm doing a bit. I felt ridiculous. I was banged to rights. I was driving home from Wales, variable speed limit, and they got me 47 and a 40. And this, this was gonna take me up to 12 points on my license, which, which is. Well, which is a six month ban is what it is. [00:39:28] Speaker B: Yeah, not great. [00:39:29] Speaker A: Not great. But do you know what happened today? [00:39:34] Speaker B: What happened? [00:39:34] Speaker A: They've emailed me, they've offered me the course. Oh, yeah? [00:39:38] Speaker B: Yeah. They're like, seven miles is a lot to take a dude's license. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Get in. They've offered me the course. [00:39:46] Speaker B: So beautiful. Thank goodness. [00:39:48] Speaker A: And I can do it on Zoom. So I got another go. Yeah. [00:39:53] Speaker B: So if you do the course, does it take points off? So of your. [00:39:58] Speaker A: When you get offered the course, you have the choice to either accept the course and do the course or to accept the prosecution and the fine and the points on your license. [00:40:07] Speaker B: Okay, got it. So you. Will you get those how? Three. How many? [00:40:12] Speaker A: Three points. Speeding is three points and if I do the course, I don't get the points. So this time. [00:40:19] Speaker B: Beautiful. [00:40:20] Speaker A: I. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Is it the same course that you've already taken? [00:40:23] Speaker A: I think it probably is. I've done two. [00:40:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:26] Speaker A: But if they're, if they, if they're spaced far enough apart, then they'll let you redo the course. And I think I might, I think I might have just scraped it. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Nice. [00:40:35] Speaker A: Just absolutely squeaked in. [00:40:38] Speaker B: It's. What's frustrating is in the uk, like, largely speeding is caught by like camera. Right? [00:40:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:46] Speaker B: It's not. Nobody's pulling you over? [00:40:49] Speaker A: Oh, no, certainly not. Well, very rarely. I mean, one of my favorite shows that I watched a little bit earlier on, in fact on Channel 5, is traffic cops. I love provincial traffic police procedural documentaries. I love them. And then, you know, you'll get a idiot copper doing a little interview. Oh, yeah. Saw the guy was doing. He clocked him doing 65 in a, in a 60. So I thought, oh, I'm not having that, mate, I'm gonna. And then, you know, footage of him. Do you know how fast you were going, mate? You know, you know, hurry, you know, hurry. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Are you. This is, this is what all hotel television is in the uk. Everything is like airport cop, traffic cop. Like this is all that's on Jamie. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Theakston on the Boyfriend. That and Dave, Officer shithead is doing a maneuver. He's gonna go, go, go. He's gonna box him in. Great copper at work there. Hell. And it's all very masturbatory and self congratulatory and fucking. Aren't the police brilliant? Do what the police say. And I love it. It's such entertaining viewing. And I went home and slept great that night knowing that there was another dangerous driver off the roads of the. [00:42:07] Speaker B: Kind of television you get when you don't have guns in your country. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Yes. So yeah, you do get. You do get chased down, I guess, occasionally. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah, if. But if. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Channel 5 for the most series of traffic cops in your town. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Right. But for the most part, what's frustrating is that it's largely camera, which is not usually a thing here. We don't really have that. If you get a ticket, it's because you. You got pulled over by someone, which means like, you know, you kind of get used. Like speed limits are very slow. So we all know you can go, you know, 10 miles more or something like that, but if there's a camera, then it doesn't matter if the conditions are safe or anything like that. You know, it's just. Is what it is. [00:42:57] Speaker A: Speed limits do feel very slow when you're consciously trying to obey them. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. [00:43:03] Speaker A: And you know what? I. [00:43:03] Speaker B: It's like you gotta set the cruise control or whatever. [00:43:07] Speaker A: I did start doing that and in my defense, Milad, I did. I looked at the kind of the. My rap sheet and I clearly had something going on in like 2022 and 2023, because you know, bang, bang, couple of people finds in quick succession. 2024. Nothing. Yeah, nothing. Right. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah. We were talking about. You're like, I'm a changed man. [00:43:33] Speaker A: Exactly. And I was really fucking trying. I was trying my best and they got me on the way home. I was driving home from a funeral, for fuck's sake. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Right. And if you were talking to a cop, you might have been able to, you know, show a little titty, get a couple tears out, you know, I'm sorry, but yeah, can't do that with a camera. [00:43:56] Speaker A: But hey, Happy ending. Marco lives to fucking drive another day. [00:44:00] Speaker B: I'm very glad to hear that. [00:44:01] Speaker A: True. You, Me both. Honestly, I was feeling like a piece of shit this morning, but then I got that email. I was like, friends. [00:44:18] Speaker B: We're a little loopy over here. It's hot. It's summer. [00:44:21] Speaker A: I'm constantly having to readjust myself. [00:44:24] Speaker B: I know. Yeah, this is. Mark is a mess right now. [00:44:27] Speaker A: Fucking puddle of my own. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Maybe they can snip some. Whatever they did to that girl, maybe they can do it to the back of your knees. But we, you know, we were talking about it. We realized last summer, we realized that summer is a very busy time of year. The kids are home, you know, things are going on all the time and it's a good time to just do more chill Joe Ags than we do the rest of the year. You know, don't put so much pressure on. We don't have as much time, but we do like to hang out and talk and talk to you guys and so, you know, this is one of those very chill sorts of Joe Ags. The week after I gave you an hour and a half on concentration camps. [00:45:12] Speaker A: Hey, we do what we want. We do what we fucking want. [00:45:14] Speaker B: We do what we want. [00:45:15] Speaker A: The week before that it was a 14 year old child. [00:45:19] Speaker B: That's true. So we're all over the place. But that's what summer is like. [00:45:24] Speaker A: That's what keeps people coming back from the joags. I cannot. [00:45:26] Speaker B: Yeah, because you never know what you're gonna get. [00:45:27] Speaker A: I can't tell you how much Laura and I are gonna cry on Friday. There's gonna be so much crying for Owen. [00:45:36] Speaker B: Moving on up, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Man, I nearly went. [00:45:41] Speaker B: You're both criers. [00:45:42] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. I. I nearly went. [00:45:44] Speaker B: It's a dangerous combination because. [00:45:46] Speaker A: Yeah. What was I crying about the other day? [00:45:48] Speaker B: Each other. [00:45:49] Speaker A: Oh, Adam Cole. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Adam Cole. Well, come on. If you're. If anyone listen. Listening to this. As an AEW fan and watched the pay per view this past week, just devastating semi news. We don't know exactly what happened, but that Adam Cole may or may not have to retire from AEW due to health issues. [00:46:09] Speaker A: All the speculation is concussion. [00:46:13] Speaker B: You think that's it? [00:46:14] Speaker A: A lot of the speculation is. I mean, he was out for a long time with concussion before. [00:46:18] Speaker B: I mean, obviously that's terrible, but I'm surprised that it's like so bad that like. Well, that could be a forever thing. [00:46:24] Speaker A: I'm. I'm certain someone will fact check me on this, but the Way I've seen it described is that when you have a significant concussion, the membrane protecting your brain never quite heals up properly. So you're always going to be vulnerable to further concussions again. And I. Yeah, a lot of speculation is that's what's going on with him. You just can't take bumps anymore. [00:46:51] Speaker B: Right. Basically, they're trying to prevent him from getting cte. Like the wrestlers and football players of. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Times past do it a Benoit on a live stream. [00:47:00] Speaker B: Exactly. Which. And you know what, if that's the case, I hope that that's the case because it's like, best case scenario, doesn't have like cancer drugs, right? Yeah, exactly. But it did. I mean, everyone was an absolute disaster watching this. I was sobbing my eyes out. My friend Will was at the stadium and he was like, not a dry eye in the place. Yeah, you know, it was, it was pretty devastating. [00:47:24] Speaker A: And that was the exact moment that Laura chose to walk into the living room and check out what I was watching. I'm just watching a bloke alone in a wrestling ring and I'm like crying while the camera cuts to like large bodied bearded men in the crowd just bawling their fucking eyes out. Just looked at me, look at the tv. Oh, she walked out. [00:47:47] Speaker B: Catch you later. I know. I went downstairs and tried to tell Kyo about it, but then I was like, yeah, getting Missy. I was like, I'll talk about later. But yeah, I just got. [00:47:58] Speaker A: I think you said a. I'm an empathetic crier. I, I exactly. I get the onions when, when I see, I see other people. So. Yes, it's gonna be Niagara Falls on Friday. Letalia. [00:48:13] Speaker B: Oh boy. [00:48:13] Speaker A: Niagara Falls. Name the film, name the movie. [00:48:17] Speaker B: I don't, I don't know. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Niagara Falls. [00:48:22] Speaker B: Someone in a New York accent saying Niagara Falls. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Which is in New York is not particularly referring to. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Referring to crying Niagara Falls. I'm gonna leave that to the Joag universe. [00:48:35] Speaker B: Oh, good Lord. Okay. [00:48:36] Speaker A: It's a seasonal movie. [00:48:39] Speaker B: I've got. Trying to hold it up to you, but like do the influencer thing. That almost works. You can at least see there's a flashing red triangle there. If you can't read it. Flash flood warning just came through my phone until 7:30pm this is a dangerous and life threatening situation. [00:48:59] Speaker A: Well, fuck it out. How many people died in Texas? [00:49:02] Speaker B: Well, yeah, a hundred and something. That is not likely to happen here. It's more likely. I mean, people do die for sure. Every time there's a flash flood situation. There was one A week or two ago and a couple people died. But it's more likely to do property damage, like what happened to my basement a few years ago. Since then, Kyo has dug a French drain and whatnot and hopefully won't happen again. But every time, you know, something like this happens, I'm like, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Our thoughts are with you. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Tots and pears. But if people can hear the thunder rolling. That's been going for, like, the past 15 minutes. Yeah. Pretty stormy over here around these. [00:49:49] Speaker A: I thought you'd be able to name that film straight away. [00:49:53] Speaker B: I'm sure that I know. [00:49:56] Speaker A: Would you like to hear the clip again? [00:49:58] Speaker B: Play it back. Play it back. [00:50:00] Speaker A: Niagara Falls. [00:50:04] Speaker B: I don't got it. I don't got it. [00:50:06] Speaker A: Somebody's gonna get it. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Friends? I'll ask you afterwards. But so I figure, is it Scrooged? [00:50:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:16] Speaker B: Oh, no, I wasn't gonna get that. I've seen Scrooged a bajillion times, but I was not gonna get that. That line. Particularly someone else. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Niagara Falls. It's the. The. I think it's the ghost of, like. And he's like a cabby and he smokes a cigar. [00:50:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, the Buster Poindexter one. [00:50:33] Speaker A: If you say so. [00:50:35] Speaker B: Right. Isn't that. Yeah. He's the cabby in that. [00:50:37] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [00:50:40] Speaker B: Someone asked, like, on Blue sky the other day, what is the most obscure quote that you say on a regular basis? And it's always something like that where it's, like, to me, that really stood out in this movie. Nobody else thought that that was, you know, particularly remarkable. Wine delivery or whatever. [00:51:03] Speaker A: Mine. One of. I've got many. All of them seem to come from Chris Morris. But whenever I finish. Whenever I finished saying anything to a room full of people, whenever I've got, like, some bits I need to say and I've finished, I will generally end with, and that's all the weather, which is a Chris Marslide sounds like. [00:51:21] Speaker B: You know, I think nobody would question. Because it just sounds like the end. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Of a weather report, which I enjoy because it's just. It's just. [00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah. You were secretly making a reference. Yeah. I have bajillions so many of them that it's hard to, like, fully count. I think one of the things that comes to mind is if I like the colors of something or something is particularly colorful. I'll go. The colors, Duke. The colors. Which is from, like, a commercial for, like, popsicles in, like, 1993. [00:51:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:57] Speaker B: That. Yeah. Has this kid is like licking a Popsicle. He's like, the colors, Duke, the colors. And then the dog looks up because Duke is the dog. And he goes, I'm colorblind, kid. [00:52:09] Speaker A: This sounds good. [00:52:10] Speaker B: This has stuck with me for 30 years and nobody else. No one ever knows what I'm talking about. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Another one, another favorite of mine is Fry Me up an Onion, Mama. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Now you're just making shit up. There's no way that's. [00:52:25] Speaker A: Name the movie. Fry Me up an Onion, Mama. [00:52:31] Speaker B: No idea what that is. What is that? [00:52:34] Speaker A: Somebody will know. One of our 9 million listeners. Do you want to do anything? It's like a kid, but he's dressed. [00:52:43] Speaker B: It's a kid. [00:52:43] Speaker A: It's a kid, but he's dressed like an old man. Fry me up an onion, Mama. [00:52:50] Speaker B: So it's. Is it, like, Southern now? It sounds Southern. [00:52:53] Speaker A: I don't know. I've only seen it once. [00:52:54] Speaker B: Okay, okay. It's gonna be like, turn out you're completely misquoting it, too. I saw this once, and it's. He does. That's not what he says. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Just Google it. It'll be straight away. You'll be like, oh, yeah. Frankly, I have an only Mama. Like. Like it. Sure, Google it now. In fact. [00:53:16] Speaker B: You could just tell me. You know, that's an option. [00:53:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that would. What's the point if I just tell you? You know, anybody listening who knows where that quote comes from? I'll do it one more time. Fry me up an onion, Mama. [00:53:30] Speaker B: I have how to fry onions perfectly in store for months. Crispy onion fritters. Level up your. It's just not. The Google machine doesn't work this way anymore. You can't just look things up the way that you used to. [00:53:48] Speaker A: All right, should we proceed? [00:53:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Should we move along? [00:53:53] Speaker B: You are for sure making this up, aren't you? [00:53:56] Speaker A: Yes, I am. Guilty. [00:54:04] Speaker B: You doofus. Mark Lewis. Good grief. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Guilty. [00:54:12] Speaker B: I'm too sweaty for this, sir. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Oh, that was Lethal Weapon 3. [00:54:16] Speaker B: I think it's good. You. You got it. It's from that movie we watched yesterday. So we're gonna talk a bit about what we watched, and then this week, I've picked out a few horror movie quizzes that I figure I'll administer. Some that I know the answers to, some I don't, and we'll talk about them. We'll talk through it. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Nice, nice, nice. Love this. I love a quiz. [00:54:43] Speaker B: I know you do. [00:54:44] Speaker A: I really like. I really do. [00:54:47] Speaker B: We share this passion. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Because even if. Even if I don't know the answer, even If I get wrong, it's the chance to learn and then instantly forget something new, isn't it? [00:54:58] Speaker B: See it. I feel like it depends on the circumstance. A lot of times, if I get something wrong, I'm so upset with myself that I will remember for the rest of my life and just hope for a chance to get to answer that question again. Well, I hope it comes up. [00:55:10] Speaker A: When I appeared on Popmaster with Ken Bruce on BBC Radio 2 some maybe four or five years ago, and one my round of the quiz. So I did win. Technically, I won. I won the quiz, but then I got through to the 3 and 10 round and was given ELO, right? And I could only name one ELO song in 10 seconds. And I was furious with myself. Absolutely furious. Oh, it was really fucking bad. But if you were to say to me right now, mark, you got 10 seconds to name three yellow songs, you couldn't. I would be only able to name that same song. I've learned. [00:55:49] Speaker B: What was the one you said? [00:55:50] Speaker A: Mr. Blue Sky. And I've learned no other Yellow. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Sweet Talking Woman. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And I know. I know all of these songs, but they just. They did not come to mind. [00:56:01] Speaker B: That is tough. That is very tough. Well, Marco, what have you watched this week? [00:56:08] Speaker A: Now I can't talk about one of them, can I? [00:56:12] Speaker B: You're not supposed to say it. I was intentionally like. We're not gonna bring it up. [00:56:17] Speaker A: Fine. [00:56:18] Speaker B: Just. Marco. Marco watched a movie made by someone that I don't feel that we should promote on this Fine podcast. [00:56:25] Speaker A: Okay. Can I. Can I talk about any of the performers in it? [00:56:32] Speaker B: Not if you're gonna talk about the movie, Right. [00:56:35] Speaker A: What if I just say then that Jack Nicholson. [00:56:40] Speaker B: The idea is we don't want anyone to watch the movie. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Right? Well, in which case, all I'll say is that during the 70s, I think Jack Nicholson was probably the most beautiful, charismatic, and fucking magnetic performer ever on a screen. He was fucking incredible. [00:56:57] Speaker B: I just watched One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. [00:56:59] Speaker A: There you go. Am I wrong? [00:57:01] Speaker B: There. There's the connection right there. I was actually thinking, watching One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, that he. He's so charismatic and interesting to watch and whatnot. And I think, like, coming at, you know, being born in the 80s and knowing him through the 90s stuff, knowing him as the Joker, knowing him from the Shining, things like that. Like, in my brain, I think of him as, like, creepy, right? And then I think, like, when you look back at something like this, you're like, I'm sure people like, did not see him that way. You know, it's hard for me to divorce later Jack Nicholson from that. But then you watch something like this and you would just see like a handsome, charismatic guy. Just drew your whole attention to the screen. [00:57:47] Speaker A: I. It's very difficult to quantify. It's something about his. It's something about the way he fucking moves. It's something about what he did, how he uses his fucking hands to his face. It's something about it. Face is something about how he's such a fucking prick as well all the fucking time in everything he does. [00:58:10] Speaker B: Yeah, true. [00:58:10] Speaker A: But ah man, he's fucking great. [00:58:15] Speaker B: Yeah, agreed. [00:58:18] Speaker A: It would. This was, this one was a revelation because you know, like you've said Jack Nicholson, Witches of Eastwick, you know. [00:58:27] Speaker B: Sure, yeah. [00:58:28] Speaker A: And again, Joker and the Departed. And you just think, all right, that's, that's Jack Nixon. But there was an entire Jack Nicholson before we were even born. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Exactly. This. He was a whole other guy. We only got 50s plus Jack Nicholson in our lifetime. And he was doing all kinds of other stuff before that. [00:58:48] Speaker A: So. Good. Like in this particular movie he. No, I can't. All right, I won't. [00:58:54] Speaker B: Yeah, leave it. [00:58:55] Speaker A: Yep, moved on. [00:58:57] Speaker B: What else did you watch? [00:58:59] Speaker A: Right. I will talk a little about a sci fi kind of puzzle box of a fucking head scratcher of a lo fi low budget, almost just two cast members. Very interesting. Sci fi called Things Will Be Different. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:17] Speaker A: It's a movie you've heard of or not? [00:59:19] Speaker B: I don't think so. No. [00:59:21] Speaker A: Quite highly rated, quite highly regarded from last year. And what we have here, Let me think. How can I vibe contextualize this? Maybe you're in the ballpark of something like Triangle. [00:59:38] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Maybe you're in the ballpark of something like primer or something like they look like people or. What was that one we saw recently where there were loads of people at a cabin having a picnic and the kids went all fucky. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I can't remember what it was. [00:59:54] Speaker A: Something's Wrong with the Children, I think it was called. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it. [00:59:58] Speaker A: So you're in that kind of lo fi, low budget zone, right. And what you have is you have a brother and sister who are on the lam, have been estranged for some years and are escaping the law after a robbery. They have rifles on their backs and two duffel bags full of cash. They've got like 7 million and it's the. The most of the entire movie is literally just these two people and the one brother has a. Has a fucking getaway plan that he's worked on and built and devised whereby they go to an abandoned house and they go into the basement and the basement takes them not just back in time, but seemingly to a different fucking, like a bubble universe. [01:00:39] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:40] Speaker A: And there's, you know, timeline fuckery where they're communicating with other times through tape recordings that they leave behind and pick up in, like, a dead drop. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:00:50] Speaker A: And it is, it is very, very, very interesting indeed. It is a big swing of a film. It's. [01:00:55] Speaker B: Sure. [01:00:56] Speaker A: It's one of those movies that. All right, all right, maybe we have only got like 80 quid to make this film. That doesn't stop me having huge ideas and trying to make them, Trying to spell them out using these two people in this one building that we've got. I don't give a fuck. Let's fucking give it a go. And sure, it's very confusing and I didn't understand what was happening. I think that was probably on me. [01:01:22] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:23] Speaker A: You know, that was probably my fault for not paying attention. I think I was texting. [01:01:29] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Yeah. But, you know, not one of those multitasking movies. [01:01:33] Speaker A: Certainly not. I'm being quite flippant there because I really did try to understand this film and I didn't. [01:01:39] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:39] Speaker A: But it's, it's. It's really good. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:45] Speaker A: You know, all of those examples I mentioned are also gripping fucking movies, you know? [01:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:52] Speaker A: You. You don't need a fucking, you know, a four minute long section in your credits for your CGI department. [01:01:59] Speaker B: Right. [01:02:00] Speaker A: To put an idea into your screenplay. I love that and I will always love that. Very, very strong performances. Really unsettling. Really fucking puzzling and twisty and turny. I could, I could, I could. I couldn't even manage to give it three stars, though, somehow. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Good Lord. [01:02:17] Speaker A: I couldn't even manage to give it three stars. I gave it two and a half stars. [01:02:20] Speaker B: That's surprising to me because you're. You're such a. You rate high for big swings. [01:02:25] Speaker A: I do, don't I? [01:02:27] Speaker B: Mm. Things will be different. Didn't. [01:02:30] Speaker A: No. [01:02:31] Speaker B: Okay. [01:02:34] Speaker A: Do you know, I've got a. I've got a. I've got to change that because I gave Jura. I gave it the same score as Jurassic World Rebirth, and I can't have that. It was better than that. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Okay. [01:02:44] Speaker A: It was better than that. [01:02:46] Speaker B: That seems fair. [01:02:50] Speaker A: What about you? See anything good? [01:02:53] Speaker B: Well, let's see. I watched Sinners for the fifth time, but I had bought the Blu Ray. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Wonderful. [01:03:03] Speaker B: So nice edition. Yes. And it's like the 4K one, which I don't have a 4K TV and the only DVD player in my house that I can use it on is my PlayStation 5. I put it into the living room and it was like, what is this? I was like, oh, right, this is not gonna work. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Smoke starts coming out of it. [01:03:25] Speaker B: But. So I watched all the special features on that. There's like an hour and change of special features on there. Behind the scenes stuff, you know, making of the music of all that stuff. And it was a blast to watch. Absolutely loved it. So I highly recommend getting the Blu ray of sinners to anyone who enjoyed that movie because there is so. I mean, it's wild to watch those behind the scenes things because you like think that there's two Michael B. Jordans in that movie and then when there's only one in all the behind the scenes stuff, you're like, fucking hell, this is crazy. And I show you. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you get like on set, everything kind of how they blocked out the fucking cinematography and the camera movements and whatever, right? [01:04:12] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. And the guy, you know, he has a stand in. [01:04:15] Speaker A: There's a guy with a green mask on. [01:04:17] Speaker B: Whichever opposite. He doesn't even have a mask. Because essentially they created their own. They do not call it AI because they're not trying to connect it to all that bullshit, but their own machine learning thing through a European company that's trained on Michael B. Jordan, not trained on a whole bunch of other things. So they had all these incredible. [01:04:40] Speaker A: Trained on Michael B. Jordan. But he knows about it. [01:04:43] Speaker B: Yes, he knows about this. They. They set up these rigs that were like 360 reaction rigs and stuff like that so they could get all of the angles of the way that he responds to everything and stuff like that. Sent thousands and thousands of images and videos to this studio that then was able to train their, you know, machine learning thing on his face and put that over the guy who is actually. [01:05:11] Speaker A: The coolest thing about all that is within fucking 10 minutes of the film beginning, all of that stuff vanishes. All of that fucking wood is completely. [01:05:22] Speaker B: Beginning to think about it. [01:05:23] Speaker A: Invisible. [01:05:24] Speaker B: Mm. [01:05:25] Speaker A: That is sick. [01:05:26] Speaker B: It's incredible. Yeah. [01:05:28] Speaker A: All that work and planning and technology just is visible in the film. [01:05:33] Speaker B: Like the, the roof being on fire in that. [01:05:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:37] Speaker B: Practical. They act. Actually burned a barn to get that shot and stuff like that. There's so much they'd go through. The guy, you're gonna love this. The guy who did the makeup for it, you know, and all the special effects make up. It's the same guy who did the green room effects, which famously are insane. Right? Like Anton Yelchin's arm, you know, getting hacked nearly off and stuff like that. Same guy does the effects for Sinners. So you get to see like Kornbread's face all blown open and all these things. And how they did it. The contact lenses that glow fully practical. That's not an effect. [01:06:15] Speaker A: I would not wear radium contact lenses. [01:06:19] Speaker B: They're not radium, they're just painted. They are hand painted, but it's the first time that this has been used. The actors can't see while they're wearing them. They're just fully covering their whole eyes. But yeah, there's just so much cool stuff in the Sinner's special features. So I definitely just go to your library and take it out if you don't want to like buy it. Your library will certainly have it long. [01:06:42] Speaker A: Me special features laden Blu Ray editions exist. I love you always used to know when you were buying a shit dvd when you would look at the back, you'd look at the special features and amongst the special features it would. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Scene selections. [01:06:58] Speaker A: Exactly. Animated menus. Haven't spent a lot of time on. [01:07:04] Speaker B: This release then actually probably have on my doorstep right now. Hopefully not getting soaked my the monkey Blu Ray. And I'm watching those special features as well. That one's apparently got like two hours of special features on it. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Very nice. I, I know. [01:07:20] Speaker B: Stoked on that. [01:07:20] Speaker A: I noted this week that Michael Rooker is appearing at a con in Cardiff in October. [01:07:28] Speaker B: Nice. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Or is it September? There's literally nobody else there that I give a shit about. But I would like my Henry Blu Ray signed. It's a lovely, it's a lovely, lovely, lovely Arrow edition and it's there on my shelf next to my Robocop and I love a signature on that. [01:07:46] Speaker B: And everybody says Rooker's pretty chill. So. Yeah, pretty cool guy to meet. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. And I, I think he might be quite pleased to get some Henry foot traffic. [01:07:57] Speaker B: I'm sure he gets plenty of it. There's a lot of weirdos out there. [01:08:00] Speaker A: Fair play. Yeah. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Obviously watched. I still know what you did last summer this week so that we could talk about it on the Fan Caves. So if you are a KO Fi subscriber, go and check that out. Kristen and I talked about. I still know and I gave a. You know, my background this month was on the history of the sequel. So you can learn a bit about, you know, how sequels came about from the Gutenberg Bible to. I Still know what you did last summer. Trace that trajectory. We had a fun time with it, and I always. I Still Know what yout Did Last Summer is like one of my favorite stupid movies of all time. I have such a blast every single time I watch it. So you can hear Kristen and I rave about how much we love that. [01:08:49] Speaker A: She enjoyed it too. [01:08:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, Definitely. Yeah. It's so much fun and a gorgeous cast we rave about the entire time. It's just delightful, wonderful. And the only other thing besides what we watched together that I watched was Reservoir Dogs. So last week I revisited Sin City, and I was like, that was not as good as I remembered it being. And I did the same thing with Reservoir Dogs this week where I was like, oh, that's not as good as I remember. [01:09:21] Speaker A: Oh, did you. [01:09:21] Speaker B: Being, yeah, did not. Did not work for me as an adult as much as it did when I was a kid. There's still. Obviously, you know, the performances in it are great. Even the story, you know, I like and all that kind of stuff, but it just. It's just too Tarantino, and I am too old to be entertained by a bunch of guys saying what Tarantino really feels about black people and women in a movie. [01:09:48] Speaker A: I hear that loud and clear. Yes. [01:09:51] Speaker B: It's just. [01:09:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's. It's the ensemble that I love in that movie. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. I mean, like, come on, all of those people are fantastic. You know, it is very much just always the case that it's like, there's no separating the art from the artist with Tarantino, because everything's in his voice. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Yes. [01:10:12] Speaker B: You know, and so, you know, I gave it a three star. I didn't, like, trash this one. It just wasn't my tolerance for the viewpoints displayed. And the language used in that movie has greatly diminished since 2004. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Yep, yep, yep. I hear all of that. [01:10:36] Speaker B: But we did get to watch a movie together this week. [01:10:38] Speaker A: We did. I'll just super briefly talk about Karate Kid Legends. You know, I'm not gonna fuck in. We're not gonna do an entire cast on this one. But in. In the same way that sinners kind of deftly and, you know, with all of the magic and sleight of hand of technology, Res, you know, brings you to Michael B. Jordan's where before there was only one. This. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Right. [01:11:08] Speaker A: There's a kind of a couple of minutes at the beginning of Karate Kid Legends where they've got Pat Morita talking new dialogue. Right. Mr. Miyagi. They've generated new dialogue from Mr. Miyagi. And it sounds like a tick tock, man. It's terrible. Oh. [01:11:29] Speaker B: Oh, God. [01:11:30] Speaker A: So. And the film is bunk as well. It's it. Right. Beat for our fe with Karate Kids. [01:11:39] Speaker B: How. What? [01:11:39] Speaker A: O fay. Familiar French. [01:11:43] Speaker B: Oh, okay, gotcha. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Right. This, this, this movie, Beat for beat recreates every single one of the other films. It is identical. Kid leaves his hometown, goes to school, visitors, There's a karate tournament. [01:11:59] Speaker B: It's one of those franchises that does not tread a lot of new ground. [01:12:03] Speaker A: Terrible. [01:12:04] Speaker B: Like maybe the, you know, the show or whatever, it has a little bit more going on in it. But like, the movies seem to have. [01:12:11] Speaker A: One arc super formulaic. And I only watched it because I wanted to see it. And the show was so good. It's incredible show. [01:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:21] Speaker A: What a strange franchise. Like, the show was so good, but Karate Kid Legends is not. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna guess because the show is like a passion project that happened to hit bigger than they thought it possible. That's why the show is good. And the movies, which are cash grabs, are not good. [01:12:47] Speaker A: I. You tried watching it, didn't you? You started Cobra Kai. [01:12:51] Speaker B: Yeah, and you know, I didn't like it when I initially started watching it like six or seven years ago or whatever. And then when you started rewatching it, I was like, I'll give it another go if you like it this much. And I watched the whole first season and quite enjoyed it. And then I watched like two or three episodes of the second season and then forgot I was watching it. [01:13:08] Speaker A: Dude, when. When it occurs to you, do try and go back. Because it's so fucking strange and weird and fun. It's such a curious, fucking lovable program. It's great. What, What a show. [01:13:20] Speaker B: But not the movie. [01:13:21] Speaker A: But not the movie. [01:13:22] Speaker B: Recommending the movie. [01:13:23] Speaker A: Shit on toast. Joshua Jackson. Why? Paying the rent. [01:13:28] Speaker B: Wait, Joshua Jackson's in it? Yeah. [01:13:30] Speaker A: Pacey. Fucking Peter. O'. [01:13:32] Speaker B: I know, I know. [01:13:33] Speaker A: Who. I'm just saying, One of our nine million listeners might not. He's in it. [01:13:39] Speaker B: Dr. Odyssey. Yeah. [01:13:41] Speaker A: Yes, doing. Taking a valiant stab at a New York accent, which he maintains for a good third of the film. He does better than Attenborough did in Jurassic park, which, having seen that recently, we all family watched the first Jurassic Park a week or so ago. And honestly, for an actor as renowned as Richard Attenborough, it is a fucking crime what he does in that film. It is criminal. [01:14:13] Speaker B: It is like all around or accent wise. [01:14:17] Speaker A: You. Right, you are. You're. You're Richard Attenborough. Working for fucking Spielberg, right? [01:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:24] Speaker A: And you were allowed to do 10 minutes of the stupidest fucking Scottish accent and then wholesale abandon it completely for the rest of the film. [01:14:35] Speaker B: I guess I never really thought a whole lot about it because I was so young when I saw it. It becomes like its own. Whatever he's doing is. And I don't question it. Yeah, right, exactly. And it's like. Yeah, he does, like, he does the accent every time he says spare no expense. So it's like a. It's like a bit almost. Yeah, I've never. I've never considered that before. I guess that is a little. [01:15:02] Speaker A: Next time you watch it. And there will be a next time, I'm sure. Just do, please. [01:15:04] Speaker B: Of course, yeah. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Just internally keep a little track on what you're hearing from that guy. [01:15:09] Speaker B: Okay. Noted. Shoot to Kill, AKA Deadly Pursuit. [01:15:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Fantastic. And it is fantastic. Welcome to the 80s. [01:15:20] Speaker B: Such a bizarre film. [01:15:23] Speaker A: Very strange writing that. So we're in 1988 here and we've got Sidney Poitier and Tom Berenger and they are thrown together in the rugged fucking American forest. Where are they? I don't know. [01:15:39] Speaker B: They're in the Pacific Northwest. It's supposed to be, I said, part way through. I'm like, I love how they're like self consciously not showing where this is because it's supposed to be like Oregon. And I. You were like, yeah, where do you think it is? And I was like, it's Canada for sure. And sure enough, I looked up the locations and yeah, it's Vancouver, but supposed to be Oregon. [01:15:59] Speaker A: But we. What we have is we have an FBI crime thriller. We have, you know, on the tail of a cunning and ruthless and deadly thief and kidnapper. The pursuit takes him through woodland, across waterfalls and forests and cable cars. And they come up against bears, they fucking make an igloo and they end up in a high speed pursuit. Oh, man. This is a film that just doesn't know when to quit. It's. Yes, it packs a lot in. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's a fascinating movie because I thought getting into this that it was gonna be kind of a serious thriller. And at times it feels like it is, but it also is like very silly. [01:16:50] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:51] Speaker B: And quippy in the weirdest ways. [01:16:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the kind of movie that Naked Gun is satirizing. [01:17:01] Speaker B: Right. [01:17:02] Speaker A: That's what this is. And it's also riding the wave of Lethal Weapon. Interracial Buddy basically got the same two unlikely odd couple cop movie trope. And. And it's. It's it. I love a movie that tonally gives you tonal whiplash. I really enjoy that. Where did that come from? [01:17:24] Speaker B: Straight to the very last line. [01:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Of this movie where you just finish. [01:17:29] Speaker A: Out like what, One minute you've got a hostage being shot through the eye and then the next Sydney party is kind of looking amazed at hearing a bear what the. Outside of his cabin. [01:17:42] Speaker B: I particularly like when you get the villain's heel turn in this where, you know, he's just kind of been some guy the whole time. He just like throws five guys off a cliff, all of a sudden, what's happening? Yeah, okay, guess he's the bad guy now. [01:17:58] Speaker A: Yes. As I said at the time, I mean, we're not gonna do spoiler warnings for a fucking 30 year old film, but yeah, the bad guy's Clancy Brown. [01:18:05] Speaker B: And when you see Clancy Brown in. [01:18:09] Speaker A: The credits, you should kind of go, all right. So they're not gonna cast the Kurgan as, you know, the hero, just one. [01:18:17] Speaker B: Of the Doofy guys. [01:18:18] Speaker A: No, that's a movie I need to watch again. Listen, I'll ask you for some advice actually. [01:18:22] Speaker B: Okay. [01:18:23] Speaker A: We're planning an outdoor movie night. [01:18:26] Speaker B: Oh, lovely. We're doing that on our neighborhood. [01:18:29] Speaker A: Get the screen out and we're gonna invite family around and. And I'm programming it. [01:18:35] Speaker B: Nice. Excellent. So big responsibility. [01:18:38] Speaker A: It is a big responsibility. I mean, I've told, I've told people that don't complain if you don't like the movie because I'm deciding what the movie is. And if you don't like it, off out of my garden. And I've got to keep it kind of middle of the road, age appropriate. [01:18:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Family friendly. [01:18:55] Speaker A: Exactly. And that's kind of where my mind is, that kind of zone. Maybe something Highlander, maybe something Lost Boys. [01:19:05] Speaker B: Okay. [01:19:05] Speaker A: I'm, I, I definitely want that kind of 80s edge, but wholesome and rewarding, but with scares. But. But viewed through 2025 lens, you're like, what the. That's the zone I want to be in. [01:19:21] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, I, I would be curious as to how like a Highlander, maybe, I don't know, Lost Boys. Lost Boys is always a tough one for me as someone who didn't see it until later on. [01:19:34] Speaker A: Right. [01:19:35] Speaker B: And so like, I'm like, I don't know how much that like holds up in a group in 2025, especially with kids in it. I feel like they're just be like, what is this? This is boring as shit. [01:19:46] Speaker A: No, I think you'd be surprised. I think I haven't seen Lost Boys recently by any means, but I've definitely seen it as an elder. And it's. I seem to remember it holding up really fucking well. It's. It's. [01:19:58] Speaker B: I watched it, like, three or four years ago, and I was like, this is a waste of my time. It wasn't the first time I'd seen it, but it was a rewatch. But I was like, I don't understand why this movie is so beloved, but I don't. I don't know, you know, what kids like is always surprising to me. I was at the pool earlier today, and the lifeguards, like, were talking and they were asking about, you know, what's your favorite movie? Or whatever? And one of them said, 10 things I hate about you, and the other one said, my girl, Both of which came out at least a decade or more before these kids were born. So I don't know. [01:20:32] Speaker A: I like that. [01:20:33] Speaker B: That's maybe quite heartwarming, right? I know. My girl is quite a pull. [01:20:39] Speaker A: I think Lost Boys would land really well. [01:20:42] Speaker B: Oh, maybe There's a musical coming out. Patrick Wilson's producing it. [01:20:45] Speaker A: Is that so? [01:20:47] Speaker B: Mm, yeah. Broadway. Yeah. Get them. [01:20:52] Speaker A: I would not go and see that. I don't think I'd enjoy that. [01:20:56] Speaker B: I'll. I'll see it and I'll let you know. Whether you'd enjoy it or not, you enjoy, like, 90% of the musicals you go see. [01:21:02] Speaker A: You know, before that sentence had even left my fucking head, I was thinking about how gooey I went at Back to the Future. [01:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Every single time you go see a musical, you're like, okay. And then you come out and you're like, that was really fun. Yeah. [01:21:15] Speaker A: But story my life. That is. That is who I am, isn't it? [01:21:18] Speaker B: It's true. Yes, exactly. But, yeah, so Shoot to Kill, AKA Deadly Pursuit. That's apparently what it was called internationally. Interesting flick. Hey, why not give it a whirl? [01:21:29] Speaker A: Yes, you could do a lot worse. And the director Roger Spottswood has popped up in this book that I'm kind of picking away at currently. Proper 80s journeyman. Turner and Hooch. [01:21:40] Speaker B: I loved Turner and Hooch. [01:21:41] Speaker A: Stop or my mom will shoot you. [01:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that one too. I don't think there's a U in that. [01:21:46] Speaker A: There is. What else? I feel like he's done something with, like, Jim Belushi, perhaps. [01:21:55] Speaker B: Quite. Quite a filmography. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's for sure. So, yeah, it's an interesting entry into that, and I was just happy that you indulged me in My. You know, lately, instead of choosing horror movies, I keep on insisting on watching 90s. [01:22:09] Speaker A: You say lately? It's been going on a while now. [01:22:12] Speaker B: Well, listen. Look at the world. Fun, fun. This is where I am right now. Love me as I am. [01:22:23] Speaker A: Yes, we do. [01:22:24] Speaker B: Do you want to play some trivia? [01:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I do. Please. Yes. I'm expecting big scores. [01:22:30] Speaker B: Well, let's see. So I watched this girl do ASMR who does a lot of trivia. That's kind of her bag. And, like, every time she. [01:22:42] Speaker A: Whispery trivia. [01:22:44] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [01:22:46] Speaker A: I bet she's making millions of dollars as well. [01:22:49] Speaker B: I don't think she's making millions, but she makes good money. I assume it's great for falling asleep, too, because when you start thinking about trivia, like, I usually make, like, three questions and then I pass out because it's like, you know, starting to think and, like, try to answer something, you just wear yourself out really fast. But every time, she's always like, I got this, you know, this particular quiz from my favorite trivia website, Jet Punk. And so I was like, oh, I want to do some quizzes with Mark. Jet Punk. I will go look at her favorite trivia website. [01:23:19] Speaker A: She got you. [01:23:21] Speaker B: She got me. It's not even like. It's not at all. This is. It's so funny. This website is literally just like, anyone can submit quizzes to it. It's just a collection of quizzes that people can make. And so I figured we start with one on here. A quiz by Larn that is horror movie general knowledge. [01:23:45] Speaker A: You fucking got it. Okay. [01:23:47] Speaker B: And give it a whirl. [01:23:49] Speaker A: Yes, please. [01:23:49] Speaker B: All right, this one, I think I know. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Let's establish some rules. The rules are you can only accept my first answer. [01:23:57] Speaker B: Okay. And let it be said, you are the one making. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Yeah, let's make it interesting. You can only accept my first answer, and I've got 10 seconds within which to answer you. [01:24:07] Speaker B: I mean, neither of us are timing that. [01:24:09] Speaker A: I got GarageBand open right in front of me. [01:24:11] Speaker B: Oh, good call. Okay, so, Mark. I mean, we can talk about some of these, though. I think there's some conversations, but yes. All right, so. So who is the primary antagonist of Child's Play? [01:24:27] Speaker A: Oh, wow. That is Charles Lee Ray. [01:24:31] Speaker B: I think it's looking for Chucky, AKA Yes. [01:24:34] Speaker A: Yeah, the streets call him Chucky. [01:24:39] Speaker B: Sigourney Weaver is best known for playing Ellen Ripley in what film franchise? [01:24:43] Speaker A: Of course, that would be Alien. Yes. I worry about Brad Dourif. I do worry about him. [01:24:48] Speaker B: As the years go on, he's 75 and he seems to be doing fairly well, you know. But he was also in One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. It's kind of. He's another one that I was thinking, like, he could have been like, kind of a cute little, like, heartthrobby character actor, you know, he's like a cute little young guy and just. That was not the direction he went. [01:25:10] Speaker A: No, certainly not. He also popped up in something we saw quite recently, one of your vintage pics that I indulged you in, didn't he? [01:25:18] Speaker B: That's quite possible. Well, he's. He's an Exorcist three, right? He's like the. I mean, that was a while ago. We watched that one. [01:25:27] Speaker A: But Donald Sutherland, maybe. [01:25:32] Speaker B: That'S. I think you're thinking of Exorcist 3. [01:25:37] Speaker A: I might be. Go on. No, please continue. Alien was the answer to that one. [01:25:41] Speaker B: Yes. Who played Carrie in the 1976 film Carrie? [01:25:45] Speaker A: Sissy Spacek, of course. [01:25:49] Speaker B: Happy Death Day is a horror spinoff on what classic film? [01:25:54] Speaker A: Groundhog Day. [01:25:56] Speaker B: Correct. By what name is John Kramer, better known Jigsaw? Such disdain. [01:26:06] Speaker A: You said that for idiots. [01:26:08] Speaker B: This is. This is. One of the funny things about taking these quizzes is like realizing that it's like, even if I hate this thing. [01:26:14] Speaker A: I do know the answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, fucking saw is so shit, isn't it? [01:26:20] Speaker B: I hate saw so much. I actually do like the first saw. I'm not gonna lie. Let me not act like I don't like the first one. I quite enjoyed it, but after that. No. Okay. Annabelle the Nun and La Llorona are all demons. In what universe? [01:26:36] Speaker A: The conjuring universe. [01:26:39] Speaker B: I always like the way you say conjuring. Sometimes when I'm like, saying it to myself, I say it like, you do the conjuring. Like, oh, that's dirty. This is kind of a toughie. [01:26:51] Speaker A: Backs of my knees are conjuring right now. That's what they're doing. [01:26:55] Speaker B: They are absolutely in doctor Sleep. What is the name of the tribe of vampire? Like creatures led by Rose the Hat. This one stumped me and I was annoyed. [01:27:08] Speaker A: Something eaters? [01:27:10] Speaker B: No. Ah. [01:27:12] Speaker A: They're like Romany traveling types, aren't they? [01:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:19] Speaker A: I'm looking at the book right now on my shelf. Son of a. [01:27:23] Speaker B: This is a hard one. Because it's not like connected directly, like. [01:27:27] Speaker A: No, I know. It's very specific, isn't it? And I do not know. I can't. [01:27:33] Speaker B: They are called. [01:27:33] Speaker A: Go on. [01:27:35] Speaker B: Do you know this at home, listener? This is called the True Knot. [01:27:40] Speaker A: Okay, okay. It was in there somewhere, but in a week I would not have got that. Interestingly, there's a new Stephen King show which is just. [01:27:49] Speaker B: Yeah, the Institute. [01:27:50] Speaker A: Yes. Not that one, but the other Institute. [01:27:52] Speaker B: Oh. [01:27:54] Speaker A: Isn'T, isn't. You know, there's a better book called the Institute that we've both read, isn't there? Oh, I'm thinking of the Reformatory. That's what I'm thinking of. [01:28:02] Speaker B: Oh, okay. I was like, I've just read the Stephen King one. I have not read another book called. [01:28:06] Speaker A: Institute, but I hope it's good. I've seen no press. I've seen. No, I haven't read anything on an AV Club or anything like that. [01:28:12] Speaker B: I saw a commercial for it earlier today, but. Yeah, we'll see. I liked that book. [01:28:16] Speaker A: You know, so did I. I like the book. [01:28:18] Speaker B: It's another one of those books where like the kids talk like 70 year old men. But. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a good book. [01:28:24] Speaker A: Oh, Stephen King, will you ever write a convincing child ever? No. Do we care? No. [01:28:32] Speaker B: I think he probably talked like that when he was a kid. [01:28:34] Speaker A: Stephen King, the only author where at some point in every single book a character will wear something called a chambray work shirt. What the fuck is that? Stephen King. [01:28:49] Speaker B: You know, a thing we all definitely know what is. [01:28:51] Speaker A: What garment is that? He was a rugged man wearing a chambray work shirt. All right. Tells me nothing. [01:28:57] Speaker B: Sure. Now I'm going to notice that every time. As of March 2021, how many nightmare on Elm street films are there? [01:29:09] Speaker A: Are we including Freddy versus Jason and are we including the remake as of 2021? [01:29:14] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [01:29:16] Speaker A: So Elmistreet, Freddy's Revenge, Dream Warriors, Dream Master, Dream Child, New Nightmare, Freddy versus Jason and Remake. So eight. [01:29:29] Speaker B: Maybe it's. It's not including one of those because it has seven. I was thinking maybe that. Yeah, maybe the remake is not what they're counting, but I'll give you eight because. Yeah. [01:29:40] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:29:43] Speaker B: The Overlook Hotel is the setting of what classic horror film that would be the Shining. [01:29:47] Speaker A: Of course. [01:29:48] Speaker B: Naturally, I was impressed with myself for getting this one off the top of my head. What is the Name of the 8th Friday the 13th film? [01:29:57] Speaker A: Eight. [01:29:58] Speaker B: Number eight. [01:29:59] Speaker A: Oh, fuck. All right. Okay, Okay. [01:30:04] Speaker B: I kind of just started at 6 and worked forward. And that was. [01:30:07] Speaker A: So I'm gonna go from. And work backwards. Okay, so X was Jason in space nine, I think Was Jason Steals a Boat. Seven is lives, I think. Oh, shit. [01:30:26] Speaker B: Now you're, you're, you're off your counts? [01:30:28] Speaker A: I am. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. Is eight takes Manhattan. [01:30:36] Speaker B: Yes. [01:30:36] Speaker A: There we go. Okay, what's nine then? [01:30:38] Speaker B: Got it. That's H2O. [01:30:43] Speaker A: That's Halloween. [01:30:45] Speaker B: Oh, that's Halloween. Yeah. Not H2O is Jason. What is nine? I knew this yesterday when I was going through them, but I cannot think of what it is now. So x is obviously 10. What comes right before that? Lori is screaming right now. [01:31:02] Speaker A: Oh, Jason goes to hell. [01:31:05] Speaker B: Okay, there we go. Perfect. I was like, I know. It's like, in the vicinity of that. Anyway. All right, here's an easy one for you. No counting involved. [01:31:16] Speaker A: Okay. [01:31:16] Speaker B: Who directed the Fly? [01:31:18] Speaker A: Oh, well, Cronenberg, obviously, but I'm trying to think of who directed the fucking 19. [01:31:25] Speaker B: The original. [01:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Which I. Which, hey. Interestingly so. Oh, I love this so much. I've. I've spoken a few times over the years about movie Drome solely missed on BBC2. [01:31:38] Speaker B: The. [01:31:38] Speaker A: The movie that basically introduced me to the. The show that basically introduced me to cult cinema. The BFI in London, the British Film Institution is running a series of movies based on movies that were shown as part of Movie Drum. [01:31:55] Speaker B: That's so cool. [01:31:56] Speaker A: Ah, listen, Corey, you don't know how glad it makes my heart to know that other people remember that show as well. You know what I mean? That's something that. That. [01:32:05] Speaker B: The Treasured. [01:32:06] Speaker A: Yeah. That nestled its way into my memory is culturally still relevant enough to warrant a fucking series at the BFI. Beautiful. Beautiful. And the fly from. I think it's 64 or something like that with Vincent Price is one of those movies, as is the remake. But me and Paul and start from the group chat, we're going to see La? N at the end of this month. [01:32:28] Speaker B: See what? [01:32:29] Speaker A: La N? The French. [01:32:31] Speaker B: Oh, yep. No, I gotcha. I was hearing it like, you know, the way I pronounce the letter T instead. Huh. Okay. [01:32:42] Speaker A: But, yeah, super stoked. I. No, I can't remember who did the original, but I think you're after David. [01:32:47] Speaker B: Is it Corman? [01:32:47] Speaker A: Is it Roger Corman? [01:32:49] Speaker B: No, no. Because it would have been cheesier if it were Corpsman. And it's like genuinely a legit movie. [01:32:55] Speaker A: If only I had. [01:32:56] Speaker B: I can't remember. Yeah. If only there was some way for us to find this out again. There's somebody yelling. This is the point of doing trivia on a show, though, is that everyone is sitting in their cars or at home like, oh, my God, what if. [01:33:10] Speaker A: I told you that was 1958. [01:33:13] Speaker B: Uh huh. [01:33:14] Speaker A: 1958. [01:33:16] Speaker B: That's not surprising to me. [01:33:17] Speaker A: It's a long time. A guy by the name of Kurt Newman. [01:33:22] Speaker B: Okay. [01:33:23] Speaker A: Born in 1908 in Nuremberg, Germany. [01:33:26] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. [01:33:29] Speaker A: Let me see. Go on. Please do. [01:33:31] Speaker B: Oh, go ahead. Well, did you want to follow up? Anything more? [01:33:34] Speaker A: Anything else? [01:33:35] Speaker B: 1958'S the Fly. [01:33:38] Speaker A: Anything else of note that he would have done? Let's see, I mean, his first movie was in 1933. Something called the Big Cage around about the fly. We had she Devil, Machete, Watusi, Counter plot, Kronos. All banger sounding movies from the 1950s. [01:33:55] Speaker B: Love it. Okay. In the 1983 film Christine. What is Christine? [01:34:03] Speaker A: She's a car. She's a Plymouth Fury, in fact. [01:34:06] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah, yeah, well done. Just goes for car, but excellent work. Who played the lead character? Jay height in the 2014 film. It follows. [01:34:19] Speaker A: I can see him. No, you can't see him. Daniel something. [01:34:27] Speaker B: No, no. [01:34:28] Speaker A: Then I don't know. [01:34:30] Speaker B: Micah Monroe. It's a girl. [01:34:32] Speaker A: Oh, that guy could not see, in fact, see him. [01:34:36] Speaker B: It's like, I don't know who. What are you talking about here? [01:34:40] Speaker A: I was thinking. [01:34:44] Speaker B: No, no, I think you're thinking of a different movie. [01:34:47] Speaker A: Yes, I might be thinking, oh, several of the movies, yeah. [01:34:51] Speaker B: To be honest. Norman Bates is the antagonist in what 1960 horror film? [01:34:57] Speaker A: Psycho. [01:34:57] Speaker B: Yes, yes. In what film would you hear the line, is Tamara home? [01:35:04] Speaker A: Oh, say that again. [01:35:08] Speaker B: Is Tamara home? [01:35:10] Speaker A: I'm gonna have to stab at the others. [01:35:14] Speaker B: You're wrong. But you're thinking of the right thing. You want to try a different title? [01:35:19] Speaker A: Let's see. [01:35:21] Speaker B: Hush. No, but you, you're like just coming at this. You're in the right thing. You said the others. But you mean a different thing. [01:35:30] Speaker A: Strangers. [01:35:31] Speaker B: There you go. [01:35:32] Speaker A: That's what I mean. I'm gonna give myself that one. I had that one. [01:35:36] Speaker B: Yeah, because that was why I'm like. No, you're. I know you know what you're talking about, but that's just the wrong movie title. [01:35:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:45] Speaker B: What year was Night of the Living Dead released? I was impressed with myself for getting this one on the first try too. [01:35:51] Speaker A: Oh, Christ. It's gonna be a stab in the dark. I'm gonna say 62. [01:36:00] Speaker B: Oh, little early 1968. [01:36:02] Speaker A: Okay, okay. [01:36:05] Speaker B: Who won an Oscar for her portrayal of Annie Wilkes in the 1990 film Misery? [01:36:11] Speaker A: What's her name? Bates. Kathy Bates. [01:36:13] Speaker B: Correct. [01:36:14] Speaker A: There you go. [01:36:16] Speaker B: Another softball here. [01:36:17] Speaker A: King heavy. He's a very king. King focused. [01:36:20] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah, now that you mention it. Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecter are characters in what film? [01:36:28] Speaker A: Well, Hannibal. [01:36:33] Speaker B: What? [01:36:35] Speaker A: Are they not both in the sequel? In that sequel, Hannibal with. [01:36:38] Speaker B: I don't. She's not in it, is she? [01:36:41] Speaker A: Which one is she recast. Didn't she just get recast in one of them? Isn't she? [01:36:46] Speaker B: You're trying to be tricky about the question. [01:36:50] Speaker A: I think there's a technicality here in that. Clarice, she's in another one also in one of the sequels. Julianne Moore. [01:36:57] Speaker B: Maybe it is Hannibal, because that's the one I've seen the least. [01:36:59] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure they recast her with Julianne Moore in one of them. [01:37:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that sounds. Is that. I guess I didn't remember that she was playing the same character. Interesting. [01:37:11] Speaker A: Yes. So here we go. Yes. Clarice Starling, she was played by Julianne Moore in the 2001 Hannibal. So. [01:37:18] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, there you go. [01:37:20] Speaker A: I have two answers. [01:37:20] Speaker B: That is definitely. I think I've seen that one like twice. And I've seen the other ones far more times. [01:37:26] Speaker A: Is that one with Ray Liotta in. [01:37:29] Speaker B: That's Red Dragon. [01:37:30] Speaker A: Because there's a fucking brilliant bit in that where he fucking takes his head off and. [01:37:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:35] Speaker A: Start frying up his brain in front of him while he has like. And he has, like, palsy while he's eating his own brain. That is fucking brilliant. Properly gave me the egg. [01:37:46] Speaker B: That is, can I say, a weird. Cory. Fact is, I saw Red Dragon before I saw Silence of the Lambs. [01:37:53] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. [01:37:55] Speaker B: Yeah, just, you know, one of those things where it's what you have access to. Right. Then I think it was on HBO or something when I was in high school and I was like, I'll watch that. And then came across Silence of the. [01:38:09] Speaker A: Lambs later in college as a decapitation enthusiast and a cranial injury, you know, buff. Like me, you know, seeing the fucking CG that went into the bat. Perfect deskulling of a living man. He even fucking pulls the meningeal kind of membrane off his brain before he cuts. It's really clinically accurate. It feels really, really, really well done. [01:38:36] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. [01:38:37] Speaker A: And which is what Gary Oldman, because that's fucking great as well. [01:38:42] Speaker B: Is with. [01:38:44] Speaker A: Some of the best. Best makeup I've ever seen in a film. Is that. Is that Red Dragon? [01:38:51] Speaker B: I think that's Hannibal. [01:38:53] Speaker A: Are they the same film? Are we talking about the same movie? [01:38:56] Speaker B: Hannibal and Red Dragon, they're two different movies. [01:38:58] Speaker A: Yeah, but does one of them have both Ray Liotta and the Mason Verger plot? Or are they two different films? [01:39:05] Speaker B: No, I think those are two different films. Red Dragon's one that has Ralph Fiennes, of course. Yeah. [01:39:13] Speaker A: So which one has. Yes, which one has Gary? Open. [01:39:18] Speaker B: Question. It seems like we're gonna have to revisit Hannibal is what's going on here? [01:39:22] Speaker A: I'm down. I'm perfectly, perfectly down. [01:39:26] Speaker B: This is the conclusion that we can draw from this. All right, another softball for you here. Poltergeist, Salem's Lot and Texas Chainsaw Massacre were all directed by whom? [01:39:37] Speaker A: Toby Hooper? [01:39:39] Speaker B: Yeah, there's no, no technicalities on that one. [01:39:42] Speaker A: Got me there. Got me banged. Right. [01:39:43] Speaker B: People who keep, you know, have their whole Spielberg thing, but I used to. [01:39:47] Speaker A: Be one of those. I'm not anymore. [01:39:51] Speaker B: And finally, I think this is one of the tougher ones. What do they call the satanic nanny in the Omen? [01:40:01] Speaker A: I know you've. You've seen him quite recently, haven't you? But not so much. I'm gonna pass on that one. [01:40:07] Speaker B: I wouldn't have gotten it either. It's Mrs. Baylock. [01:40:10] Speaker A: You either know it or you don't. [01:40:12] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. All right, I'm gonna give you a choice of the other one. Okay, that other quiz we're gonna do, okay, either it's the ultimate horror movie quiz. It's just sort of general knowledge questions again about horror movies. Or using the top 100 more horror movies according to Rotten Tomatoes. Can you name the film based on the year and the lead act, actor or actress? Oh. [01:40:41] Speaker A: Fuck. Oh, that's tantalizing. So, general horror movie knowledge or top 100 based on just the year? Give me a couple of that. [01:40:52] Speaker B: And we won't do all. [01:40:52] Speaker A: Yeah, give me just a few. Just gauge where. If I'm going to be made a. [01:40:56] Speaker B: Mockery of here, maybe I'll give it. Yeah, I'll give you some from the first column here. So, 2019, Lupita Nyong' o us. You got it. 2017, Daniel Kaluuya. [01:41:14] Speaker A: Get out. [01:41:16] Speaker B: Nicely done. Let's up this a little bit. 1919, right? Werner Kraus. [01:41:23] Speaker A: I don't know who that is. [01:41:26] Speaker B: Can you guess? Maybe 1919 with a German lead. [01:41:29] Speaker A: Oh, alright. Nosferatu. [01:41:32] Speaker B: Not quite. You'll know that one. [01:41:36] Speaker A: Werner Kraus. [01:41:39] Speaker B: Werner Kraus. [01:41:40] Speaker A: 1919 Notable horror film Cabinet of Dr. [01:41:44] Speaker B: Caligari there it is. You got it. [01:41:48] Speaker A: Fry me an onion, mama. [01:41:54] Speaker B: As is famously the catchphrase of Dr. Caligari. 2018, Emily Blunt. [01:42:06] Speaker A: God. 2018, Emily Blunt. She was in every single movie released around that time, wasn't she. [01:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. But a horror movie in particular, that narrows it down, I think. I don't think she's in that many horror movies. [01:42:24] Speaker A: I'm drawing a blank, to be honest. Let's think. Emily blunt. 20. 19. [01:42:30] Speaker B: 18, 18. [01:42:32] Speaker A: She's probably, like, wearing a vest top, isn't she? And like, tech, like camouflage pants and wearing, like, a bag. [01:42:39] Speaker B: This is not an action movie. This is pure horror movie. [01:42:42] Speaker A: Oh, quiet place. [01:42:45] Speaker B: There you go. Yes. 2020, Elizabeth Moss. [01:42:51] Speaker A: Invisible Man. [01:42:53] Speaker B: Correct. 1922, Max Schreck. [01:42:58] Speaker A: Nosferatu. I am. I'm really good at this. I'm killing this. [01:43:02] Speaker B: Yeah, doing better than you thought you would. 1933, Fay Wray. [01:43:09] Speaker A: King Kong. [01:43:11] Speaker B: That's right. 1960, Janet Lee. [01:43:15] Speaker A: Psycho. [01:43:17] Speaker B: 1935, Elsa Lanchester. That's a tough one. [01:43:23] Speaker A: 1935. [01:43:25] Speaker B: Not for Anna Martin, probably, but for the rest of us. [01:43:31] Speaker A: 1935. I'm gonna have a stab here at the bride of Frankenstein. [01:43:36] Speaker B: Nailed it. [01:43:37] Speaker A: Get the fuck in. [01:43:38] Speaker B: Nicely done. [01:43:40] Speaker A: Fucking kiss my knees. [01:43:42] Speaker B: Excellent work. Not their wet famous. [01:43:46] Speaker A: It's my conjured knees. [01:43:50] Speaker B: 2014, Essie Davis. [01:43:54] Speaker A: Is that SE like initials? [01:43:56] Speaker B: No. [01:43:56] Speaker A: E, S, S, I, E. 2014. [01:44:00] Speaker B: 2014. [01:44:01] Speaker A: No, I don't. I don't know. [01:44:04] Speaker B: It's Australia. [01:44:09] Speaker A: 2014, Australian horror film. Ron. [01:44:14] Speaker B: Gay icon. No. [01:44:17] Speaker A: Gay icon. [01:44:19] Speaker B: Yes. [01:44:20] Speaker A: 2014, Australian horror in the RT. Top 100 horrors of all time. [01:44:28] Speaker B: Yes. [01:44:30] Speaker A: 2014, Australian gay icon. [01:44:34] Speaker B: If you don't understand the gay icon reference, just leave that out. You're not gonna get it. Nah, that's a. That's an Internet thing. It's the Babadook. [01:44:43] Speaker A: Fine. Okay, okay. [01:44:47] Speaker B: 1931, Boris Karloff. [01:44:51] Speaker A: Phantom of the Opera. [01:44:54] Speaker B: Wrong guy. [01:44:55] Speaker A: Oh, Frankenstein. [01:44:56] Speaker B: That's Lon Chaney. [01:44:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:44:57] Speaker B: There you go. 2019, Robert Pattinson. [01:45:03] Speaker A: 2019, Robert Pattinson.2019. Not Twilight, surely. Too late for that. [01:45:10] Speaker B: Also probably not gonna be in the top horror film. [01:45:12] Speaker A: No, of course not. Of course not. What an idiot. Fucking idiot. Idiot. Idiot. Stupid, idiot. Robert Pattinson. 2019 is probably super obvious. [01:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, this. [01:45:26] Speaker A: This is probably super. Super. [01:45:28] Speaker B: Think about your interests specifically. [01:45:34] Speaker A: Nah, listen, I'm. I'm wiped. I'm. I'm washed. I got nothing. [01:45:39] Speaker B: It's the lighthouse. [01:45:40] Speaker A: Oh, fucking hell. I don't see that's. That's like a rom com. I don't even think of that as a horror. [01:45:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, just like, you know, the rest of Egger's entire filmography. Just. Just a romp. [01:45:53] Speaker A: I'm. I'm paraphrasing him, right? But fuck, there was such a fucking brilliant interview with him. Just around the time Nosferatu was coming out, where he talks about how he's never ever gonna set a film in modern times. I'm paraphrasing him, but he says something like, the idea of having to shoot a car makes me physically sick. Fucking yes, bro. [01:46:19] Speaker B: Fair enough. [01:46:19] Speaker A: Fucking fair enough. Live the Gimmick. [01:46:24] Speaker B: How about 2018? Millie Shapiro. [01:46:28] Speaker A: Hereditary. [01:46:29] Speaker B: That's right. 2008. Lena Lee Anderson. [01:46:37] Speaker A: Lena. Is that three names? [01:46:40] Speaker B: No, Lena, first name, L, A, N, A. Last name, L, E, A, N, D, E, R, S, S, O, N. Which I think is helpful. This is how I guessed it earlier. [01:46:49] Speaker A: LeAnderson Lee Anderson. [01:46:51] Speaker B: 2008. [01:46:58] Speaker A: That surname is helpful, you say it is. [01:47:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I think this. That was what. The only thing that tipped me off on this. In fact, I've never even seen the movie. [01:47:08] Speaker A: Nah. Got me. [01:47:11] Speaker B: Let the right one in. [01:47:12] Speaker A: Okay. [01:47:14] Speaker B: I was just like, that sounds like someone from that general vicinity. Let's see. This is a tough one. 1932. Olga Baklanova. [01:47:34] Speaker A: Olga Baklanova, 1932. One of the best horror movies of all time. I don't think I've got anything to prove after pulling out Bride of Frankenstein earlier on, right? So let's just get that fucking said. 1932. [01:47:53] Speaker B: One of us. [01:47:54] Speaker A: Okay. Freaks. [01:47:55] Speaker B: Yes. Beautiful. [01:47:58] Speaker A: Thank you for the hands. [01:47:58] Speaker B: Okay, I think you've proved yourself on this one. So shall we just finish out with some general knowledge questions and feel free. [01:48:05] Speaker A: To play along at home? [01:48:07] Speaker B: Yes. I assume everyone has been this entire time and let us know how you've been doing on these here questions. [01:48:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:48:16] Speaker B: So this one has multiple choice. I'm not gonna give you multiple choice unless you're stunned. [01:48:21] Speaker A: Oh, that's good. Yeah. Okay. [01:48:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So easy out the gate. What is the name of the killer clown in Stephen King's it? [01:48:32] Speaker A: Pennywise the dancing Clown. [01:48:35] Speaker B: That's. That's the guy. It does even say, technically, the it monster is more than just a clown. It can shapeshift to represent your greatest fear. So good job. [01:48:44] Speaker A: Unless. Unless you're Stephen King and you can only think to represent that huge cosmic fucking unbound by time and space entity that feeds on fear and returns in a cyclical way to fear. Feed on the dens. Oh, no. It's a big spider. [01:49:02] Speaker B: Sake spider, obviously. [01:49:04] Speaker A: Steve, mate. [01:49:07] Speaker B: Hey, for some of us, us, that is the worst thing you can imagine. [01:49:10] Speaker A: Yeah, good point. In a chambray work shirt. [01:49:14] Speaker B: In a chambray work shirt. Another softball for you. What is the name of the main villain in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre? [01:49:24] Speaker A: Well. Well, it Would. That would depend, of course. I mean, a lot of people. [01:49:32] Speaker B: Main villain, Leatherface. Let's say there's clearly more than one. [01:49:38] Speaker A: Yes. [01:49:39] Speaker B: But, yeah, main villain. I like. One of the choices that they gave was Slicey McStabby. Nah, here's Johnny. What's the name of the hotel Shining Takes Place? [01:49:53] Speaker A: Oh, the Overlook. Great. Yeah, the Overlook. Is it still standing, I wonder? Can you go there? [01:49:58] Speaker B: I've been there. Oh, it's not called the Overlook. [01:50:00] Speaker A: Have you really? [01:50:02] Speaker B: So there's two. There's the place it's based on, and then there's the place that's the, like, outside shots or whatever of it. One of them is on Mount Hood, and it's called the Timberline Lodge, which my friend Andy and I took a little pilgrimage to. And the one it's based on is the. Oh, my brain is completely. I can't think of what it's called right now. It'll come to me. But it's in Estes Park, Colorado. And when we did Friendsgiving in Colorado a few years ago, I was like, let's go to Estes park so we can go. And we went to that hotel as well. [01:50:36] Speaker A: Wonderful. [01:50:37] Speaker B: Stanley. The Stanley Hotel. [01:50:38] Speaker A: Wonderful. [01:50:40] Speaker B: So everything's still standing. [01:50:41] Speaker A: Nice. [01:50:42] Speaker B: FYI, what was the name of the infamous fishing boat used in the climactic shark hunt at the end of Jaws? [01:50:50] Speaker A: Was that the Orca? [01:50:52] Speaker B: Correct. Good job, sir. [01:50:54] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:50:54] Speaker B: We can stay friends. [01:50:55] Speaker A: Phew. [01:50:56] Speaker B: I can see the, like, the stress rising in you. Like, am I about to get this wrong in front of Corrigan? [01:51:02] Speaker A: That was gonna be the last episode. [01:51:06] Speaker B: How does the mostly unseen monster from it follows decide who to target? [01:51:14] Speaker A: Isn't it like an std? Isn't it like a sexually transmitted gribly. It's an stg. [01:51:20] Speaker B: Yes. A sexually transmitted Gribbly. I like it. Who is the main protagonist in the Scream series? [01:51:29] Speaker A: The main protagonist? Sidney Prescott. [01:51:32] Speaker B: Correct. Yes. [01:51:34] Speaker A: Always been a big fan. Everybody knows that. Everyone knows. I've always been a big fan. Never. I've never wavered on that. [01:51:46] Speaker B: Before. He was caught and burned to death by angry townspeople. Freddy Krueger was a serial killer known. [01:51:52] Speaker A: As what, the Springwood Slasher. [01:51:57] Speaker B: Correct. [01:51:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:51:58] Speaker B: Isn't that like one of your, like, usernames or something like that somewhere? [01:52:02] Speaker A: I've got a Freddy profile pic on Reddit. I know I've never gone as far as to. [01:52:09] Speaker B: I don't know why I asked myself. [01:52:10] Speaker A: The Springwood Slasher on a social platform? Never quite got that far. [01:52:16] Speaker B: What is the name of the Mist? [01:52:18] Speaker A: I am reconciling with the fact that we're never going to see him play Freddy again, are we? [01:52:23] Speaker B: Oh, no, that's absolutely not happening. Yeah, he had a good run. [01:52:31] Speaker A: He had a fight. [01:52:32] Speaker B: You've met the man. [01:52:33] Speaker A: I have. He had the best to run. How would we feel chat about using his image post mortem? I wonder, because. Because we could do it. No problem. No sweat. We could CG and a new Freddy. No problem at all. [01:52:55] Speaker B: Yeah. If, you know, if he gave his permission. But also I feel like the only thing that is iffy about that is like the cash grab way of doing it. Like you could do it in ways. I mean, a lot of people complained about this, but I thought it looked good. The, you know, Ian Holm. [01:53:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Alien Romulus. [01:53:17] Speaker B: Alien Romulus. [01:53:19] Speaker A: I thought it looked fantastic. [01:53:20] Speaker B: I thought it looked great. Apparently a lot of people hated that. [01:53:23] Speaker A: Well, then a lot of people are dicks. [01:53:26] Speaker B: Family was on board with it and everything. And I thought it looked cool and it was an eerie part of the plot. [01:53:31] Speaker A: He looked like that Android. Which is what he was. [01:53:35] Speaker B: Yeah, which is what he was. [01:53:36] Speaker A: But I mean, with, you know, you could put a double under a mask and you could CG your face onto that, you know. [01:53:43] Speaker B: Right. [01:53:44] Speaker A: Just no problem. [01:53:45] Speaker B: Do it like sinners. It's just the fact that if a company was going to do that, they'd probably be trying to cut corners by using AI instead of doing like something cool with it. [01:53:54] Speaker A: So, you know, or worst case scenario, how to do it, they bring back Freddy to fucking advertise cider and call it an activation. You know what I mean? [01:54:02] Speaker B: Oh, and activation. [01:54:03] Speaker A: Oh me. [01:54:08] Speaker B: Is it Jason that they're doing that with? [01:54:09] Speaker A: It is. Yeah, it is Jason universe. [01:54:12] Speaker B: It's unfortunate because, you know, there's so much fun in that universe to still be explored and to just turn them into an advertisement criminal. [01:54:21] Speaker A: And every article, dystopian, every single article about that over the last couple of weeks has talked about how, you know, I can't even remember the fucking jobber is who's making it. How honored I am to be able to write a new chapter in the Friday the 13th with these beloved iconic characters that have been terror rating kids for years to come. Next paragraph. The short film is entirely funded by fucking Angry Orchard. Exactly. Yeah. Pissed Mike's crazy cider company. So it's gonna be kids in a forest drinking cider with the label clearly visible and Jason is gonna pop up and it's gonna be like two and a half minutes long and it's gonna fucking suck ass. And the and please don't. Please don't do it world. [01:55:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:55:09] Speaker A: Please, can you not just give me this. [01:55:11] Speaker B: That just not like this. [01:55:12] Speaker A: Not like, not like this. But you're right. There's so much after 10 or so films it seems right ridiculous to even say that, but there's so much you could do with Jason. [01:55:25] Speaker B: Yeah, agreed. [01:55:27] Speaker A: You know, imagine that's the thing is. [01:55:28] Speaker B: Like there's so many fan made Jason movies as well. That is a rich text, that one. [01:55:34] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, you could have. You could have the kids like filming a TikTok. Can you. And all of a sudden Jason's in the background and then they get killed and. [01:55:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very bad. Marco, what is the name of the mysterious hypnotic location that Chris finds himself in during Get Out? [01:55:56] Speaker A: I've seen it literally one time. [01:55:59] Speaker B: Really? [01:55:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, is it like something like the underneath or the under or. [01:56:04] Speaker B: You're on the right track. Yeah. [01:56:06] Speaker A: The fucking sofa. I know. I don't know. I don't know. [01:56:13] Speaker B: The Sunken Place. [01:56:14] Speaker A: There you go. Yes, yes, yes. [01:56:15] Speaker B: Yeah, you were. You were on the. On the right track. The Purge is about a 24 hour period where all crime is legal in America. How often does this happen? [01:56:25] Speaker A: The Purge, I believe is an annual event. [01:56:28] Speaker B: It is correct. Once a year. The bad guy in Don't Breathe might be old and blind, but he's hiding a big secret in the basement. Oh, what is it? [01:56:39] Speaker A: Oh, fuck. Is it like. Is it like he's a. He's like a baby farmer. Is he just impregnating hostages? Is that what he's doing? [01:56:48] Speaker B: I don't remember. Does he impregnate them? I know he has a lady in the basement. I do remember that much. I don't remember what for. [01:56:54] Speaker A: I seem to. I didn't like the. [01:56:56] Speaker B: I'm not gonna lie. [01:56:57] Speaker A: I seem to remember he was impregnating hostages. [01:57:01] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:57:02] Speaker A: Maybe. [01:57:04] Speaker B: Sure. [01:57:04] Speaker A: As if he's not. [01:57:05] Speaker B: That's not true. That's a fucked up thing to make up. [01:57:07] Speaker A: Mark really told a tale of myself there. And you know what he shouts whenever he captures a new. You know exactly what he says. Go on, say it. [01:57:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it looks like it. [01:57:25] Speaker A: No, you don't have to. [01:57:28] Speaker B: You're right. It says after his daughter is killed in a car accident, he kidnaps the guilty driver and plans to force her into providing a replacement child. [01:57:35] Speaker A: There you go. [01:57:36] Speaker B: So that it's not quite baby farming, but you're on the right track. [01:57:39] Speaker A: There you go. I'll take that. [01:57:42] Speaker B: Michael Myers mask is actually a mask for What Star Trek character? [01:57:46] Speaker A: Captain Kirk. Is that proven or is that apocryphal? [01:57:50] Speaker B: It's true. There's like a whole like interview or something talking about like the process of, of finding that mask. And indeed it is a Captain Kirk mask. Which film is typically create. Credited as creating the genre of found footage? Horror movies. [01:58:10] Speaker A: Play which project. [01:58:13] Speaker B: No, that's what I thought too. [01:58:16] Speaker A: Creating the genre of found footage movies. [01:58:20] Speaker B: Yeah, gotta go earlier. [01:58:22] Speaker A: Earlier than Blair Witch creating the genre of found footage movies. [01:58:29] Speaker B: Yeah. This one seem. I mean, this is a little iffy. [01:58:33] Speaker A: To me, but not Paranormal Activity. Surely the not. [01:58:36] Speaker B: No, that's later. [01:58:37] Speaker A: Later. [01:58:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Cannibal holocaust. [01:58:47] Speaker A: Huh? Not what I think of when I think of. [01:58:51] Speaker B: No, not at all. Yeah, I guess cannibal. [01:58:53] Speaker A: I guess it is a creator of the found footage genre. You know, the one where they literally kill animals on camera for. [01:59:01] Speaker B: Right, Yeah. I feel like found footage is the wrong term for cannibal holocaust. [01:59:08] Speaker A: More documentary, isn't it? Documentary horror style. [01:59:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's more it, like it feels more like it's. Yeah. Mockumentary or something along those lines. If you're unlucky enough to watch the cursed videotape in the ring, you get a phone call. What does the voice on the other end say? [01:59:26] Speaker A: Fry me an onion, mama. In such a weird. In five days you'll die. Is it five days? [01:59:39] Speaker B: Are you kidding? [01:59:40] Speaker A: Three days? [01:59:44] Speaker B: It is famously seven days. [01:59:48] Speaker A: You're gonna die. [01:59:52] Speaker B: Incredible. Of all the things to miss, that's. That's the one. One that has become a meme over the past 25 years. [02:00:02] Speaker A: I knew I just couldn't bring it to mind. [02:00:05] Speaker B: Just imagining you trying to like reference this movie and being like, five days and everyone's like, what are you talking about? [02:00:12] Speaker A: You know. [02:00:15] Speaker B: Dr. Hannibal Lecter, an imprisoned cannibalistic serial killer, helps the FBI track down which fictional criminal in Silence of the Lambs. [02:00:23] Speaker A: Oh, nice. Buffalo Bill. [02:00:25] Speaker B: Yes, fictional seems like a weird like, caveat to add to. [02:00:29] Speaker A: Until he said fictional, I wasn't even. [02:00:32] Speaker B: Like, is he real? Gonna get me. It's like I think he's. He's a real guy. Like, at least in there, the Conjuring franchise. I'm sorry, The Conjuring franchise contains a possessed doll who went on to have its own series of spin off movies. What's the doll's name? [02:00:47] Speaker A: Annabelle. And I don't like them. I don't like any of them. [02:00:50] Speaker B: I know, I know you hate those movies. I like them fine. We already answered this question in the other one. Silence. Oh, this is an interesting one with the multiple choice. Silence of the Lambs won five different Academy Awards. Which category did it not win an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor, Best Picture, Best Actor or Best Actress? [02:01:14] Speaker A: Did it not win Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Picture, and Best or best actor actor? 92? [02:01:29] Speaker B: 91, I think, but yes. So I guess would be the 92. [02:01:33] Speaker A: Academy Awards because horror had a long drought without winning anything, any kind of. [02:01:40] Speaker B: Well, it did win five, so it's just. Which one of those did it not win? [02:01:44] Speaker A: I don't think it won Best Picture. [02:01:48] Speaker B: It did. It did win Best Picture. [02:01:50] Speaker A: Excellent. [02:01:50] Speaker B: It didn't win Best Supporting Actor because Anthony Hopkins won Best Actor despite only appearing on screen for roughly 20 minutes of the movie. [02:02:00] Speaker A: So who was nominated for Best Supporting Actor? No one, because. [02:02:03] Speaker B: Oh, I don't know. [02:02:04] Speaker A: Okay. [02:02:05] Speaker B: Okay, that's not on the quiz mark. [02:02:08] Speaker A: All right, this one, this will add one more. And this one is for the title of Ultimate Champion. [02:02:14] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, let me, let me find a good one here. [02:02:17] Speaker A: Don't soft soap me here. [02:02:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I would never. Okay, here's a good one. I think this is, this is a tricky one. What movie is often credited as forcing the MPAA to create the PG13 rating? [02:02:35] Speaker A: Right, and it's a horror movie. [02:02:38] Speaker B: It's. Yeah, it's falls under that category. [02:02:42] Speaker A: PG4.13 because. [02:02:46] Speaker B: Left column, left column. Horror, obviously, because it's getting into the. [02:02:51] Speaker A: PG 13 because the equivalent over here is 12. Right. And I think I want to say that like one of the Lethal Weapons was the first 12, or was it maybe Batman? 89. That was the first. First 12. [02:03:12] Speaker B: Interesting. [02:03:14] Speaker A: But the first PG13 I'm gonna write. So 80s 90s, I'm gonna try and. [02:03:21] Speaker B: 80S 1984, I'm gonna try and zero in. That's a fair hint. [02:03:25] Speaker A: 84. 84. Take a swing at Ghostbusters? [02:03:30] Speaker B: No, but I feel like it's in the neighborhood. It's Gremlins. Ah. So yes, before Gremlins was released in 1984, there was no middle ground between PG and R ratings, so they created it. [02:03:43] Speaker A: Imagine Gremlins. [02:03:45] Speaker B: Yeah, interesting, right? [02:03:46] Speaker A: Simpler times. I need to now check what the first ever 12 certificate film in the UK was. [02:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah, let's hear it. I'm curious now. [02:03:59] Speaker A: Batman Ignite. [02:04:02] Speaker B: Nicely done. You did. You knew it in your heart space. [02:04:04] Speaker A: Yes, I did. So I morally can lay claim to the title of ultimate Champion. [02:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's fair. I'm impressed. I think everybody probably almost impressed. Like I said, let us know how you did on this here set of quizzes. Very curious. I think a lot of people are gonna do very well on these here questions. Fun to play a game with you, Mark. [02:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah, same thing. Fun to be played with. On a balmy July evening. Better times are ahead, crew. The weather's gonna break tomorrow. We're gonna get a lot of rain. Oh, lovely Britain are gonna be shooting sulfur particles into the sky. The sun's gonna cool right down, you know. [02:04:45] Speaker B: Yes. [02:04:45] Speaker A: And look, next time you go to a concert, all right, there may be a murderer or two, but most people will be fine. So just maybe focus on that instead. [02:04:56] Speaker B: Really good point. Yeah. You introduced. It's like some sort of strange gaslighting process you've gone through where first you tell everyone of all the dangers waiting in a standard crowd, and then you say, hey, don't. Don't focus on that. [02:05:11] Speaker A: It's all fine. [02:05:13] Speaker B: It's all fine. [02:05:14] Speaker A: That's the message. [02:05:15] Speaker B: You can tell everyone in that crowd. God damn it. You got to do one thing. [02:05:19] Speaker A: Yes. Stay spooky. [02:05:22] Speaker B: Hear, hear.