Ep. 207: grey pubes & other ravages of age

[00:00:04] Speaker A: It. It makes so much sense to me. It makes perfect sense to me, right. As you and I spend most weekends, you know, most. You know, once a week or most weeks, we sit here and we talk about. We chart the kind of. The downward trajectory of everything. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Yes, we do do that. Yes. [00:00:25] Speaker A: Looking outward. [00:00:26] Speaker B: That wasn't the plan. [00:00:28] Speaker A: But, you know, that's kind of what. What happened, isn't it? That's kind of where we found ourselves then. Did the way the wind blew the ship jog. So it makes sense to me that we, you know, because we spend so much of our time and so many of these conversations charting the decline towards its only logical destination, the world around us, so too, does it make a certain kind of sense to me that I would take that lens and point it inward a little and maybe spend a bit of time here commenting on my own decline. [00:01:09] Speaker B: Okay. Is this a good idea? [00:01:12] Speaker A: It's the best idea. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Okay, great. [00:01:15] Speaker A: Just give you a bit of insight into what I mean here. Right. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Now I've noticed. And look, I'm not. I'm not kind of crying over this. I. I'm talking about this in good humor, right? [00:01:31] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Perfectly cheerful about all this. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:34] Speaker A: But the last couple of years, fucking hell, my cognitive decline has really gone up a couple of years. [00:01:42] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, sure. [00:01:45] Speaker A: Even. Even. Even now when I'm living a very clean life. [00:01:50] Speaker B: True. Yeah, I am. [00:01:51] Speaker A: I know. Drake. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Sally over there. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Yeah, completely. Completely. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't drunk since New York. [00:01:58] Speaker B: And not even that much. [00:01:59] Speaker A: I'm not even that much. I had like one night on the beers at the karaoke and that was it. Yeah. But even. Even. So, right. Give you an example. Right? We give an example. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:09] Speaker A: Yesterday. Yeah, Yesterday, right. Went on a little errand for my darling wife and life partner, Laura. [00:02:24] Speaker B: Oh, good. Well, we remember this. So we're doing great so far. [00:02:29] Speaker A: She asked me, before she took the boys out to some Christmas party or whatever, she asked me to take her car and just take it down to the Tesco's petrol station, right. And put some fuel in for her and sort out the air in her tires. Right, sure. Right. Yeah, yeah, no problem, love. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Easy peasy. [00:02:51] Speaker A: No problem. Yep. Won't be long. 10 minutes. Um, Corrie, I took my car. I took the wrong fucking car. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Honestly, I would do that. So, you know. But I'm guessing what you're saying is a few years ago you would not have done that. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And what is at the same time kind of reassuring and crushing is that Owen stopped me, right. He ran out the door to dad. That's the wrong car. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Okay. I was gonna say. When did you notice? [00:03:28] Speaker A: Because, Because Laura had said to him, just Owen, just check he's in the right car. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Oh, I need. Wow. Dang, that's rough, isn't it? [00:03:44] Speaker A: Is it, is it that noticeable then? [00:03:48] Speaker B: Like, did you ask her about that? Were you like, does my brain seem like it's not working to you? [00:03:54] Speaker A: I didn't ask her. No. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:57] Speaker A: But I didn't feel I needed to because I feel it in myself, right. I. I feel it very pointedly in myself. [00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Like literally daily, every day. Again, today it's happened. Today I went upstairs for something and walked right past it and was halfway up, you know, halfway up the. The hallway before I turned around. Oh, no. Walk past. This is what I was meant to be doing. Turned around and corrected myself. It happens daily. [00:04:28] Speaker B: And you're sure this didn't happen before? Because this sounds like standard ADHD shit. Well, like, is it like, have you maybe just noticed it more because you're like home more like, you know what I mean? Like, are you sure you didn't do this before or are you more self aware of this kinds of stuff or has the circumstances changed? I think that make it so that this is more obvious. [00:04:55] Speaker A: I'd like to think that I've always been quite self aware, right. I. I'm not if I, if I've got one quality is that I think a lot about what I'm doing and the world around me. Right. Often to a false introspective dude. Yes, yes, yes. And I've noticed it way more in the last maybe year, maybe a bit less. 8 to 12 months. It's happening all the time. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:05:25] Speaker A: And what the fuck is up with that? Listeners, darling listeners. I'll be 46, right? In nine days time. [00:05:35] Speaker B: In just nine days. [00:05:36] Speaker A: 46 years old. Now, does that seem young to be experiencing what I perceive to be a pretty pointed cognitive decline? Is it too soon? [00:05:57] Speaker B: I mean, like we've, we've talked about this a few times. Like the fact that in the COVID era, this is pretty true of most people. If you have, especially if you've had repeat COVID infections, you know, the brain not functioning as well as it did before is like pretty standard. And I know a lot of people, even younger than you, people my age and things like that, who. It's the same sort of thing. I mean, again, the stuff that you're talking about feels very like adhd. But the, yeah, the cognitive decline Thing certainly is a thing in the, you know, Covid era. [00:06:39] Speaker A: Right. Stop me. I mean, you know more about this than I do. Right. But ADHD and associated conditions are long, are lifetime things, aren't they? It ain't something that kicks in, it isn't something that develops. [00:07:00] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, but one of the things about. [00:07:02] Speaker A: That, that's why I'm writing that off. [00:07:03] Speaker B: I get that. But I will say that a lot of times you aren't necessarily aware of the ADHD shit that you do throughout your life. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Specifically or gender. [00:07:15] Speaker B: No, no, no. All people. Like most people who aren't, like, diagnosed when they're, you know, eight. Especially because, like, it's more obvious when you have, like, the hyperactive kind. Right. Like. Cause then people are like, that kid's annoying. We need to put him on medications or whatever. And that's usually the ones who get, like, diagnosed with adhd. For, like, people like me who grow up, like, you know, functioning and, you know, passing through everything in a way that, like, doesn't set off any signals. A lot of times it's not until way later that you start going, oh, fuck, I do this thing. I did not realize I was doing that. But I do that thing now. So there is a degree of, like. [00:07:58] Speaker A: You may not have noticed, there are pockets of that in my life. And you know, that I'm kind of, you know, looking into this and I'm on and I'm waiting for some kind of assessment. [00:08:08] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, nine year waitlist. [00:08:10] Speaker A: Well, they've bumped that down to a year. [00:08:13] Speaker B: Oh, hey. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Nice. [00:08:15] Speaker A: Because I cried. You know what I mean? I fucking emailed. I'm not gonna have a fucking job in nine years. And you know. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Come on, get this shit together. [00:08:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And things like kind of my moods and my sensitivity to noise and my social awkwardness and all that kind of thing. But this doesn't feel like that. [00:08:34] Speaker B: This feels separate from this doesn't feel. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Like that at all. And it's very pointed and very noticeable. So what I thought I'd do. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Right, okay. Yeah. [00:08:46] Speaker A: To kind of try and let's make. Let's feel worse about it. Right? [00:08:53] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. Should we feel worse? Let's go in. Why not? That's what we do here. [00:08:56] Speaker A: What I thought I'd do is I thought I would have a little bit of a look and a bit of a think and a bit of research. Why don't we talk a bit about what other things are in decline on average, in a 46 year old, nominally healthy human male, like Myself. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Right, okay. Excellent. Yeah, let's do it. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Stuff which I can't even see, the stuff which hadn't even occurred to me might be fucking on the way out, because there's a lot. [00:09:29] Speaker B: It's an interesting. Yeah, there's like a ton of shit going on. And I like. Aging is such a fascinating process. Like, it's incredible how it works and the fact that, like, I'm. This is an extemporaneous thought. So pardon me for how circular it's going to be as I think through this, but the idea that, like, you know, in the past, people didn't live super long because of the lack of the medicine that we have now, right? So people dying at very young ages, 30, 40 years old or whatever, was very normal for a good chunk of human history until we started, you know, improving this, that and the other thing, and people start living longer. And one of the bananas things about aging is the fact that, like, you know, everything that happens as you get older, like, didn't happen to those people who are dying at, like 30 or 40, because they're basically just your body, your cells breaking down. So, like, essentially, for. If we were to live long enough, like, even the healthiest person on earth, if you were to live to 150 years old, eventually you'd, like, get cancer because it's just like part of your body breaking. [00:10:46] Speaker A: Recently, I've heard cancer described as a genetic certainty, a genetic inevitability. [00:10:52] Speaker B: Like, right now, one in three people get cancer. If we lived long enough. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:10:57] Speaker B: It would be three and three. [00:10:58] Speaker A: The only reason you don't get cancer is because you die of something else first. [00:11:01] Speaker B: It's because you die. Yes, right, exactly. That's a wild reality. Like, it's just what our body does eventually. [00:11:08] Speaker A: But, I mean, doesn't that. [00:11:10] Speaker B: What. [00:11:11] Speaker A: Oh, and look, this is to remove the emotional from this and to remove the familial and the social from this. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Mm. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Then what fucking right do we think we have to try and cure it? To throw all of our resources. What are you gonna do, cure death? You're gonna cure genetic inevitabilities? Are we. Are we Icarus? Is that what you wanna do? Fuck off. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Well, I mean, but to that point, you could say that about anything, right? Like, the only reason we live as long as we do is because of the interventions we've done to stop the mechanisms of death that normally kill us. So cancer is no different than that. It's just one of the many things, you know, we should die of the flu, but we have vaccines and medications to stop us from dying of the flu. [00:12:01] Speaker A: You know, flu isn't a kind of a hard coded genetic off switch for people, is it? [00:12:10] Speaker B: No. Cancer more than anything seems like like, but consider like disability, right? Like I remember, you know, I went to school with people with cystic fibrosis. And you, you know, it was just like for a long time, like you will die at like 16 period. And they have figured out ways that, I mean, I still don't think they live forever, but like you can make it into your 30s or 40s. Kids with down syndrome. You know, kids with down syndrome used to die when they were very, very young. And now you have, you know, perfectly healthy middle aged old people. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Very vivid memories of a kid on my street when I was growing up with muscular dystrophy, which obviously, you know, it was blatant from. We lived a couple of doors down and we just, you know, it was, it was, it was just latent. But thinking back, that kid had a really fucking debilitating, what must have been painful life limiting condition. And no, he's no longer with us. [00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I would imagine, like I knew kids with muscular dystrophy when I was a kid too, and they're probably not with us either. But you know, disability is hardwired into people and thankfully we have figured out how to stave off just being like those people are going to die. [00:13:32] Speaker A: But cancer is hardwired into all people. [00:13:36] Speaker B: Well, so is disability. Everyone, if you live long enough will be disabled, period. There is no human being on earth who will live into old age and not be disabled in one way or another. Whether that's cognitively, pretty much everyone physically it is. Yeah, but we're talking about like, you know, the loss of mobility, the loss of cognitive function. We're talking about, you know, basically the things that let you function in society as normal. We will all lose that eventually, I guess, unless you die of something else. [00:14:17] Speaker A: There's a bit, there's a bit of a reach here. Right. But above and beyond all other conditions, cancer is life kind of, it's life's full stop. It's life going, sorry, nope, you don't carry on from this one. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:34] Speaker A: You know, you can't adapt to that. You can't, it's, it's very much the end. It's genetically, it's your body and life as a whole going, all right, you gotta die now. Enough. [00:14:46] Speaker B: I mean, I get what you're saying in terms of this distinction. I just think, you know, on the other hand, like There's a lot of things that are life ending if not to every single person on Earth, to groups of people on Earth and we, you know, we find ways to stave that off because people shouldn't suffer and people should get to live full lives. So that's my only, you know, argument against that. I get where you're going with this, that like we're staving off something that inevitably comes for us, but that doesn't mean, you know. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:16] Speaker B: That we shouldn't give people extra time because we are able to do that. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Ah, yeah. I don't know about where I fucking stand. I don't. [00:15:38] Speaker B: I mean, it's. That's why it's hard to like take that, you know, to say, take the emotion out of it. Take the family or things like that. Because I mean, what are we except for those things, Right? Otherwise we're just a bag of meat with cancer. That's it. You have to consider those elements of it. Otherwise, you know. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah, you've eaten at KFC then. [00:16:05] Speaker B: Indeed. But yeah, if you take all of that kind of stuff out of it, then it's like, yeah, what's the point of saving any part of us really? [00:16:12] Speaker A: You said something a few weeks back that stuck with me, not for the first time, that has challenged some points of view that I've long thought of as immutable in me. That if. That it's the systems that need to change, not less people. [00:16:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:16:33] Speaker A: Yes. The systems that we, that we live around and amidst, they have to go. Not culling humans or reducing. Reducing population. See, I've. I've long, I've long been of the mind that you've gotta reduce at both ends. So limit birth rates and be less precious about extending life. Yeah. I've thought that attacking it from those two ends might be the solution. [00:17:07] Speaker B: Right. But if the structures don't change will not help anything. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Yeah. We'll just end up back in the same place. [00:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah. A lot of dead poor disabled and old folks and still the same climate problems and things like that. [00:17:24] Speaker A: But on the other hand. On the other hand, the systems ain't changing. Fire the rubbish into space because nothing else is fucking changing. It ain't happening. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Fine. Fire the rubbish into space, but you still have to not let marginalized people die. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, I can't argue with that. [00:17:49] Speaker B: I think we can. We can meet in the middle this one, find some common ground. You can shoot the trash in the space, but. [00:17:58] Speaker A: And we'll talk more about that a bit later on in this episode, okay? [00:18:02] Speaker B: But yeah, let's go into more of, more of the things that your 46 year old body. [00:18:08] Speaker A: If I, if I could, if I could kind of do one of those cool kind of, you know, like Hannibal when he killed that, those people and put them in an art gallery on slides. Okay, yeah, if I could do one of those to myself yet still live and look at my, my thrumming, beating systems, I'd see some of, I'd see some of this kind of shit first. I mean, it goes out saying that my muscular kind of skeletal system is on the way out, right. I'm in the beginning stages of something called sarcopenia, which is sarcopenia, slow kind of atrophy in my muscle mass. Friends, after 40, I'm gonna lose about between 1 and 2% of my muscle mass annually every year. [00:18:57] Speaker B: This is. Hey, listen. Yeah, let me preach here because this is the thing I always say. My trainer used to always say to me, you gotta age, proof your body and build that muscle up beforehand because as you get older that shit goes, prefer to rebuild. [00:19:11] Speaker A: And you know, the one thing that does, I think, stand me in good stead against the oncoming wastage that my body is going through is the fact that I'm still exercising and I'm still active as fuck, around 10k, not the day before yesterday. So I'm doing my best to stave off that fucking osteoporosis, that sarcopenia. Obviously my joints are on the way out, my cartilage is on the way out. [00:19:38] Speaker B: The kind of relatable. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Yep. The fluid in my joints, something called synovial fluid, is reducing so that my joints are becoming stiffer and just general mobility, muscle mass, skeletal density, all on the decline. Right? [00:19:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So like you said, you work out a ton. You know, you run, you lift when you get the chance, things like that. Do you feel that yet? The stiffening, all of that stuff. Is it harder than it was five years ago for you in the gym? [00:20:11] Speaker A: No, it isn't. Okay, right. So that's one thing that at least I'm not noticing yet. And I haven't, I haven't actually been to the gym to lift weights in a while thanks to my shoulder giving me fucking grief. [00:20:21] Speaker B: Oh, wait, I haven't felt that at all. [00:20:23] Speaker A: Hang on. [00:20:26] Speaker B: Incredible. Mark Lewis. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Oh, no. Oh, shit. But I, but I put that down to just like shit form and repetitive strain rather than. [00:20:37] Speaker B: It's certainly a part of it. [00:20:40] Speaker A: I'm sure that's a joag moment right there. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Perfect. [00:20:47] Speaker A: As you'd expect, my cardiovascular Functionality is also on the decline. Thickening of the kind of tissues in my heart. Diastolic function, ventricular kind of thickness. They are that. Elasticity is on the way out. Blood pressure probably on the way up, thanks to arteriosclerosis. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Listen, I'm so annoyed with this. This could be. Okay, listen. So I went to the gyno. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Oh, cool. [00:21:17] Speaker B: A week ago, two weeks ago. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Somewhere in that vicinity. [00:21:20] Speaker A: Here we go. [00:21:22] Speaker B: What? [00:21:22] Speaker A: Here we go. All right. [00:21:25] Speaker B: It's not that interesting. I just wanna, like, this is one of those, like. I don't know if it's an aging thing or just a stress thing or what, but obviously I. Last year, like, so today is 11 months of having not had any alcohol or anything like that. Right? Amazing. Yeah, crazy amazing. One month short of the sober 20, 24. That's bananas. But. So I haven't had any alcohol or anything like that. I walk constantly, right. You know, several miles a day, all that kind of stuff. You know, I eat well. I've done a lot of really nice lifestyle changes over the course of this past year. [00:22:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:07] Speaker B: I've lost, like £15 over the course of this year. You know, like, just like, not like any crazy transformation or anything like that, but like, just the kinds of things that come with you. Just treating your body better. Right. And I went to the gyno and they took my blood pressure and it's like hypertension level. How. [00:22:32] Speaker A: What? [00:22:32] Speaker B: How I did all the good things. How am I at hypertension when, like, it was, you know, 10, 15 points lower on both last year. Now it can't. Sometimes my blood pressure is really high in doctor's offices because I tend to, like, come in, like, rushing because I couldn't, like, you know, there was trouble in the parking lot or things like that. [00:22:55] Speaker A: But they aren't generally filled out places, are they? [00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah, she's about to stick cold metal inside of me. It is not going to be a fun time. Also, I hadn't had any water or anything, so dehydration apparently can make it, like, appear higher than it is. But I was still really miffed with this. Like, is this. [00:23:13] Speaker A: You'd be right to be miffed at that. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Like, is this just getting older, like you said, like, the blood pressure is just, like, rising. [00:23:21] Speaker A: Well, yeah, you just is. You can expect that to happen as a result of heart function decreasing, blood vessels becoming constricted. That arteriosclerosis I talked about. Have you had your cholesterol done recently? Your lipids? [00:23:37] Speaker B: I have, yes. I had that at my physical all my other numbers are wonderful. Great. No problem. It's just the blood pressure that is. [00:23:44] Speaker A: The issue because it wouldn't be, you know, too far off the glide path if you were to find that your cholesterol was up, that your lipids were up. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Mmm. It just kind of goes up with age as well. Is it related to anything else? Like, is it like habits or anything like that? Or it's just a natural thing your body does. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Oh, diet and exercise make an impact, right? Diet and exercise make a great impact. So you're doing the right things, hey? Yes, yes, yes, yes. As a fellow, I can expect all my endocrine system to just quietly start to fucking give up. So testosterone's on the way down. My metabolic kind of functionality is on the way down. Fat fucking around the abdomen, you know what I mean? Basal kind of baseline metabolic rate, that's on the way out. My thyroid function is on the way down. That's all happening inside me without me even being aware of it or anything like that. Now, now this is interesting. I'm drawing. I'm connecting dots here, right? [00:24:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:24:54] Speaker A: I get dizzy as fuck all the time when I stand up or even when I just move around. [00:24:59] Speaker B: You got the pots? [00:25:00] Speaker A: What's that? [00:25:01] Speaker B: You kyo. Absolutely has this too. I have it. It's pretty normal with eds, Post something or other. Tachycardia system syndrome. [00:25:12] Speaker A: Oh, was this when. [00:25:13] Speaker B: Are you familiar with pots? [00:25:14] Speaker A: No, I'm not. Not at all. [00:25:18] Speaker B: So it's basically the main thing about it is you stand up and you get dizzy. [00:25:23] Speaker A: Well, yeah. Remember when I smashed my nose in at that gig earlier on in the year? [00:25:27] Speaker B: That's right. [00:25:28] Speaker A: That's what that was. [00:25:28] Speaker B: You hadn't been drinking or anything? [00:25:30] Speaker A: No, Fuck no. Absolutely not. But I stood up, went into a. Went from outside into the warm venue and down Google pots. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Right? Now look at the symptoms. Let's go through it. Let's see how we're. Let's see if it. If it rings true to you. I didn't know it was happening regularly all the time. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Even still now, when I was fucking pegging that fucking inflatable dinosaur out in front of my house a couple of times, I thought I was going pegging it. Yeah, like hammering pegs. Oh, Corey, you're better than that. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Listen, phrasing let me down. [00:26:11] Speaker A: Postural tachycardia syndrome. Is that what we're talking about? But your heart rate increases very quickly after getting up. Last time I had my blood pressure done, I'm told that it's on the low end of the scale, if not like too low, is that. That's probably a concubine, isn't it? [00:26:26] Speaker B: Could be, yeah, absolutely. What else does it say there? [00:26:29] Speaker A: Abnormally large increase in heart rate upon sitting up or standing. [00:26:36] Speaker B: See, this is what. So like all of these kinds of things that happen, there's like, you know, these weird little fatigue things and stuff like that with it. [00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:44] Speaker B: I think when I was going through that thing that I went to, the doctor was like terrified that I had like cancer or something a couple years ago. And the doctor was like, we'll figure it out, we'll figure it out. We know like the test coming back fine and all that. I think it was how POTS was manifesting in my body. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. Oh, wicked. [00:27:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's. It's rare, but not that rare. Like, this is a. I do turns. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Out fluttery heart from time to time as well. And I'm like, oh, that's unusual. And then it goes away and I'm fine. [00:27:22] Speaker B: There you go. And I think it's often comorbid with things that go along with neurodivergence as well. So, you know, lots of the neurodivergence symptoms, other symptoms. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Right, so hands and feet looking purple. No, I don't have that. I've got beautiful hands. [00:27:39] Speaker B: No, I don't get that either. Kyo does though. [00:27:42] Speaker A: Does he? Problems with thinking, memory and concentration way. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Whoa. We are onto something here. Hello. Did we just solve it? Did we just solve I got the stressful moment in your life with one Google search. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Some things can make your symptoms worse, such as being in a hot place. Smashed my fucking nose in. Yeah, honestly, I spoke to the guy I was with, a really good friend of mine from work. Guy called Dan, and. Not that Dan, different Dan. And he thought I would died. He thought I was dead. It was really, really fucking worrying and traumatic for him because I kind of came to and blacked out like two or three times and each time I would bang my head on the floor again, there was a load of blood. [00:28:43] Speaker B: That's horrifying. [00:28:44] Speaker A: Oh, this is. This is fascinating. Some things can make your symptoms worse, such as resting too much and exercise. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really fun that, like anything can make it happen. Well, fuck. [00:28:56] Speaker A: I shall look more into this because that. [00:28:58] Speaker B: Yeah, look more into it, see if that might be it. [00:29:00] Speaker A: I think that warrants further study. [00:29:04] Speaker B: Right. I think it's amongst the many things now that, like, it turns out people have thought this was rare for ages. Right. Same with, like, EDS or ADHD or things like that. And it's like. It's just like, people didn't diagnose it, but now that people talk about it, it's like, oh, a lot of people. [00:29:24] Speaker A: Have this with the neurodiversity bit. Right. I am also very aware of self diagnosing and confirmation bias and recency bias. You know, definitely. I'm very aware of that. And the last thing I want is to, you know, self determine something which isn't necessarily true or, you know, I don't. I don't want to be one of those fucking. [00:29:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Which, you know, the way that I always look at it is, you know. Yeah. You don't want to then become like, you know, the reason you can't do things or stuff like that and, like, talk yourself into, like, some diagnosis that makes you. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:30:09] Speaker B: The point is to use it as, like, a tool. Right. Like, if I know this thing about myself, I know how to regulate it. Right. I can take certain strategies to. Towards sort of mitigate it. And then if it turns out that it's not, you know, you're not autistic, you're not adhd, you're not. Whatever. It's just your, like, personality or whatever. Oh, no. You've developed tactics to deal with something that. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a great point. [00:30:32] Speaker B: That's a great point. Right. Like, as long as it doesn't become, like, a thing that is your. This holds me back from everything. Because I think I have. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:40] Speaker B: This thing. Instead, use those, you know, figure out if coping strategies that people use for those. [00:30:47] Speaker A: That's a great point. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Can help. [00:30:48] Speaker A: That's a great point. That's a great point. But this pot thing has really opened my eyes. Very interesting. [00:30:54] Speaker B: Yeah. It's so funny that you've never mentioned before that this, like, has happened multiple times. I would have mentioned. [00:31:00] Speaker A: I call it. [00:31:01] Speaker B: Both me and Keough deal with this. [00:31:03] Speaker A: It's a running kind of. We call the family. We all. We call it the dizzies. Dad's got the dizzies. I often stand up or just, you know, going about the day, and I have to pause and maybe put my head down all the time. Like, all the time. Oh, Daddy got the dizzies. Yep. All the time. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know if there's anything that, like, they can do about it, although I know that, like, it can, like, lifestyle things can help with it. I don't think there's, like, a cure or a pill or anything like that. That they can give you for it, though. At least not according to my doctor. [00:31:38] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Okay. Well, let's just rattle through a few more of these. I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's all stuff you do expect. [00:31:43] Speaker B: Maybe we'll solve more things. [00:31:47] Speaker A: So, yes, cognitive function. So your synaptic responses, you know, processing speed, memory, that kind of thing is on the way down. Something a wonderful term called nerve conduction velocity. So the speed at which your nerves are able to relay signals between one another, that's on the way down. So your reflexes are going to start to decrease. Decline. Sorry, my reflexes are gonna start to decline. [00:32:13] Speaker B: I don't. You don't need that. Let me tell you, my baby deer of a co host. [00:32:20] Speaker A: Thanks, hon. Skin is gonna get thinner. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Oh, that's. That one creeps me out. [00:32:27] Speaker A: The creepy skin, that papery kind of old man. [00:32:30] Speaker B: I don't like that. Like, can we do anything about that? Is there a. Is there something we can do about crepe skin? [00:32:38] Speaker A: Well, you know the supplement hucksters would say collagen. [00:32:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure. You know, can they inject it into me? Like, is that a thing? [00:32:49] Speaker A: The substance. [00:32:49] Speaker B: I don't need, like, cosmetic surgery. Yeah, I am. I'm asking for the substance. But to keep my skin from being. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Gross, you know, I would fucking sign up for this substance in a fucking heartbeat. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Specifically for the weird side effects. [00:33:06] Speaker A: I would fight. I would fight myself. I would find a way to be awake at the same time as myself and I would fight myself. Remember, I am one. Nah, none of that. Remember, there can be only one. Yeah, let's see. Sensory organs. So, you know, your eyes, your hearing, all that's going to go interestingly, your digestive system, your gastrointestinal bits are properly gonna start to decline. Liver function, all of that is on the way down. You know how. You know how your. Your. Your kind of. Your microbiome, you know, all your flora, your intestinal flora, all of that is gonna start thinning out. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Ah, I like my microbiome. [00:33:48] Speaker A: I'm a big fan of my microbiome. We're in touch. [00:33:53] Speaker B: It's been working out for me all this time. This is not entirely true. I did used to throw up a lot, but I've mostly stopped. So I feel like it's working pretty well in middle age. [00:34:04] Speaker A: What. What would be the triggers that would make you vomit then? [00:34:09] Speaker B: Just like anything. Just like mild discomfort. Like, I don't like this situation. [00:34:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think she'll mind too much me talking about it. But that doesn't happen at all anymore. But in Laura's youth, she was a nervous vomiter. [00:34:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they used to. I think I've said this before, but my family used to call me the Vomitous one. [00:34:32] Speaker A: Oh, really? Oh, that's. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Any form of discomfort and just. Yeah. And many terrible family nicknames, you know, that was. It was a very accurate one, though. It's just if I ate something mildly wrong, if I got nervous about something, anything, just. I still get a little nauseated sometimes, but, like. Yeah, I don't usually spew. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Hmm. Okay, good, good. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. [00:35:02] Speaker B: And I'd like for it to remain that way. [00:35:04] Speaker A: Um, and that. That's. That's kind of it, really. [00:35:10] Speaker B: That's it. Just like the whole body, everything. [00:35:13] Speaker A: Pretty much all of the systems are. As I speak right now, Corrigan listeners, all of my systems are in decline. And there's, you know, reproductive system that's on the way down. My little swimmers. Less mobile. Slower. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Listen, Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are still going, Right? [00:35:35] Speaker A: That's an excellent point. [00:35:37] Speaker B: You know, you said, like, testosterone is down, and then, so, like, hairiness comes from testosterone, Right. Like, I think bald fellas often are hairy everywhere else because of, like, testosterone. It's like a high testosterone thing. Right? So, like, do hairy dudes get less hairy when they, well, get old? [00:36:03] Speaker A: Look, you've talked about going to the gyno, so. Fuck it. It's that kind of episode. [00:36:08] Speaker B: Yeah, let's. Let's go. [00:36:10] Speaker A: I'm only bawling on the top, you know? Right, yeah. Now, does that mean I'm not going gray anywhere else? No. If you know what I'm saying. [00:36:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, no. I have this issue as well, and I don't like it. I don't like that at all. I told Kyo. I was like, I have to go to the waxer because this will not stand. I can't. Look at that. [00:36:40] Speaker A: You know, the one place I'm quite looking forward to going grey, that is My beard. Doesn't seem to be happening. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Yeah, does it's not doing it. [00:36:47] Speaker A: You know, if anything, I've got the odd fleck of maybe, like, strawberry blonde. I've got the odd kind of ginger patch here and there, which isn't doing it for me. [00:36:54] Speaker B: Why do pubes get old? What's that about? [00:36:56] Speaker A: Why do pubes get old? Da, da da da da. No. Yeah. Chess is the odd PM going. Great. [00:37:14] Speaker B: Like, is that. Is there science to that or is that just Coincidence. [00:37:17] Speaker A: I'm not googling. Why do. Fuck it. I am. Why do. [00:37:21] Speaker B: Yes, you are. You google that right now. [00:37:23] Speaker A: Suddenly go gray. [00:37:28] Speaker B: It's just. It just seems. It seems like a bizarre coincidence. If it's not like a scientific. [00:37:33] Speaker A: The autocomplete for. Why do pubes. Here we go. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Ooh, hit me. [00:37:37] Speaker A: Why do pubes grow so fast? [00:37:41] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:41] Speaker A: Why do pubes itch? Why do. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Why do people contact dermatitis exist? [00:37:49] Speaker A: Existential question. [00:37:50] Speaker B: Hey, that's a. Yeah, that's a reasonable question. [00:37:52] Speaker A: Oh dear. Why do pubes hurt? [00:37:55] Speaker B: Oh, no, mate. If your pubes are hurting, get the to the doctor. [00:37:59] Speaker A: Yeah, you. Yeah, you want some lotion? Why do pubes smell? Get thee to the show. Yeah, right, sorry. Why did. This is the best episode of this podcast. Why do pubes go grey? [00:38:16] Speaker B: Everyone who thought they were upset there was no episode last week is now like, you know what? It's fine. It's okay. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Yeah, just decreasing in melanin. Just the same reason as your other hair goes. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Same as everything else. Just do we lose melanin from like the bottom up? Eileen, Eileen, Eileen, why. Why are my pubes gray? Eileen. [00:38:47] Speaker A: I'm going dizzy and my pubes are gray. Why? So there you go. That's all I got on that. [00:38:55] Speaker B: There you go. On that note, listeners, are your pubes great? Do you know why? [00:39:06] Speaker A: So good. Let me quote directly from my notes, if I may. [00:39:11] Speaker B: Yes, please do. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Fucking look at these nerds. Oh, mise en scene. [00:39:16] Speaker B: I don't think anyone has ever said mise en scene in such a horny way before. [00:39:20] Speaker A: The way I whispered with the word sex. Cannibal receive. [00:39:23] Speaker B: Worst comes to worst. Mark, I'm willing to guillotine you for science. [00:39:26] Speaker A: Thank you. That's really, really sweet. It's cold outside, but my pancreas is talking to me. I'm fucking. I'm gonna leg it. [00:39:33] Speaker B: You know how I feel about that, Mark. [00:39:35] Speaker A: I think you feel great about it. Alright, take us in. Yes. [00:39:41] Speaker B: Weirdo. You big weirdo. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Inevitable. [00:39:43] Speaker B: Great pubes. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Unstoppable. Irrepressible. Irrefutable. It's Jack of all Graves back once again with the fucking Renegade Master and hoping you're well. Oh, did that not reach. Did that not go over the pond? [00:39:59] Speaker B: The Renegade Master. [00:40:01] Speaker A: Back when. Yeah, Renegade Master. There was a boom. Late 90s. Early noughties in. [00:40:08] Speaker B: Okay. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Kind of commercial dance music sample. Heavy high bpm. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Sure. [00:40:15] Speaker A: And Renegade Master was just such a track. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Okay, nice. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Yeah. What we talking about? What we saying? I lost my train of thought. Then I had A train of thought. And it's completely. [00:40:28] Speaker B: I'm so sorry, that was on me. I just got distracted by. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Ah, here we go. Yes. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Not knowing a single term. [00:40:34] Speaker A: Have you given. Thanks listeners this week? [00:40:37] Speaker B: Really good question. [00:40:38] Speaker A: If you're in the Americans, then you will have. And I hope that was good for you. I hope you're suitably you know, hope you've gained a couple of pounds. I hope you haven't fallen out too badly with your racist family because they are. [00:40:51] Speaker B: That you did. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Oh. Actually, do you know why? Yeah, I hope you did. I hope you fucking threw a fucking petrol bomb at their car. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Just go all in, you know. [00:41:02] Speaker A: That was yours. How was yours? [00:41:03] Speaker B: Indeed it was. It was a delight. I got to talk to you. We played a little video game action which then. So it's on the Ko Fi if you haven't seen it yet. But the game. Ghost Wire. [00:41:17] Speaker A: Ghost Wire, Ghostwire Tokyo, which implies that there are other ghostwires. But I. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Right, yeah. Is it just the one? [00:41:26] Speaker A: As far as I know. [00:41:28] Speaker B: It was fun. So I made. I downloaded it. Such a great game and have made Kiyo play it and have been watching him play it the past couple days. But no, Thanksgiving was a delight. We've been living on leftovers. The best thing about, like, by this time it's Sunday, right? And a lot of people are going, I'm so sick of Thanksgiving leftovers. But like, Thanksgiving food is all safe food for me. I'm like, oh, I have to eat more mashed potatoes. Oh, no. Like, I can eat leftovers. [00:42:00] Speaker A: Safer food, you mean? What texturally acceptable flavors. All good, right? [00:42:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a common, like, neurodivergent term. Right. So foods that you can kind of always eat, the texture is right, the flavor is right. It doesn't like overwhelm any sensations in any weird ways. My biggest one is pasta. I eat like a Mac and cheese type thing of some sort, two, three times a week because it's just safe. It's always. It's always going to be right, you know? [00:42:29] Speaker A: Okay, so what are the danger foods then? [00:42:32] Speaker B: Oh, onions, especially red ones. Red onions are if they are anywhere in the vicinity. I want to hurry. [00:42:41] Speaker A: I love a red onion. [00:42:43] Speaker B: Most people apparently do. And it's like wild to me. [00:42:48] Speaker A: The crunch, the fucking heady, that burst of just flavor. They're also great value for money because they go a long way, you know what I mean? If you eat red onion, you're getting the fucking value from that for the rest of the day. [00:43:03] Speaker B: You know what I Mean, I guess so. I just know, like, if it is in the room, I cannot eat my food. So if someone gets like a salad and it has red onion on it, I can't eat what I'm eating because the smell is so overwhelming. I can't. Also. Avocados. The texture of an avocado. Horrifying. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Vital. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Artichokes. Artichokes are. I can't. Can't force my throat to accept an artichoke. [00:43:36] Speaker A: To the best of my knowledge, I have never. I've never eaten an artichoke. I've never willingly. An artichoke that I could. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Is that not a thing like. That they like here? Everyone loves artichokes. Artichokes dipped in butter and artichoke dip. [00:43:48] Speaker A: I mean, it's not like some exotic fucking you with your artichoke. [00:43:53] Speaker B: It's just not everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a. Oh, no, can't do it. Eggplant. Unless in the form of, like, the way I vial. Yeah. That sandwich that I had where it tastes like a meatball that I had. You try. Great. That's about the only way I'll do an eggplant. Otherwise horrifying. [00:44:12] Speaker A: No, see, zucchini. Hang on, here's my. Here's my cognitive decline. I can see it and I know exactly what an eggplant is in the uk, but I can't. I couldn't tell you the fucking name of it. [00:44:21] Speaker B: Purple aubergine. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Yes. Thank you. [00:44:24] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. I was gonna say courgette. And I'm like, no, that's a zucchini. Yeah. Don't like the squishy things like that. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Jack Walgraves. Sometimes we'll just list vegetables. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Sometimes that's what we do. This is a rambly one, guys. It's a holiday weekend. We missed you last week. But like I said, Mark is big and important at work, so we just couldn't squeeze it in. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Dial that right down, please. I'm fucking not. [00:44:56] Speaker B: I think you are. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Well, I'm fucking not. Right? I can't. [00:45:00] Speaker B: Well, in my head. Canon. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Well, yeah, look, if. If there's one thing I. If there's. If there's one fucking thing I have to hold on to, it's making an accurate representation of myself, right? It's. It's one of the only principles I've got left. Right? And I am in no way air quotes big or air quotes important. I am neither of those things. So representing me as that is. It presents a big moral fucking dilemma for me because I cannot allow that to continue. I'm a fucking schmo. [00:45:30] Speaker B: Oh my gosh. Sure. Okay, if you say so. [00:45:34] Speaker A: Okay, Well, I do. [00:45:35] Speaker B: You're six feet tall, so you're at least big. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Well, all right. Yes. Big at work on that. Factually, at least. That is accurate. [00:45:46] Speaker B: We'll stick with that. [00:45:47] Speaker A: Listen, all. All I hope is that this episode finds you well. You, Corey, my co host, and you our listeners. I hope you're. I really hope you're fucking well, because, you know, you've. You've got. You've got to cling on, haven't you? You've got to find. We're all adrift. We're all holding on to the yellow barrels and just trying to kick our way to shore. Yes. Singing Show Me the Way to Go home. And whoever you're on those barrels with, I hope they're a good fucking crew, mate. You know, I hope you've got somebody who you can. [00:46:18] Speaker B: I like it. Enjoy that Jaws metaphor. [00:46:20] Speaker A: I got more. The wheels haven't come off yet. No, they have, they have, actually. [00:46:25] Speaker B: You will notice if you're watching the video version of this. I don't have hair anymore. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Now this leads me on to a question. How. How did it feel immediately after? Because your voluminous hair, the amount of hair that hitherto this week you were carrying around with you. I. When I can't directly see you and somebody mentions Corrigan, I think of you and your fucking amazing big crystal tips here, right? Crystal tips. That's another British reference that you might not get. [00:47:03] Speaker B: Okay, Crystal tips. Crystal tips. [00:47:05] Speaker A: Crystal tips. And Alastair, a animated cartoon from the 80s by the same studio who I think did. Mr. Ben. King Rollo, maybe Pigeon street couldn't tell you who the studio called, but this. [00:47:19] Speaker B: All sound like you're bullshitting. [00:47:21] Speaker A: None of these are real things. King Rollo. Mr. Ben Pigeon street and crystal Tips. And Alastair, the adventures. [00:47:28] Speaker B: Sure. [00:47:29] Speaker A: I believe dialogue free to like a kind of a disco funk kind of bass heavy soundtrack. [00:47:35] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:36] Speaker A: The adventures of a young girl and her dog. And she had big fucking hair. Did crystal tips. So maybe look at that. But when somebody mentions Corrie to me, I think of the big hair. So how did it feel? Kind of divesting yourself of that physical. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Characteristic, you know, it's always scary to do. It's not the first time that I've ever done this, just in case. [00:48:05] Speaker A: You look great. You look like Egon Spengler from the Real Ghostbusters. And I love the real Ghostbusters. That is a compliment. [00:48:11] Speaker B: Oh, me too. That was a favorite of mine, and I've said it about myself, so it's. [00:48:16] Speaker A: Not like, okay, fine. [00:48:17] Speaker B: I feel like you're. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Plus, you got round glasses. [00:48:19] Speaker B: I feel insulted by this. I do have round glasses. [00:48:22] Speaker A: See what I'm saying? [00:48:23] Speaker B: I've always just been a little bit Egon. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Let's. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Let's be real. No, I've. I've done it before, and it's. Yeah, it's always, like, terrifying to do. And. Oh, my God, the first place that I tried to do to get it done, like, they were so mean. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Yeah, you said that. [00:48:39] Speaker B: I was like, maybe I. Maybe I. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Did you walk into, like, a white folk barber or something? [00:48:46] Speaker B: No, it was a black salon. But actually, the guy who ended up doing it kind of contextualized this for me, that he was like, the thing about, like, black hair salons now is that, like, weaves are their bread and butter. [00:48:59] Speaker A: Right? [00:49:00] Speaker B: And weaves cost, like, 7, $800, and then you have to do, like, maintenance every few weeks. That's another couple hundred dollars. And so they're not interested in, like, some dumbasses haircut. [00:49:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:14] Speaker B: They won't repeat business. She's like, yeah, right. Like, oh, you're gonna. I'm gonna get 150 bucks off you today or whatever. Cool. And not interested. And so she was heinous to me. But then I went to a guy who. He was like, show me a picture. I'll do it. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Did you just whip out just Egon on your phone? [00:49:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I would like the Egon Spengler, please. And he was, like, on it, and. No, it was great. Once it came off, it was, like, freeing. That's the. It's like the big chop is, like, a freeing thing, you know? And I feel like I can see my face, which is weird, you know? Like, it's a. I feel like I look like a different person now. It's like I can see all the, like, contours of my face and things like that, which is kind of fun. So. Yeah, it's. That's kind of fun. So this week I did that, and I got another tattoo. So it's been like a. You know, just go crazy. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Well, that's. You know, you. You don't. That's. That's your one setting, isn't it? [00:50:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. Yeah. Just. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Yes. [00:50:24] Speaker B: Fucking go Ink first. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Ask questions never. [00:50:28] Speaker B: Exactly 100%. They had, like, a small business Saturday deal I don't know if you know about. I'm sure some of this must come to the UK or whatever, but like, everything has Black Friday, small business Saturday. I don't know what the fuck they call Sunday, and then Cyber Monday. And it's just all the deals you get after Thanksgiving. And so the tattoo place was doing a small business Saturday deal for 80 bucks for a tattoo, and I was like, yeah, I'll sell something. And so like, yeah, make the appointment now. Figure out what you want later. [00:51:04] Speaker A: I just went for it. I don't have the impulsiveness that you do about ink. I have to fucking. It has to be right. I have to think it out. It's got to be. It has to stand the test of time. And, you know, there have been so many cases where I've been grateful for having that. Like, Diet Coke, for fuck's sake. Right? [00:51:25] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:51:26] Speaker A: I was so goddamn close to getting a fucking A tin of DC on me. So close. [00:51:32] Speaker B: That's true. You wouldn't think that that would be one that you would regret. [00:51:36] Speaker A: See? See, you can. You can never tell what's around the corner. What's that TV show that you. That little dude is from over the. [00:51:45] Speaker B: Garden wall, which I think you and your kids would have a great time with. It's basically. It's kind of a Halloween show, if you will. It just feels Halloweeny. But it's about two brothers, or half brothers, Wirt and Greg, who get lost in the woods and meet sort of a series of creepy characters along the way that pose various forms of threat that they have to overcome before they finally return home. And it is. It's just absolutely wonderful. Elijah Wood does Wirt's voice. Christopher Lloyd's in there. There's, like, all kinds of people in this cartoon, and it's just. It's delightful, full of memorable lines, little funny songs, and adorable animation. They're like 10 minute episodes or whatever, and it comes out to about, like, two hours total. [00:52:41] Speaker A: Is it still big record, a going concern. Is it still being produced? [00:52:45] Speaker B: No, it's just one season. That's it. [00:52:48] Speaker A: See, I'm nearly fucking these guys near. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. I was thinking about those during. While I was getting this, but I was like, there's not really anything. Like, there's no people attached. [00:53:02] Speaker A: Elijah Wood, though, you never know. [00:53:04] Speaker B: He's not on there. It's not Elijah Wood. It was like a kid who did the voice of Greg. Different character, but. [00:53:10] Speaker A: All right, so hypothetically, if Elijah Wood is outed as a monster with a close association to a property that you have inked on you, could you continue with that? I'd have to get that Later. [00:53:24] Speaker B: No, I think it's the thing about this, as opposed to like, say, Rick and Morty, right? Like, where Justin Roiland was like, he's the voice, he's the creator, he's, you know, the writer, all of that kind of stuff. It's like that's, that's a little tricky. You know, I have a Harry Potter tattoo. Thankfully doesn't look Harry pottery. So. But with over the garden wall, I was like, there's not. You don't attach any person to over the garden wall. [00:53:52] Speaker A: See the. [00:53:53] Speaker B: And so I think it's fine. [00:53:55] Speaker A: And I went as far as looking into laser clinics. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember you were like, fuck. [00:54:03] Speaker A: I gotta do something about that. The speed at which the show fucking dropped his ass. [00:54:08] Speaker B: Yeah, right. And that we found out he was like barely a part of it. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly, exactly. And legally he was deemed to. He didn't get any criminal charges. And the fact that the show. Absolutely. [00:54:23] Speaker B: I don't think that really impacts your tattoo choices because he clearly did what he's. [00:54:28] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But yeah, had, had, had the show maintained any kind of association with him, I would have had to have got rid. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:40] Speaker A: But just by the fucking skin, see? So I gotta think my tattoos through. Been burned. Gotta think em through. [00:54:46] Speaker B: So it's interesting. I mean, that's like, you know, the other thing is getting like pop culture tattoos as opposed to, you know, things that are not pop culture, I guess. Like I have the state of Massachusetts on me. [00:55:01] Speaker A: Everything is either pop culture or not, isn't it? [00:55:04] Speaker B: Right. Like, I have my home state tattooed on me. I have my grandmother tattooed on me. I have a teddy bear and a spirit space suit tattooed on me. You can't cancel a teddy bear in a space suit. [00:55:15] Speaker A: You can't cancel space. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Can't cancel my grandma, she ruled. [00:55:19] Speaker A: I wouldn't even try. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. So, big week. Hey. Just a thing that I want to say. We talked like a month or so ago about how I put undue pressure on myself mostly to, you know, make sure this podcast is out every week and it's on time and all these kinds of things we're delivering to folks and pretty much everyone responded on Facebook and whatnot and was like, it's fine. This is not like your full time job. And, you know, we understand that shit happens or whatever. And so I'm trying to be better about that. You know, like, obviously, as we talked about, this is how we keep the ship running. Right. Like one of us has to have a little anxiety about it. [00:56:08] Speaker A: But listen, do you know what? I spent a very, very pleasant kind of morning, early afternoon last week with my very, very good friend Angharad in London doing Taskmaster Live. And she asked about, you know, asked about Joag and mentioned how lovely it is that, you know, we're in our fifth year. Fantastic. She was, you know, lovely, Lewis. Really, really incredible and lovely that you've kept that up for so long. Which she then bookended that with, I know it's all Corrigan. And she's right. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Well, it's true and it's how we work, and that's fine. So that's to say December 22nd, the week before Christmas. There will be no Joag. I am, you know, normally when I'm on vacation, I squeeze it in. Anyway. Yeah, I'm going to be in Italy and we're only going to be there for a week. I'm just going to. I'm just going to say, no, no Joag. I'm going to go enjoy Natalie and Natalia. [00:57:15] Speaker A: Don't do that, though. That's how you don't do that out there. [00:57:18] Speaker B: What if I do that, though? [00:57:19] Speaker A: You'll get. [00:57:19] Speaker B: What if I do? [00:57:20] Speaker A: You'll get beaten. You'll get lynched. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Also, also, I will be doing Trash Tuesday. Trash, trash, trash on Hellrancors this fine week. And that's the theme. If you hear it once, you'll be singing it forever. But I will be doing that. We're going to be. They asked me to bring my expertise to Hellrankers this. This week, which is, of course, Hallmark Christmas movies. [00:57:58] Speaker A: Oh, great. [00:57:59] Speaker B: Okay. So we will be watching another December Hallmark movie. [00:58:03] Speaker A: You can do that now. [00:58:04] Speaker B: Perfectly fine. Yeah. We're in December now watching the lesbian Hallmark movie from last year, Friends and Family Christmas. And it'll be a delight. So make sure you're following the Hellrankers feed to enjoy that and make sure that you watch that movie to find out if it's trash or trash. It'll be a good old time. And the other thing is, we did watch Metropolis, sort of. [00:58:36] Speaker A: We saw a Metropolis in one particular guise. [00:58:40] Speaker B: Yes, yes. For snack to the future. But of course, like I said, Mark was busy last week and we just couldn't quite swing it. We did get the let's play up, but not quite this. So this Thursday, we will be recording our episode about Metropolis. [00:59:01] Speaker A: Delighted to have seen it. Got to say, delighted to have seen it. [00:59:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And if you would like to actually watch the version that we did before watching this, it is Giorgio Moroder. Giorgio Moroder. I don't know what? Like Giorgio seems Italian, but Marauder doesn't sound Italian. I don't know. But that's the version of Metropolis that you're looking for and it is a trip, so if you want to be right with us. But if you watched regular Metropolis, you'll be fine too. It's just. Just a different version. [00:59:37] Speaker A: I can't imagine how the non colorized rock opera version would be any more entertaining than that version. It was really good, really gripping. I enjoyed the fuck out of it. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Yeah, this was the version that was meant for you specifically, like for your attention span and like, oh, I'm gonna watch like an old silent movie. Let's do it as a rock opera. That is only 90 minutes. [01:00:05] Speaker A: Yeah, that's basically it worked out. Yep. Serve up all those old movies in that format and I'll just fucking chew through them. [01:00:13] Speaker B: It's gonna be great. I would very much like for you to watch the movie I assigned to you, though. [01:00:22] Speaker A: What was it called again? [01:00:23] Speaker B: The Robert Mitchum one. [01:00:24] Speaker A: Cape Fear. [01:00:26] Speaker B: Nope. We're gonna go through the same conversation we had last week. Not Cape Fear, the other Robert Mitchum movie where he has the love and hate things on his knuckles. [01:00:37] Speaker A: Cape Fear. [01:00:39] Speaker B: No fucking L, Mark. The movie that I had you download. My brain cannot. [01:00:47] Speaker A: All right? [01:00:48] Speaker B: I'm not the title of this movie. [01:00:50] Speaker A: It's fine. I've got it and I'm gonna watch it. [01:00:53] Speaker B: You have it and you need to watch it. Let's try to do that before the end of the year, see how it works out. [01:00:58] Speaker A: Let's talk about some movies, shall we? I mean, it's. [01:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah, let's talk about what we watched. [01:01:01] Speaker A: Which is you were not fucking. Here is proof positive. Here's the object lesson in how flat out have been with work over the past couple of weeks. It's been a fortnight since we've joined and I've watched two weeks. Three. Three movies in that. In those two weeks. That's insane. [01:01:18] Speaker B: That's gotta be some kind of record. [01:01:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And for the Brits, I'll just illustrate. So in the space of a day, right, I drove from Bicester to Plymouth and back. That was seven hours in the car insanity. A couple of days later, I drove from Bicester to Eastbourne and back. Another fucking six and a half, seven hours in the car. Just grueling. [01:01:43] Speaker B: See, even to me. Like, just even to me. That's a lot in a day. I just. That's too much. [01:01:51] Speaker A: Often in driving, rain, often in fucking, you know, in the dark. [01:01:56] Speaker B: I don't love that. [01:01:57] Speaker A: It was. It was intense. It's been a very intense couple weeks. [01:01:59] Speaker B: This mixed with the way you drive does not. I don't like it at all. [01:02:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I think that's one thing that I'm. That I'm. That I've improved at. I'm not the dickhead. [01:02:10] Speaker B: Because you have to travel so much, you're not driving better. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Good. I don't feel as though it's. It's as much of a risk in 2024 to get in a car with me as it. Maybe it was in 2022. [01:02:22] Speaker B: I mean, as I feel like it's a distraction is largely your problem. As long as you're focused. [01:02:27] Speaker A: I like to. I like the noise and the. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Right. You've got too many things going on. You've got a map on your console and the map on your watch and you're checking and comparing radio. Like, no, stop. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:41] Speaker A: I do like to be distracted. [01:02:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So. [01:02:45] Speaker B: So let's. Let's talk about what we watched in the past. [01:02:48] Speaker A: Fortnite amidst. Why is Fortnite funny to you? Is that not a word? [01:02:52] Speaker B: We just don't say that. No, we don't. It's not a. We don't use it at all. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Fascinating. [01:02:59] Speaker B: And it sounds like it's like Jane Austeny, right? Like it's used in Little Women. It's like something from the 1700s. So. Yeah. [01:03:11] Speaker A: Just three moving pictures have I managed to visualize in the last fortnight Corrigan. Such has been the intense demands of my working life amidst these movies. Mind you, I do want to talk about love, death and robots, because this is one that I've had on the back burner for ages and the one I'm ripping through on Netflix. Oh, man. Oh, really good. Really fucking good. Anthology series. Every episode is a completely different kind of thugs, future shocks kind of tale. Sci fi, horror, cyberpunk themes, monsters, aliens, killings, murders. [01:03:56] Speaker B: See, I feel like the, like, poster for this, you know, or whatever they put up on Netflix. Does it know justice? Because I would not have gotten any of that from it. It's just like the words love, death, robots or whatever with like a little XY thing on it. Like so. And do you know how Netflix descriptions are where they just say, like, so and so is in this epic sci fi picture. [01:04:19] Speaker A: And you're like, it tells me nothing. Tells me absolutely nothing. [01:04:23] Speaker B: So I would never have clicked on that. [01:04:25] Speaker A: It. It skews. I mean, if I had One criticism of love, death and robots is that it does Skew a little bit kind of sweaty teenage boy. It's, it's a bit kind of tits like heaving bosoms. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Would not have imagined that. [01:04:41] Speaker A: It's, it's, it's certainly a lot of it is from. Is through the male lens. Read into that how you will noted. But it's wildly inventive. It's every episode, you know, packs in the fucking content. You get real fucking meat, real stories, real characters and real innovation in the space of like sometimes 11 minute episodes. I'm a big fan and you know, produced by David Fincher and Tim Miller. Some of the talent. For example, one of the episodes I had, I just watched had two characters. One was fucking Topher Grace. And is it Winstead? Mary Elizabeth Winstead. [01:05:31] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:05:32] Speaker A: Lovely. You know what I mean? Just a two hander of those two with a rapidly developing civilization in their freezer. Great, wicked stuff. Really fun. [01:05:43] Speaker B: You know, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is such a funny actress because she is in like 95% shit. Right. Like most movies she's in are bad, but she's like so likable. [01:05:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:00] Speaker B: That like you can't help but root for her anyway. It's like you wouldn't have that much patience for most actors. You know, you would like be like, they're in shit. They must be. She's not. Everyone loves Mary Elizabeth Winston. [01:06:13] Speaker A: The only two movies I can recall her in really are Scott Pilgrim, which I love. [01:06:18] Speaker B: I hate Scott Pilgrim, but that is not what I'm fine. I'm not referring to that as shit because I know a lot of people love that one. That's what I'm referring to. [01:06:26] Speaker A: In fact, you know what? I've got to sit Peter down and watch Scott Pilgrim. I think he's in the right fucking phase of his life to really enjoy Scott Pilgrim and the Thing. The remake of the Thing, which you can all fuck off, is a fucking perfectly serviceable movie. The thing. Remake. Right, Requel, to use the vernacular, is actually fine. [01:06:54] Speaker B: I think fine is about it. Yeah. That was my take. Watching it, I was like, doesn't need to exist. It's fine, I guess. [01:07:03] Speaker A: Uh, Right. Okay. I'll go one further then. It's good actually. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that. I don't know if I can follow you down that route. [01:07:12] Speaker A: The characters are fun and. All right, fair enough. It's all right. Fair enough. It's a shiny sequence. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Even Apple disagrees with you, but gave you the thumbs down. [01:07:22] Speaker A: The monster is fantastic as well. Right. The act, the titular thing is great. There's a. I've Seen it a couple of times. And there's this one particular scene in the thing. It's 2011, I want to say where 2011. There's a bunch of them in a helicopter and you don't know if anyone is the thing or not, but one of them is the thing. And one. Somebody's face fucking cracks and splits open and it's brilliant. Oh, it's one of those kills. It's one of those effects like the neck getting chopped in 30 days of night. It's one of those that I rewind and watch the face crack and open time and time again. Rewind, rewind. So good. I love it. I love it, I love it. [01:08:09] Speaker B: Did you not see 10 Cloverfield Lane? [01:08:12] Speaker A: I did. Is that the woman? John Goodman? [01:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:16] Speaker A: Yes, I certainly did. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah. That's a real good one. That's Mary Elizabeth Winstead. [01:08:20] Speaker A: Of course it is. Yes. [01:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's not that she's never done good movies. It's just most of the time. [01:08:27] Speaker A: So what shite does she do? [01:08:27] Speaker B: Think she's the only redeemable characteristic forgettable shit. Like, I don't. It's stuff you watch and then you're like, that was not worth my time. [01:08:37] Speaker A: Because either I've forgotten it or I've not seen it. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Or you've not seen things. Yeah, she's in a lot of shit. And I know, like, Brienne loves Mary Elizabeth Winstead. You know, known many people who watch all of her movies and they're pretty much like, this is. It's just a labor of love. It's not worth your time. [01:08:56] Speaker A: Well. But anyway, Brianne and I have this in common. I think she's great. [01:08:59] Speaker B: Yeah, she is great. I am not arguing with as is. I think it's. Yeah, as is Brianne. I just think it's so funny that she's one of those few people who can kind of overcome the fact that she's like, not really in great stuff, but you're still on her team. She's doing something very right. [01:09:17] Speaker A: Yes, I completely agree and love Death and Robots is excellent and worth a look if you've not checked it out. What else have we watched? Corrigan. [01:09:25] Speaker B: Well, Mark, I have a new current favorite movie. [01:09:32] Speaker A: All right. [01:09:32] Speaker B: That it's important that you know about. This week I dug into The David Byrne 1986 True Stories. Have you ever heard of this? [01:09:45] Speaker A: Heard of? Yes. Seen. [01:09:47] Speaker B: No, I had never heard of this. I think it's one of those things that I saw on someone else's letterboxd a couple weeks ago. And I was like, I'll add that. Why not? And then I was trying to figure out what I was gonna watch, and I was like, it's short. I'll turn it on. [01:10:03] Speaker A: Like David Byrne, Is it a documentary? Is it a concert movie? Is it something else? [01:10:07] Speaker B: Well, Marco, this movie I've described as if Joe Pera directed Waiting for Guffman on the set of Sesame Street. It is like kind of a documentary format about this town called Virgil, Texas. And your narrator of sorts is David Byrne, who is going in, he's meeting people and telling you about the things that are going on. However, it's obviously not a documentary. All of these people have sort of weird things about them. And your sort of main thread, this is a movie that doesn't have, like, a specific narrative per se, but your main thread that you're following is my boy John Goodman, who I love more than anything as he goes on his search for matrimony. [01:10:58] Speaker A: Okay. [01:10:59] Speaker B: He wants to marry a woman. And we are sort of following him as he tries to make that dream come true. It's full of quirky characters and just. It's the most autistic movie I've ever seen in my life. It's like being inside an autistic brain. Just the thought processes around things, the weird way of seeing the world. Just these little vignettes of interesting people. And it's really earnest. And so things that are very weird in this are presented in a way that's like, very charming. Even things like, there's like a whole conspiracy theorist segment of this. And it makes you realize that, like, QAnon types and things like that have always been exactly the same. Even before the Internet and all that kind of stuff, they were all exactly the same. But it presents it all in a way that is just look at the wonder of the world. Aren't people interesting? And it is a delight. I watched it two nights in a row. I immediately bought the Criterion Blu Ray with all the special features and the making of and all of that kind of stuff. Just had Kiyo plug in the Blu Ray downstairs so that I can watch it, and I'm very stoked on it. So true stories, my friends. You gotta watch it. It's. It's my new favorite. [01:12:20] Speaker A: Yeah. My brother has on plenty of occasions tried to shepherd me towards talking heads. I've yet to properly succumb. And I will, and I absolutely will, because, you know, all of the good people that I know, you know, are absolutely advocate for talking head. So I've got to get There, I've got to go there and you know. [01:12:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really like David Byrne. The way David Byrne sees the world is just really nice. You know, he's aware of the problems in it, you know, in our place. Like if you. I went to go see his American Utopia on Broadway and they had a whole segment that was, you know, a song, a say, say their name song where they were going through black people murdered by police, you know, and stuff like that. Like, he's not cut off from the troubles of the world at the same time, he just has this very curious and positive outlook on things and makes this like very earnest art. And like I think you said before, like you. Everything you've heard of them, you like I do. And yeah, like if you watch Stop Making Sense and things like that, it's just a bigger version of that. And True Stories is all of that distilled. The only movie he ever made and it's. I think he nails it. [01:13:50] Speaker A: I love that it landed so well with you. I love that it had such an impact on you. [01:13:54] Speaker B: It's nice to have like a new favorite like that, you know, be like, yes, this is what speaks to my soul. I've been waiting for this for sure. [01:14:01] Speaker A: It's like me in the substance. It's when. When, you know, when it, you know, oh, this fucking knows what I'm all about. Yeah. [01:14:10] Speaker B: Yes. It just hits just right. It is, yeah. Right in the heart. [01:14:15] Speaker A: Excellent. All right, cool. I will. I'm gonna talk about my old ass. Oh, right, yeah, yeah. Now this one seems to have landed bigger for a lot of people than it did for me. Right. And I'll tell you for why, because I've got. I've got opinions. The story's about a kind of a 17, 18 year old girl who takes mushrooms, connects physically and literally with a 40 year old version of herself. Right, right. And this 40 year old version of herself gives her kind of cryptic insights into how her life turns out, what to do, what not to do. And that is used as a kind of a. Kind of a jumping off point for her to realize, hey, you know, you're young but things. Things matter, you know, speak to your parents, speak to your siblings, enjoy this small fucking patch of land that you're from and don't be in such a rush to move on. You know, take some time, drink it in, because you're gonna miss it when it's gone. And it does. It tells that story and it, and it lands that message perfectly well. It's super competent. Aubrey Plaza. I will never not enjoy, if you know what I'm saying. Sure. And it's lovely. It's a lovely movie, but the only reason that it didn't get four fucking four and a half, five stars from me is because I know you're not telling. Well, yeah, you know you're not telling me anything new, lads. I know. I fucking get it. [01:15:54] Speaker B: Is the target audience, like teenagers? Who does it feel like the movie is for? [01:15:59] Speaker A: That's a cracking question. I mean, it skews young, the language used, the vernacular is what I guess teens talk like. It feels authentic, you know? So, yeah, I guess. I guess it is. It is aimed at getting the kids to kind of slow down and talk to your fucking parents. [01:16:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like 17 again. [01:16:26] Speaker A: Yeah, but look, it's a lovely, lovely film, but it didn't tell me. It didn't show me anything new. It didn't show me anything that I haven't seen before. [01:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, fair enough. Let's see. I. Ooh, another interesting movie. I'm not sure if you would like this one or not, but it. I watched the movie Targets, which I heard of when I went to that Boris Karloff documentary screening with his daughter, and apparently, like, this was the movie that he considered sort of the thing he was the most proud of in his life. And it's one of the last movies that he was ever in. It was from, like, 19, sometime in the 70s. And it's a really interesting movie. [01:17:17] Speaker A: Do you happen to know, off the top of your head, when he died? [01:17:20] Speaker B: It was like, within a year of this. So, like, I want to say like, 1978. No, 1974. Somewhere. 1976, maybe somewhere in that vicinity sometime in the 70s. [01:17:33] Speaker A: The Internet tells me he died in 69. [01:17:36] Speaker B: Was it 69? When was targets made? Google that. [01:17:41] Speaker A: Can I also say, incredibly, born 1887. [01:17:45] Speaker B: I know, isn't that crazy? The things that you would have seen between the 1887. [01:17:52] Speaker A: Completely. Targets was 68. So the 68. [01:17:56] Speaker B: Okay, so I was off. I had my decades mixed up. I was thinking it was 78, it was 68. But anyways, yeah, so this movie is about a, like, war vet who comes home and you're kind of seeing him try to assimilate back into life and his family, but he's clearly struggling with it. But he is. He's not necessarily giving that away. So he's always smiling, he's always kind of happy. He's got this consistent smile on his face throughout this whole movie. But underneath, something is boiling, which leads to him committing a mass shooting and just sort of going from place to place and just murdering as many people as he possibly can. [01:18:46] Speaker A: Well, Boris Karloff in his fucking 70s. [01:18:48] Speaker B: No, no, no, not Boris. No. The lead character. No, no, no. But. So Boris Karloff is essentially playing a version of himself. He's like this old actor, and he's kind of grappling with the fact that there isn't really a place for actors like him that played monsters, because there are different kinds of monsters now. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Beautiful. [01:19:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a. It's this incredible parallel that they've got running between him sort of reflecting upon his life and this war vet coming back and being so destroyed by the war that he does something truly horrific. Right. So. And it's presented in this very. It's interesting. So, like, once that shooting spree begins, it kind of just follows him. So there's not a lot of, like, soundtrack or anything like that. You're just. It's very gritty and real sounds. Watching a guy go from place to place committing murders. Yeah, it's really interesting. It's like. Yeah. So it makes for, like. It's not the most exciting watch, per se, because, like, there are parts of it where it's just like him getting from place to place or things like that, or waiting to get to take a shot or things like that. But, yeah, it's such fascinating filmmaking and obviously super relevant to today. [01:20:18] Speaker A: Something about me which you may not know all these years later. I really like Rambo. Right. Like, I really enjoy Rambo. I like First Blood. I love Rambo's 2 and 3, and then I love the fucking last two, whatever the fuck they are all about. Right. And you've just described First Blood also. [01:20:42] Speaker B: Oh, well, yeah. I mean, that's true. It is very much in the same kind of vein of that. And. And that's, like. It makes sense because a lot of movies were dealing with those themes at the time. Yeah, it's fascinating. Targets is a really interesting movie. I recommend it, but obviously it's very dark. It's, you know, watching a guy sort of detachedly commit murders throughout. This whole thing is, you know, jarring. [01:21:12] Speaker A: Listen. [01:21:12] Speaker B: But it's an interesting, interesting flavor. [01:21:14] Speaker A: I was sold on the David Byrne movie. Right. I'm proper sold on Targets. You've just described a movie Mark wants to see. [01:21:24] Speaker B: Good. Check them both out for me. I would love to hear your thoughts. [01:21:29] Speaker A: Downloading that. Got it. [01:21:35] Speaker B: You finally watched something in the past two weeks that it's very important. [01:21:41] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:41] Speaker B: That we hear about it. [01:21:42] Speaker A: Really Is took a trip to the video shop. Yeah. One of those. [01:21:48] Speaker B: Oh. We're talking about different things. [01:21:50] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Well, I'm gonna talk about Extro. Right, okay. [01:21:55] Speaker B: We'll talk about extra. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Look, as important a fucking movie to see as you could imagine. [01:22:00] Speaker B: Sure. Right. [01:22:02] Speaker A: One of those that I remember vividly from the aisles, you know, from the plastic. The plastic fucking covers the racks. The film on loan sticker. The. You know, the little plectrum that they would tuck into the top of the fucking case. The 18 certificate. Simon Bates at the start of the movie. This film may contain violence and some sexual swear words. X row, you've got a. You've got to look these up on YouTube. Right. Simon Bates. Oh. As fucking intrinsically bound with video shop dwellers like myself is the little kind of 30 seconds of Simon Bates at the start of a movie, describing the certification and describing what you can expect to see in the upcoming film. And always, always with 18 sexual swear words, you knew you were in for a good time. Anyway, extro. Early 80s, 1983. I want to say 84, maybe even 82 won straight out of the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think. I think I said this to you, but the best way I can possibly think of to describe this in Vibes is it's Hellraiser, but aliens. [01:23:25] Speaker B: Yes. [01:23:25] Speaker A: Is it not? Is it not? [01:23:27] Speaker B: It was like three quarters of the way through the movie, you said that. [01:23:30] Speaker A: And I was like, oh, yeah, it's Hellraiser. But aliens, British cast, I guess. You know, all. [01:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. I immediately asked you, like, what accent is that child doing in this movie? [01:23:46] Speaker A: British cast, British sensibilities. [01:23:49] Speaker B: Mm. [01:23:51] Speaker A: But the same Britain that you might have seen in Threads. It's that Britain, you know, it's kitchen sink Britain. It's Alan Bleasdale's kind of Britain. It is. There's nothing, you know, there's nothing glamorous or old England about this at all. It is gritty Britain. Gritton. [01:24:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And, yeah, it's like watching, you know, old New York movies. [01:24:14] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [01:24:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:15] Speaker A: Only this is like provincial fucking uk. And into that grainy, gritty, kind of British council estate kind of vibe comes really inventive alien action. I found it. I found it super inventive. Right. [01:24:36] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I agree. [01:24:39] Speaker A: Xro is a film of vision. It is a film of just super, super kind of creative in its body horror and its gore and its depiction. Right. Here it is. Extro goes outside of the horror and outside of the gore and tries to visualize and conceptualize how alien intelligence might Appear to beings completely unequipped to handle it. [01:25:13] Speaker B: Mm. Mm. [01:25:14] Speaker A: Does that make sense? Am I making sense? [01:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it absolutely. [01:25:19] Speaker A: It kind of tries to have a crack at how we might. We might interface with a hostile alien intelligence. It's surreal in parts. It is imaginary in parts. And it's way, way, way more going on in that movie than you might expect from, you know, something akin. You'd find it on the shelf next to fucking Kindred. You know what I mean? One of those. [01:25:50] Speaker B: Yeah. It has this, like. It's interesting because you could very much, like, take it as just like, schlocky, you know, video store fare or whatever. But even I think when you're looking at the storyline in this, which, you know, dealing with, like, a stranger coming into your home who was someone that you were familiar with, dealing with, like, relationship dynamics of, you know, abandonment and of, you know, bringing a new family member in and all this kind of stuff, like, it's dealing with a whole bunch of, like, really heavy family drama. [01:26:27] Speaker A: Yes. [01:26:29] Speaker B: On top of this, that it feels like the alien storyline, even in it being so surreal. [01:26:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:35] Speaker B: Is. Is saying something about, like, this form of, like, dysfunction and chaos and family. [01:26:42] Speaker A: Disruption even before the aliens show up, more interesting than xenophobia? You've got, like you said, you've got this uncomfortable family dynamic. You've got exclusion, you've got abuse. And then into that, you've got also then income. The aliens. And it's really fucking. The gore is great. The creature is fantastic. [01:27:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. [01:27:04] Speaker A: It's grim. It kind of. There are some bits that kind of make you kind of, you know, make your lunch, kind of make another appearance. It's just so fun. It's. It's. [01:27:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:15] Speaker A: If you were to distill what I loved about that period of movie making where if you fucking look for them, there are real gems on the shelf. You know, if you can sift through ghoulies too. And it's ilk. They're a real, real, real gems. And Extra really is one of those. It's a really surprising, really rewarding movie. I think Anna Martin would get a lot out of Extro. If it's one she hasn't seen yet. Big recommend. [01:27:41] Speaker B: I would feel like Anna probably has certain. She would have done. [01:27:44] Speaker A: Yes. [01:27:44] Speaker B: Yeah. If not. Yeah. Extra. And Extra is Xtro. Obviously, this is in our description, but in case you're wondering what we're saying. Extra. [01:27:53] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. What are you talking about? [01:27:56] Speaker B: The thing that I was talking about is that you have finally revisited the final episode in the Scream franchise so far that you and I have been fighting about for the past two years since it hit theaters. And it is time to find out the reappraisal. Having watched this with your son. And as we've mentioned, we will have Pete probably as a co. Father. Yeah. [01:28:23] Speaker A: He'll be on Before Christmas, but we. [01:28:24] Speaker B: Will have him talk about it. [01:28:25] Speaker A: Yes, yes, he's looking forward to that. [01:28:27] Speaker B: But I want to know how it was for you after finally contextualizing it with all five other movies proceeding. How do we do here? How does Scream 6 hold up? [01:28:37] Speaker A: I'm not going to wear sackcloth and ashes on this again. Right. And I'm not going to be. There's only. So how long do I need to be punished and walk through the streets, repent of your going to do this again? But I was wrong. Right? There it is. Are you happy? [01:28:55] Speaker B: Sure. Hey, you know that I don't sit here and revel in you being wrong. I just feel relief. [01:29:01] Speaker A: Oh, I see. Okay. [01:29:03] Speaker B: That's all. I don't want you to be wrong about things. I just feel relieved that we don't have to argue about this anymore. [01:29:11] Speaker A: Yep, yep, yep, yep. Look, the thing that I had such a hard time getting over in Scream 6, the shrine to itself, I still find that obnoxious. I still don't really enjoy that. It. It. Let's see. Unlike Scream 3. No. Is that the bad one? Scream 3 is the one. That's not great, is it? That's the column. [01:29:32] Speaker B: I mean, I don't think it's bad. [01:29:34] Speaker A: But Scream 4 is the one where it opens with Stab in a Stab in a Stab in a Stab. Right. That I fucking loved. I loved. And the shrine in Scream 6 feels like an attempt to do that, to push the fucking format. And that didn't. It didn't work for me. It didn't feel. It didn't feel like it made sense in universe. Nobody's getting away with that. For fuck's sake. Really? [01:30:01] Speaker B: You said your son loved that. [01:30:02] Speaker A: Oh, he did. [01:30:03] Speaker B: The shrine. He did. [01:30:05] Speaker A: He did. He turned to me when they found the shrine, when they turn on the lights and you're in this warehouse and it's the Scream Museum. The Stab Museum. He literally turned to me and, dad, I like this. So you know, like. [01:30:17] Speaker B: God damn it. [01:30:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. But I don't know if I've said. [01:30:20] Speaker B: This on the cast before. That still doesn't hold up. [01:30:22] Speaker A: But Pete. Pete is very good at movies. [01:30:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:28] Speaker A: This is something I'm noticing more and more. The more movies I watch with him, he. He picks up on shit I miss. He picks up on subtext. He picks up on plot threads that are, like, underwritten. He's really fucking. [01:30:40] Speaker B: This is like the fruits of what you've been doing. Because, like, you know, we've discussed, like, the idea of introducing kids to stuff, you know, when it's appropriate to and how you do that. And always the kind of thing that we come back to is like, whatever you introduce them to, you have to have a dialogue about it, right? Like, you have to talk about it and not just set them in front of it and be like, have fun. And now you're seeing the result of having raised your kid with media literacy. Talking through things with him. He's like, super observant when he's watching these things. [01:31:14] Speaker A: That's the word, observant. He's really good at finding nuance and stuff and enjoying it, seeing it kind of play out and yeah, that came to bear in Scream. He's really fucking good at it. What I love, and I use the word intentionally, I love how the Scream series doesn't just reflect in on itself as a genre. It also reflects the kind of movie landscape at the time. The last two, dial up the fucking gruesome and the brutality of the kills in a way that you really couldn't do outside of the 2020s. Not in a mainstream fucking movie anyway. And I wonder. I wonder if another Scream, which is inevitable. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Well, there's one coming out soon. Remember the whole. [01:32:05] Speaker A: I know that they were fucking, you know, actors showing their ass on social media and whatnot. That. [01:32:12] Speaker B: No, that's not what happened. [01:32:13] Speaker A: Is it not? [01:32:14] Speaker B: No, they fired her for posting about Palestine. [01:32:17] Speaker A: Oh, Christ. Okay. [01:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah, not great. [01:32:22] Speaker A: That's not at all great. [01:32:23] Speaker B: Not great. [01:32:24] Speaker A: I wonder. I wonder if another Scream will put it like this. If I were behind the fucking keyboard writing a new screen, I would have to acknowledge the extremity of some areas of the horror landscape now. Your terrifiers, you know, your substance. Yeah, I would. I would have to make a thematic thread there about. Fuck. You can't just get away with killings anymore. Now you've really got to amp up the gore. I think that's where it should go next. [01:33:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's interesting. We'll see when you steal it and I watch it because I'm not going to support this in the theater. [01:33:10] Speaker A: That just became a stealer. [01:33:12] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. The only time, you know it's pretty bad. You take my favorite franchise and I'm not gonna pay to see it. But pay make better choices. [01:33:22] Speaker A: Spyglass pretty bad when you take my favorite drink and make me never want to drink it again. [01:33:28] Speaker B: We're both suffering right now from the losses of our favorite things. [01:33:33] Speaker A: No, it's not all about us. [01:33:36] Speaker B: No, it's not. But, like, it's kind of. [01:33:39] Speaker A: But this is our podcast. [01:33:41] Speaker B: This is our podcast. The one other thing that I wanted to mention because it. Well, actually two things. One, being the boat corps enthusiast that I am, there was a documentary on the Endurance on National Geographic, the famous sunken ship in the Antarctic, the Shackleton expedition, where they actually managed to rescue everybody. They got out of it alive, which is insanity. And so it's become like a, you know, kind of a story of courage and all this in the time since then. So it was like, yes, this is extremely my shit. It's directed by Jimmy Chin, who directed Free Solo, which I love. And so they. [01:34:28] Speaker A: Is he not like, what, you know, a Scorsese era fucking bit part character cameo? Yeah, Jimmy two times. And fucking Jimmy Chin, who was called dad on account of his big fucking chin. [01:34:42] Speaker B: He's Asian. It is not a disgrace. [01:34:45] Speaker A: Roll that right back. Sorry. Sorry, Tool. [01:34:50] Speaker B: But it does sound like it, now that you mention it. But no. So, yeah, they created this documentary that uses, like a ton of footage that was actually captured at the time and does this thing where it has all this voiceover from the guys who were there. And I was like, watching this, like, wow, this is so amazing that they were able to, like. Right. Like, where did they find all of this? How do you think they. [01:35:17] Speaker A: Oh, don't say it. Yeah, they. [01:35:21] Speaker B: The very end of the documentary says, this was done with AI. I was so upset. I was like, are you serious? I watched this whole thing. Like, you know, it's not even that great a documentary, doesn't have a whole lot new. But I was like, it's really cool that they were able to like, find all this old. These old recordings. They must have gone on shows and things like that. Like. No, they just recreate. [01:35:47] Speaker A: So there are no old recordings. [01:35:49] Speaker B: It's. I think, you know, there were older recordings that exist that they pulled their voices from. [01:35:54] Speaker A: I see. [01:35:55] Speaker B: And then they used them to do, like, their diary entries and things like that. I was like, just use. Just use an actor. You don't have to use AI for that. Like, I don't know, Shackleton. I'm not going to know the difference if you make that Topher Grace. Just. There's no reason to use AI for this. And so I was deeply disappointed when I got to the end of endurance and was informed that it had all been a lie. [01:36:24] Speaker A: Did I ever share with you what I still consider to be one of the funniest things I've ever, ever, ever seen in my life? Right, okay. Which is a short clip from a documentary from British tv. Might have been BBC, I don't know. Might have been. I don't know, whatever. And it's a voice and kind of elocution Drama coach. Right, okay. Coaching one of her students super briefly on how to make a noise. That would have been the. The same kind of voice that like a CRO Magnon or Neanderthal man might have made. [01:37:05] Speaker B: Yes, I do remember, punch your shoulders. [01:37:07] Speaker A: And push the chest forward. And now I want you to say 1, 2, 3. [01:37:12] Speaker B: 1, 2, 3. [01:37:14] Speaker A: And it's hilarious. It's so good. I'm. I'm gonna put that on our page. I'm gonna find. [01:37:21] Speaker B: Please do. [01:37:22] Speaker A: But you could have done that. You could have just got some drama school. Fucking knobheads. [01:37:26] Speaker B: Right, exactly. Someone is going to be very willing to recreate, like just finding someone who sounds like I could have fucking wanted to. [01:37:36] Speaker A: We've run out of oranges. Some of my men are beginning to show behavior that worries me for our future. No problem. No problem. Yeah. [01:37:49] Speaker B: There aren't that many male voices you can, you know, if there are men on the Internet who can perfectly imitate Matt Barry, you can imitate Shackleton, no problem. So I was very disappointed by that. [01:38:03] Speaker A: That leads me to a question, though. [01:38:06] Speaker B: Okay, so. [01:38:09] Speaker A: We'Ve well established and talked at length about. AI is not only ruinous for creative industries, ruinous for the planet, it is a corner that doesn't need to be cut, which is being cut anyway, and is just widespread headlong adoption in all walks of life, industries, creative or corporate, and is a. Is a big giant fuck, basically. Right. [01:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:44] Speaker A: Now, okay, I've seen of late quite a few. Oh, I've moved my mic a little bit. Let me just move that back there. I've seen lately numerous social accounts that use AI as a tool to generate surrealist kind of art pieces. 20 seconds or so of, like, humanoid characters or animals morphing physically through, like, various grotesque and extreme forms. Heads exploding. [01:39:20] Speaker B: You see that stuff on Instagram all the time. [01:39:22] Speaker A: Exactly. Is that a legitimate use of the tech? Does that. [01:39:29] Speaker B: Why would that be a legitimate use of the tech? It's doing all the same things as everything else, but it's recycling other people's art, you know, destroying the planet. Creating random bullshit. [01:39:42] Speaker A: Destroying the planet. Yes. [01:39:43] Speaker B: For clicks. [01:39:44] Speaker A: But if it's being used to create something which doesn't yet exist, I've not. [01:39:51] Speaker B: Seen from stuff that does. [01:39:53] Speaker A: Okay, fine. [01:39:54] Speaker B: Using the exact same pools of stuff. [01:39:56] Speaker A: Okay, okay. [01:39:57] Speaker B: Everything else you make. [01:39:58] Speaker A: Right. Question asked, question answered. I just wondered it's. If there's a place where the product that you're using it to generate is so surreal and not built off. Any recognizable model of anything that's been used, that's been generated before. [01:40:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that doesn't exist. And I think what's such a bummer about that too is that like before the AI, boom, you saw people making really interesting stuff like that. Like when you were on Instagram and things. There's so much digital art like, and, and stuff that people were creating with their minds and their digital skills, you know, using the tools that already existed to create really mind bending stuff. And then AI is just a way of shortcutting that entire project and just putting a prompt in, like, make this, this thing. But people were doing it before. It's, you know, it looks different because AI looks like AI, but it's not inventing anything. It's still pooling from the same thing. And it's just. Yeah, I find it's interesting to see how much that kind of stuff has taken over. Whether it's like in art or like I was saying on Pinterest when I was looking for like examples of like the haircut that I wanted, there's one model who is basically the model that if you search for like short natural black haircuts, you will always find her. She's like a mixed gal. Freckles, like, you know, big pouty lips, beautiful. Who always has these short haircuts. And Pinterest now is super full of AI and all of the AI now when you look at, if you look up short, black natural haircuts, it's AI that are all various versions of her. So now you're seeing these like distortions that have like her freckles or like her eyes. [01:41:57] Speaker A: I think I even know who. [01:41:58] Speaker B: You can tell you probably. Yeah, you've probably seen her before and it's wild to watch that. It's like it is all trained off of one woman because that's like the source of this. And so it's very obvious like where it's pulling from. But I noticed. [01:42:15] Speaker A: Does she have recourse then? Does she have. [01:42:18] Speaker B: Probably not. It's like her face is out there. You know, they can train it off of whatever is available on the Internet. So yeah, it's Very bizarre. And yeah, I think that would be very weird if you were her to like, search. [01:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:35] Speaker B: And see like weird bastardizations of your own face. [01:42:39] Speaker A: Way back. Back. Gotta be like in year. Year one or two of Jo Ag. Right. [01:42:46] Speaker B: Mm. [01:42:46] Speaker A: When I had a bee in my bonnet about deep fakes. [01:42:51] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [01:42:52] Speaker A: Fucking hell. [01:42:53] Speaker B: Seems quaint now, doesn't it? [01:42:55] Speaker A: Doesn't it though? And I vividly. I vividly remember the time saying, all right, look, you can tell a deep fake video from a mile away. It's a recent technology. Just a little bit of Scrooge. I mean, it's not gonna catch anyone out. But what happens a fucking year or two down the line when you will click on a link and you see yourself doing shit. [01:43:17] Speaker B: Right. [01:43:17] Speaker A: Never done saying words you've never said. And what the has happened? Oh, well, we're there. [01:43:26] Speaker B: We are already there. And yeah, it's wild to see. Oh, we're going out. Going out with another horrifying thought here on Joe Ag. Oh. Although even though that is sort of a closing thought there, I did say I had two things to say. And I know that there is someone who is sitting there going, what's the second thing? The other thing that I was going to bring up was that I just watched. There's a channel called Oxygen True Crime and they have a series that they just put out on the lady of the Dunes. [01:44:09] Speaker A: Yay. [01:44:10] Speaker B: Heard from George. Yeah. Which. From Jaws. Yeah. Which they solved like a year ago, finally. And as with all of these docu series, it of course doesn't need to be three, four episodes, whatever it is. Yeah. You know, they could have gotten this out of way much shorter. But it is really interesting. There's a lot of, like, footage and pictures and stuff like that that I'd never seen before. Like, if you're looking up lady of the Dunes on the Internet, you pretty much see like the same photo or two photos from the scene. There's a lot more that you see in this. But the man. So it turned out to be this woman's husband who killed her. And the guy was basically a serial wife killer, which is crazy. And so when you watch this documentary, you're. It's. It's fascinating to see. Just like this guy, over the course of his lifetime, just got. Got. Got away with killing, like multiple wives and like one of his stepdaughters as well. Never saw justice for this. Obviously. He was dead by the time they figured this out last year. [01:45:25] Speaker A: Worst man. I hate that. [01:45:26] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Yeah, it's the absolute worst. I Just, you know, hopefully he was miserable all the time and, you know. [01:45:34] Speaker A: We'Ve got another one of those playing out in the UK now. Has the Harrods thing reached you? [01:45:42] Speaker B: I don't think so, no. [01:45:43] Speaker A: So are you aware of Harrods? [01:45:45] Speaker B: The stores? [01:45:46] Speaker A: Yeah, the kind of upmarket department store for people with more money than they've got. Sense and dignity. Right. So it turns out the ex boss of Harrod's, guy by the name of Mohammed Al Fayed, Son. His son was Dodi Al Fayed Paramorov. Yes, exactly, Diana. Well, turns out he was a sexual predator on the fucking Savile scale. [01:46:19] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:46:19] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. [01:46:20] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. [01:46:22] Speaker A: Physically, sexually, verbally, coercively controlling and abusing over many, many, many years, girls in his employ, you know, getting, like, spurious gynecological examinations on girls in his employ, you know, allegedly with his brother and other kind of, you know, people in power at Harrods. Just this machine. [01:46:50] Speaker B: It can never be just one guy. Of course, it's a neighbor. [01:46:53] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Mm. And has been dead for, God, gotta be five, six, seven years. Never saw a fucking charge. Never will. Dead as fuck. [01:47:02] Speaker B: And it's completely intentional. Everyone. Everyone covered that up until too late to do anything about it. [01:47:10] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [01:47:12] Speaker B: Like, see, that's even worse because he got to be, like, rich and. [01:47:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:47:17] Speaker B: You know, successful and all that kind of stuff, too. [01:47:19] Speaker A: His public face not like that. Affable, almost, kind of. Almost this kind of doddery, kind of likable, fun grandfathery kind of figure, you know, big kind of benefactor to charity. [01:47:36] Speaker B: Mm. You know, that's how you cover this shit. Look like unimpeachably good guys. So that when other. When someone says something, everyone goes, he wouldn't do that. [01:47:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:47:47] Speaker B: And, yeah, look at all the good he does. [01:47:49] Speaker A: And, you know, the S word has been mentioned several times as. As the scale of his country becomes, you know, more and more visible. I, I, I, I hate it when monsters go to their grave. [01:48:05] Speaker B: Just get away with it. [01:48:06] Speaker A: Hate it. I absolutely hate it. [01:48:08] Speaker B: Yeah, especially when they were thriving beforehand. Like, either of those men were just, oh, you want to believe there's justice in the world? And yet some people get to be happy, as happy as a clam, while abusing others. [01:48:24] Speaker A: Yes. Death is often a savior for fucking people like that. [01:48:31] Speaker B: Indeed. Man, we managed to make it even more depressing than the I. [01:48:38] Speaker A: That's what we do. That's what we do. [01:48:40] Speaker B: We are on brand this week. We are rambling. We are talking about pubes. We are Ending on depressing notes. It's just. It's just classic Joette. [01:48:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's what. It's what you've come to love. [01:48:56] Speaker B: So what you. What's you're here for? A little bit of oversharing. [01:48:59] Speaker A: And if this is your first episode. [01:49:02] Speaker B: Oh, God. Hey, they're probably not still here. [01:49:06] Speaker A: If this is your first episode, it's probably your last episode. [01:49:12] Speaker B: So. Hello. Cough came out of nowhere. Our darling listeners, we love you so much. And we hope that you're having a great little holiday if you're here in the United States and that you're ready to power through your work week feeling refreshed. And for everyone who is not here in the United States, you're just chug, chugging along, maybe playing those Christmas carols now. Putting up the Christmas trees, walking around our neighborhood. Last night it was so nice. I'm a Looky Lou mark. I love looking in windows. It is my favorite thing in the world. It is why I walk my dog at 7:30 every day so that I have to see what everyone's watching on tv. All of that stuff. [01:49:56] Speaker A: I don't. I don't hate. I'm not saying I hate looking at other people's windows, but if I'm in the kitchen, I'm doing the dishes or whatever and somebody walks past and have everyone looks, I'm like, what, you want to fucking come in? [01:50:07] Speaker B: I mean, if I see like a person, like, there is a guy who I happen to like, always catch when he is at his kitchen sink and I try to, like, look away as quickly as possible. I don't actually want to see, like, the people. I just want to see, like, what are you. What's your entertainment? What is. What do you got going on this evening? I found the other day we walked by a house and they were watching. Would I lie to you? [01:50:29] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [01:50:29] Speaker B: I was like, are these. Are they British? Are they Anglophiles? How do they know? What do they. How do they know about this show? And so now I have to see if maybe we can be friends. But where was I going with this? Oh, everybody's got like Christmas trees and things up now. It's like Thanksgiving is over. Everyone went and put stuff up. I heard. I heard some banging around in the attic. I feel like Kiyomi be putting things up. [01:50:56] Speaker A: You're gonna go downstairs to a Christmas spectacular? [01:51:02] Speaker B: Yeah, either that or just like boxes of like, stuff that's exploded all over the living room. But either way I'm excited. [01:51:08] Speaker A: And either are equally possible in your house. [01:51:10] Speaker B: Yes, right. Who knows? We'll see what happens. But friends, I hope your decor is going up or whatever you do with the month of December. Let's. [01:51:21] Speaker A: Let's get after it and stay spooky. [01:51:24] Speaker B: The spookiest.